Carlo Ancelotti

Originally Posted by mzk57

-Destroying Gila's career

I totally disagree with this statement: Gilardino has no guts to play on the San Siro stage. In few days time he will make 1 year anniversary not scoring in San Siro and Paloschi (17 y o) put his performances to shame. How is Carlo responsible for that ?

Originally Posted by Giovanni

I totally disagree with this statement: Gilardino has no guts to play on the San Siro stage. In few days time he will make 1 year anniversary not scoring in San Siro and Paloschi (17 y o) put his performances to shame. How is Carlo responsible for that ?

I disagree also... that thing would make any coach look bad...

Rumor has it that Ancelotti may be shown the door this summer because of Shevchenko. After Carlo's recent comments about saying how Sheva is a traitor and would not fit in our tactics anymore, which makes no sense at all seeing as how he fitted here for 7 years and was the world's best striker, I am starting to remember the argument that took place between Carlo and Sheva at the end of last season here. Does anyone remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_aZvbaBObg
That's a clip of it

Right after that argument we saw Sheva drive to Berlusconi's house that night to tell him he was going to Chelsea.. There were alot of rumors of an argument that took place between Carlo/Sheva but they were quick to dismiss it...but now that I come to think of it, maybe Carlo was indeed the reason Sheva left? maybe not the main reason, but one of the reasons..

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Rumor has it that Ancelotti may be shown the door this summer because of Shevchenko. After Carlo's recent comments about saying how Sheva is a traitor and would not fit in our tactics anymore, which makes no sense at all seeing as how he fitted here for 7 years and was the world's best striker, I am starting to remember the argument that took place between Carlo and Sheva at the end of last season here. Does anyone remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_aZvbaBObg
That's a clip of it

Right after that argument we saw Sheva drive to Berlusconi's house that night to tell him he was going to Chelsea.. There were alot of rumors of an argument that took place between Carlo/Sheva but they were quick to dismiss it...but now that I come to think of it, maybe Carlo was indeed the reason Sheva left? maybe not the main reason, but one of the reasons..

Carlo said Shevchenko is a traitor because Sheva left thinking that this group of players was finished. They took their revenge in Athens, showing him we could win even without him.

Sheva IS A TRAITOR. Period.

I dont defend Carlo, I dislike him actually, very much. But Sheva is a traitor and if we bring him back we are pathetic.

I disagree completely with what mrki said, except the part about sheva is a traitor. Because he is, literally.

I don't see the basis of your dislike (unless personal) against Carlo Ancelotti.

Nor do I see why we are pathetic if we bring him back.

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Carlo shown the door because of his dispute with Shevchenko this summer? It's merely a rumor. The only place where I see Ancelotti moving is to the National team. I really think he is ready for WC2010 given that he has won 2CLs (big cups, like WC) and one serie A (not impressive but who else has more; surely not the cheating Merda coach?).

Anyway, mabe Ancelotti should go, but I wonder to what extent he is responsible for the failure we are facing.

If there is ALWAYS up and down in the team, then is it the coach's fault, or is it simply the cycle of a team like the cycle of a business?

Someone raised about Roma having to 'rebuild' and take like '2 / 3 years to do that'. Unfortunately, they have yet to develop to become a team that will win the CL, at least not this year. And if you are talking about Arsenal: how many years have they actually wait until this year (and now CL is also a question mark after Liverpool scored that critcial away goal today?)

Bottom line: Is it the coach, or is it a cycle?

surely not the coach Jeff

on the video.. it looks to be a normal arguement between 2 friends.. if they were 'fighting' then why they shook hands at the end ?

Ancelotti's position looks less stable than ever imo, as results simply aren't good enough. In addition, on tribal and calciomercato.com (can anyone provide a better source?), I read Berlu's most recent comments saying that we're apparently after a forward for next season that can fit Pato and Kaka and that he hopes that Carlo will still be on the bench.

If Carlo is made to leave because of the Sheva deal I'd be shocked, as he was right in his recent comments of Sheva.

I think it is simply a cycle ... we were one of the best teams, if not the best, since 2002-2003 until 2005-2006 (almost last year 2006-2007, in Serie A, if all the teams weren't punished, we already would have finished 5th if I remember, but we won CL so we were good anyway lol).

I can't remember any team in Europe in the near past being so strong for that number of years ?

And when you really look at the cycles, between 1999 and 2002, we can say it was Real Madrid that was one of the best team, etc etc ...

What is amazing is we had 2 winning cycles in 15 years: start of 1990's, and the last few years ... so even if we don't win anything for the next 2-3 years (anyway it would be long lol), don't you think, all of you, we will be again the best then ? I do ...

Milan is still the best team until the CL Final and the CWC :d, so lets enjoy it as much as we can hehe :P

Originally Posted by Giovanni

I totally disagree with this statement: Gilardino has no guts to play on the San Siro stage. In few days time he will make 1 year anniversary not scoring in San Siro and Paloschi (17 y o) put his performances to shame. How is Carlo responsible for that ?

I think one of the reason why Vieiri & Inzaghi etc were dropped from the NT was Alberto Gilardino, so no questions about his talent. As for his poor form, well do you really think Gila would be the same if AC Milan plays with a genuine 4 -4- 2 (diamond midfield)? In his first season he scored 17 league goals because he played in that formation. Some strikers can play alone upfront & some can't can't & Gila needs some one like Pato to play along side him. Let them play for 10 matches continuously & they would make a perfect partnership. I don't expect Gila to score 20 goals in a 4-3-2-1 formation, its just like expecting Pirlo to do his magic without the help of Gattuso

Dude, we must be watching a totally different team. It's been like forever since the last time we play 4-4-2. Gila can play as a lone striker. In fact he caught many attention while palying the target man at Parma. Anyway, I'll stop here since this thread is about Carletto.

About his recent comment, I have nothing to disagree with. I believe he will still be our coach next year. Let's hope that the board sign the players that he wants

Ancelotti is not to blame for any of what is going on as far as I'm concerned. If we get rid of him, we'd be stupid. Wenger is just about to (more than likely) go a 3rd straight season without a trophy - will he be sacked? No.

Alex Ferguson ended the season without a trophy in 2005. Was he sacked? No. What has happened to Utd since that season? They have won a trophy every bloody year. Carling Cup 2006, Premiership 2007 (unlucky not to win the FA Cup too), a possible Premiership/CL double in 2008. This run of trophies has coincided with the backing of the board after 2005, and the subsequent rebuilding of the team.

This is what must happen with Milan. Ancelotti must stay. He then must be given funds to buy the players HE wants, not the players Berlusconi or Galliani want to see - in other words no Shevchenko. I'm fairly sure Carletto knows the squad needs young players preferably under the age of 25.

Bad example comparing us to Arsenal and Man Utd. They are both teams who have had their coaches for a long time. Milan is a team that has traditionally had cycles, no matter how good they were - they have to come to an end. Also Arsenal and Man Utd have never achieved in their history what Carlo has achieved in 5 years - 3 UCL finals. Milan is a team in need of immediate success, they cannot afford to go through a rebuilding phase. The rebuilding phase was supposed to happen this year, or even last year but instead Galliani forced us to finish the campaign with a very mediocre squad. If any heads need to be chopped, it is Galliani's.

I am a huge fan of Carlo but I think it is time for someone new, admittedly we will never find anyone as good as Carlo again but a change has to happen. The team needs a major shake, they need to awaken. I believe there is no better way to do that than to bring in a new coach..

nope, i believe Carlo has to stay until after WC 2010

and then we bring someone new...

new coach + new players = total Chaos