Summer Mercato 2010

This reminds me of the same situation when Ibrahimovic was about to leave Juventus. Most people here didn't want him because he was coming from a bad season. Then he went to Inter and won them a few titles. All of a sudden he was god again.

People, you win the Serie A against Lecce and Catania. Not against Inter and Roma. It's a fact. And Ibrahimovic BEATS this teams on his own at times. Yes he does disappear in big CL games sometimes but that's why we have another 10 players to make that up. Players that live for these kind of games. (like Seedorf)

What I am trying to say is that I simply can't believe that we have a chance to sign one of the best strikers in the world for the past 6-7 years (and presently as well) and people are complaining claiming someone else (Dzeko). Yes, Dzeko would be nice. Younger, ready to explode on the world stage for a big club, Milan fan.....etc, etc, etc. But be real. We won't spend 35-40mil on him and Wolfsburg won't sell him for less. So forget about him. Here you have a chance to sign one of the great strikers in the world (who by the way IMO is a better player then Dzeko RIGHT NOW) and yet you want something else and aren't happy. Guess fans are never happy.

Originally Posted by mrki

Milan is a strange club where finances are a metaphisical issue... to speak that way, kidding a bit.

We have as much money as Silvio says, that is it. We have no money to pay Bochetti but we have to pay Ibra. We have no money to pay normal fullback, we have money to pay new cpntract to useless Gattuso etc.

Not selling Rino was a big mistake by Galliani, another one. Juve loaned Aquilani and only pay his wages. 26 year old all round midfielder, aldough injury prone, for a loan deal its a very good move. We could have done that from money for Rino+his wages. Too bad.

Now the important think is that somehow we sell Marek and Kala and Milan will free some budget money from their absurd wages. Also Milan will sell Hunt or Borri, hopefully Huntelaar. MAybe one more CB/BL like Bochetti can be installed into roster then, maybe...

Bochetti and Ibra and I will say "great mercato this year", considering we "have no money", again.

VdV refused Wolfsburg, saying that is not on his level.

Also, seems like Allegri doesnt count on Onyewu, so maybe Milan can loan him ,swap or something... Allegri wants one more defender coz there are only NEsta, Thiago, Sokratis and Yepes. Bonera is horrible and that is it.

GK: Abbiatti, Amelia
Defence: Zambrotta, Antonini, Bochetti, Abate(?), Nesta, Thiago, Sokratis, Yepes, Bonera, Oddo.
Midfield: Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf ( laughing when writing this for 6,7 year in a row! ), Flamini, Merkel, Strasser, Boateng.
Forwards: Ronaldinho, Pato, Ibrahimovic, Borriello, Verdi,
Inzaghi.

I consider this to be a VERy different team then last year. Doesnt look much, except for maybe Ibra, but if we manage to insert Bochetti I'd be pleased.

I do not count we can win CL, as we have no needed defence for that. But we can win scudetto if injuries do not destroy Nesta and Pato.

If VdV joins somehow, that would be a miracle.

I never understood, I don't understand and will surely never understand why Aquilani is so highly rated by other people ?

I don't know, is it just because he's Italian ? Is it because the guy just signed for one of our rivals (so, some kind of jealousy because they signed someone) ?

He's never been great, at best, he was good, but never exploded, and all these injuries, this guy is no more a football player, he hasn't played for more than 3 months in a row since years !! And he is already 26, the guy's always been labelled like a "future great Italian midfielder", but the fact is that if he had to be this great Italian midfielder, it would be now, not in 3-4 years, just right now, at 26, he should already be great.

IMO, Aquilani can't be a player we should sign for 2 main reasons:
- doesn't have the required level to play in Milan (it's my opinion about him)
- very very very very ... very very very very injury prone

Having Aquilani in the team is like having a ghost in the team.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I never understood, I don't understand and will surely never understand why Aquilani is so highly rated by other people ?

I don't know, is it just because he's Italian ? Is it because the guy just signed for one of our rivals (so, some kind of jealousy because they signed someone) ?

He's never been great, at best, he was good, but never exploded, and all these injuries, this guy is no more a football player, he hasn't played for more than 3 months in a row since years !! And he is already 26, the guy's always been labelled like a "future great Italian midfielder", but the fact is that if he had to be this great Italian midfielder, it would be now, not in 3-4 years, just right now, at 26, he should already be great.

