AC Milan vs Juventus (game & post-game comments)

Originally Posted by Rando

Just out of curiosity, how many penalty kicks have been awarded against juve in serie A this season so far??

1 i think the first in over a year but it wa sthe last few mins versus leece and they were 5-2 up so it was a convient time to give a penalty

also:

SHEVCHENKO: 'There were fouls to disturb me'
5/10/2005
MILAN - Andriy Shevchenko was interviewed by Corriere della Sera about the Juve game: 'There were some dirty tackles. I don't want to put on a show and complain. I don't hold by doing this, I just say it because referees have to pay more attention. [Fabio] Cannavaro held me a few times but he was shrewd although I told referee Collina a few times he never answered me. It was clear they weren't going to be punished with a penalty. There was some fouls on me to dusturb me. I understood they were fouls to break up the game. They don't have to be serious fouls, just a little push is enough to put you off.'

Originally Posted by Rando