IMO, Aquilani can't be a player we should sign for 2 main reasons:
- doesn't have the required level to play in Milan (it's my opinion about him)
- very very very very ... very very very very injury prone

Having Aquilani in the team is like having a ghost in the team.

Aquilani had 2 great seasons with Roma, only injuries stopped him. Going to Liverpool that was falling appart was a horrible choice.

Only thing I agree with you is that he is very, very.... injury prone. Considering quality, right now ts better to have him then Gattuso. Maybe Rino will show Im wrong, I hope so.

Originally Posted by mrki

.... Maybe Rino will show Im wrong, I hope so.

good one!

I see nothing about Dzeko now ....so I would bit your hand off for Ibra.

yeah everybody knows Aquilani has legs made out of cotton candy, but then again if we did sign him it would be another excuse for people to slag off the Milan lab again now Kaka has gone.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

yeah everybody knows Aquilani has legs made out of cotton candy, but then again if we did sign him it would be another excuse for people to slag off the Milan lab again now Kaka has gone.

Milan Lab has always been about prediction not strictly prevention or therapy. Example: Maldini should not play more than 1 game per week because he increases his chances of injury.
The reason some of us, me included, made fun of it in the past is because how much management kept bragging about it. For a while they treated it the same way they keep saying this current squad is full of champions.

i know that Reza, i was kinda making the hint that some people are never happy unless they have something to complain about, on a slight off topic but still relating to what i stated originally, there are football clubs going out of business in England, peoples familys traditions going down the drain because of the money been sucked out of the game and all we can seem to do is complain we wont spend 40 million to buy 3 players, i speak as somebody who follows my local football team as well where £750,000 is a massive transfer fee for us, i find it hard to think like many on here who think €30 mil for Dzeko is not alot, i watch Milan and hurt like the rest of you do but it could be so much worse for us, we could be facing going out of existence and that would put everything into perspective for us, i'm not saying you should all agree with me far from it, this is coming from my heart and its my opinion just i think we should all just sit back and see what happens before passing judgement, Keving Prince-Boateng has not kicked a ball for us yet and hes useless and rubbish according to some, damn talk about giving the lad a chance, he is everything we asked for many seasons, young,fast,dynamic and a damn hard worker! like Dev said a few posts back galliani is normally smug and grinning like a moron but we have not seen him yet, surely this means he is doing something? lets just hold our horses and see what happens oh and Forza Milan.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

i know that Reza, i was kinda making the hint that some people are never happy unless they have something to complain about, on a slight off topic but still relating to what i stated originally, there are football clubs going out of business in England, peoples familys traditions going down the drain because of the money been sucked out of the game and all we can seem to do is complain we wont spend 40 million to buy 3 players, i speak as somebody who follows my local football team as well where £750,000 is a massive transfer fee for us, i find it hard to think like many on here who think €30 mil for Dzeko is not alot, i watch Milan and hurt like the rest of you do but it could be so much worse for us, we could be facing going out of existence and that would put everything into perspective for us, i'm not saying you should all agree with me far from it, this is coming from my heart and its my opinion just i think we should all just sit back and see what happens before passing judgement, Keving Prince-Boateng has not kicked a ball for us yet and hes useless and rubbish according to some, damn talk about giving the lad a chance, he is everything we asked for many seasons, young,fast,dynamic and a damn hard worker! like Dev said a few posts back galliani is normally smug and grinning like a moron but we have not seen him yet, surely this means he is doing something? lets just hold our horses and see what happens oh and Forza Milan.

Fair point , However the teams you are talking about do not make 250 - 300 million a year and have not won 7 CL.All clubs have their level and Milan's was as a top club where spending the money on Dzeko would be seen as an investment not 40 million ha ha ha no way.IF we had of spent say 40 on Dzeko and 8 on V.D.V 20 on Vd wiel and 7 on bochetti we would be alot better , and if we won the CL with the super cup and global image the money would be made back in no time.

Yeah, I think we got our hopes somewhat high here

Like someone said - unless we use connections and can cut our a loan deal, we won't see any of Dzeko, Ibra, Robinho. No budget = No stars.

Originally Posted by mrki

We have no money to pay Bochetti but we have to pay Ibra. We have no money to pay normal fullback, we have money to pay new cpntract to useless Gattuso etc.

Well Rino is the only player who took a pay cut. So he is actually hurting the team a lot less than useless Kala, useless Janku, etc.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

i know that Reza, i was kinda making the hint that some people are never happy unless they have something to complain about, on a slight off topic but still relating to what i stated originally, there are football clubs going out of business in England, peoples familys traditions going down the drain because of the money been sucked out of the game and all we can seem to do is complain we wont spend 40 million to buy 3 players, i speak as somebody who follows my local football team as well where £750,000 is a massive transfer fee for us, i find it hard to think like many on here who think €30 mil for Dzeko is not alot, i watch Milan and hurt like the rest of you do but it could be so much worse for us, we could be facing going out of existence and that would put everything into perspective for us, i'm not saying you should all agree with me far from it, this is coming from my heart and its my opinion just i think we should all just sit back and see what happens before passing judgement, Keving Prince-Boateng has not kicked a ball for us yet and hes useless and rubbish according to some, damn talk about giving the lad a chance, he is everything we asked for many seasons, young,fast,dynamic and a damn hard worker! like Dev said a few posts back galliani is normally smug and grinning like a moron but we have not seen him yet, surely this means he is doing something? lets just hold our horses and see what happens oh and Forza Milan.

I completely agree with you. Transfer fees are getting out of control and it is putting a lot of clubs in danger of going out of business. Real Madrid and Manchester City are throwing money around like it's going out of style. Other clubs are trying to keep up with what they perceive as these clubs pulling away (even though they haven't actually won anything lately -- or City almost ever, actually) and they end up running up massive debts because they don't have a sugar daddy like Manchester City or a sweet government funding deal like Real Madrid. As fees for stars reach astronomical levels, the fees for the mid-level and lesser players rise as well and it all filters down so that smaller clubs find it harder and harder to exist. Even big clubs like Liverpool are moving closer to being in danger of bankruptcy as they can't both pay off debts and pay big transfer fees to add to their squad.

Honestly, as much as I'd love to have Dzeko because he's a terrific player and also Milanista at heart, 30 million is far more than he's worth. And this is the case with so many players, both proven stars and those with great potential (the fees being asked by the Brazilian clubs for their young stars are completely insane). So in a way I'm glad that Milan isn't jumping off a bridge with big sacks of money. I do, of course, wish they could find a happy medium and invest a little more than they are because this squad isn't far behind Inter and could win the Scudetto with a couple more strong reinforcements. But maybe in the long run this way will prove to be right. We'll see. Boateng has a chance to be an excellent addition and it was probably smart to work out this deal with Genoa and try him before buying. Milan should still have some budget left if they choose to use it. I think there are a few relative bargains out there to be had. I hope Milan can and will find a couple before the transfer window closes.

But I see what they're trying to do. I wrote a post last summer explaining what I though they were up to and that I believed over the next (then) two to three summers spending would be minimal and Milan would be satisfied to finish in the top four (preferably three) to stay in the Champions League with the financial reward that comes with that. Right now they're stocking up on younger players and preparing them to step in as the older players' contracts run out. If the Merkels and Strassers and Verdis pan out and become quality players to replace Gattuso, Kaladze, Janku, Pippo, etc., Milan will have the funds to bring in other established players to blend with them and with the young stars such as Pato and Silva. But it takes time to get the older players off the books because salaries are too high to move them easily. So this takes patience, but if Milan plays their cards right, that patience can be rewarded.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

i know that Reza, i was kinda making the hint that some people are never happy unless they have something to complain about, on a slight off topic but still relating to what i stated originally, there are football clubs going out of business in England, peoples familys traditions going down the drain because of the money been sucked out of the game and all we can seem to do is complain we wont spend 40 million to buy 3 players, i speak as somebody who follows my local football team as well where £750,000 is a massive transfer fee for us, i find it hard to think like many on here who think €30 mil for Dzeko is not alot, i watch Milan and hurt like the rest of you do but it could be so much worse for us, we could be facing going out of existence and that would put everything into perspective for us, i'm not saying you should all agree with me far from it, this is coming from my heart and its my opinion just i think we should all just sit back and see what happens before passing judgement, Keving Prince-Boateng has not kicked a ball for us yet and hes useless and rubbish according to some, damn talk about giving the lad a chance, he is everything we asked for many seasons, young,fast,dynamic and a damn hard worker! like Dev said a few posts back galliani is normally smug and grinning like a moron but we have not seen him yet, surely this means he is doing something? lets just hold our horses and see what happens oh and Forza Milan.

In case you didn't realize, £750,000 is a big transfer budget for Milan nowadays as well. We have spent a combine of, what, 1 million euros this summer in the mercato so far (minus the sales, I meant)?

As far as Boateng is concerned, I actually like this signing more than most people here. But I do have to say that people here have the right to complain about it. Clubs need to evaluate a player before signing him. If we deem him not good enough, then he shouldn't have been signed no matter what. And that is essentially the argument here. Most fans don't rate him as someone good enough for a team Milan's (former) caliber, so they don't think he should have been signed. Signing him here and hoping that he somehow miraculously become great is not the way to run a soccer team. Just because he hasn't played a single game in Milan jersey doesn't mean we should all believe he is the second coming of Pirlo.

Originally Posted by mrki

Ibra is 28.

Brasiliero my friend, I think Dzeko was Milan's first choice, but Milan hasnt got 35-40mln for him. This transfer will be made by Galliani-Raiola connection with some crazy loan deal most likely. Without the money this is the best CF we can get for sure.

And now when he is 28, its about time he wins CL

Im just saying that we all know where are better choices, but since obviousely Milan cannot pay for anyone, this player is more then good for us.

I got your point, my friend... and don't even think Dzeko is worth 30M. But I don't think also that Ibra will be cheap. I respect your opinion, but I really don't rate Ibra high as you and others members of MM. One of the most skilled CF I ever saw playing, no doubt, but a big choker, too. I don't trust him, but respect the ones that believe. The talent clearly is there...

Originally Posted by Rick

Honestly, as much as I'd love to have Dzeko because he's a terrific player and also Milanista at heart, 30 million is far more than he's worth. And this is the case with so many players, both proven stars and those with great potential (the fees being asked by the Brazilian clubs for their young stars are completely insane). So in a way I'm glad that Milan isn't jumping off a bridge with big sacks of money.

Rick, not every Brazilian club ask for a "insane" amount of money. Cruzeiro sold Ramires for 8M(euros), Inter bought Coutinho for 3M euros in 3x(1 million for year!!!) Corinthians was asking for 6M for Jucilei, Real paid 5M for Marcelo... All purchases, win-win business for European Clubs.

But the Neymar incident showed what I've been saying here for years... Some Brazilian clubs can't pay the same wages of Europe, but they aren't broke as before. They're organized and want to win titles, not be feeders of European clubs. São Paulo chose to keep Hernanes and sold for less than they could have some years ago(15m to Barça), but on the other hand, the team won 3 national titles with him as a leader. The buyout was 25millions and no one pay, great!!! Their fans were happy with the titles, the club is in a good(financial) situation and got 13 for him after that.

(Start of a little rant, not for you)
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Don't get me wrong, but this Eurocentrism(sp?) and arrogant way that European clubs look to Brazil will need to stop one day. The comments I'm reading in European newspapers(after Neymar chose to stay in Brazil) are amusing. They talk as if Neymar can't be developed here... what a arrogance!!! I was glad Neymar would play for Carlo and Chelsea, but now I want him(and Ganso) to stay here until 2014 WC... Let's see if they will not develop outside of Europe and play a huge role in Brazil NT.

How can Santos see EPL clubs paying a huge amount of money for above average players, and accept less than the buyout clause for one of the best prospect they ever form? Sorry, but THIS would be real insane. Barça also, pay that fee for a player like Chigrinsky(sp?) and Santos need to accept less for a Ganso or Neymar type of talent?? Just because they aren't playing in Europe?? I will not even throw James Milner name here because M. City is a crazy and desperate club... The press here said Chelsea's crew leave Brazil mad at the kid because they match the buyout(late in the day) and the kid say no. Swallow it, bunch of arrogant!!! To be fair, Santos don't want to sell Neymar or Ganso. They sold André and Wesley to keep the duo to compete(and win) Brasileirão and Libertadores.

Btw, Milan was prized when paid 30 million for a proven in Serie A Gilardino and was heavily criticized for to pay 22M for a unprovenneverplayedinEuropeKid in Pato, and look what happened... Great investment by Berlusconi(what I way he chose to thanks Leo for him, Kaka and T. Silva), paid 22 millions and when it sell him in the near future, will get at least the double...

I love to watch Champions League with Brazilians playing, but can't wait for the day our best players will stay here. With our economy growing, and European clubs with financial problems, maybe I will see the day I thought was too far away

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

I got your point, my friend... and don't even think Dzeko is worth 30M. But I don't think also that Ibra will be cheap. I respect your opinion, but I really don't rate Ibra high as you and others members of MM. One of the most skilled CF I ever saw playing, no doubt, but a big choker, too. I don't trust him, but respect the ones that believe. The talent clearly is there...


Rick, not every Brazilian club ask for a "insane" amount of money. Cruzeiro sold Ramires for 8M(euros), Inter bought Coutinho for 3M euros in 3x(1 million for year!!!) Corinthians was asking for 6M for Jucilei, Real paid 5M for Marcelo... All purchases, win-win business for European Clubs.

But the Neymar incident showed what I've been saying here for years... Some Brazilian clubs can't pay the same wages of Europe, but they aren't broke as before. They're organized and want to win titles, not be feeders of European clubs. São Paulo chose to keep Hernanes and sold for less than they could have some years ago(15m to Barça), but on the other hand, the team won 3 national titles with him as a leader. The buyout was 25millions and no one pay, great!!! Their fans were happy with the titles, the club is in a good(financial) situation and got 13 for him after that.

(Start of a little rant, not for you)
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Don't get me wrong, but this Eurocentrism(sp?) and arrogant way that European clubs look to Brazil will need to stop one day. The comments I'm reading in European newspapers(after Neymar chose to stay in Brazil) are amusing. They talk as if Neymar can't be developed here... what a arrogance!!! I was glad Neymar would play for Carlo and Chelsea, but now I want him(and Ganso) to stay here until 2014 WC... Let's see if they will not develop outside of Europe and play a huge role in Brazil NT.

How can Santos see EPL clubs paying a huge amount of money for above average players, and accept less than the buyout clause for one of the best prospect they ever form? Sorry, but THIS would be real insane. Barça also, pay that fee for a player like Chigrinsky(sp?) and Santos need to accept less for a Ganso or Neymar type of talent?? Just because they aren't playing in Europe?? I will not even throw James Milner name here because M. City is a crazy and desperate club... The press here said Chelsea's crew leave Brazil mad at the kid because they match the buyout(late in the day) and the kid say no. Swallow it, bunch of arrogant!!! To be fair, Santos don't want to sell Neymar or Ganso. They sold André and Wesley to keep the duo to compete(and win) Brasileirão and Libertadores.

Btw, Milan was prized when paid 30 million for a proven in Serie A Gilardino and was heavily criticized for to pay 22M for a unprovenneverplayedinEuropeKid in Pato, and look what happened... Great investment by Berlusconi(what I way he chose to thanks Leo for him, Kaka and T. Silva), paid 22 millions and when it sell him in the near future, will get at least the double...

I love to watch Champions League with Brazilians playing, but can't wait for the day our best players will stay here. With our economy growing, and European clubs with financial problems, maybe I will see the day I thought was too far away:1old1:

Good point, and I agree that Neymar/Ganso staying is a good thing for everyone really. Thiago Silva left early the first time and it didn't work out.

I'm not sure Gila was bought for 30, I seem to remember it was half that.

Edit: I checked, I was wrong. The 15 was how much we sold him to Fiorentina. We bought him for $24m. Also: "It was with AC Milan Gilardino became a YouTube viral sensation for his epic dive during a match. While playing a Champions League match against Scotland's Celtic FC of Feb. 20 2007 Gilardino had a breakaway on the Celtic net. After a poor touch and with no hope of scoring he flopped to the ground without any of the opposition touching him. Gilardino was given a yellow card and was openly mocked by the commentators. The video has been viewed over 2 million times."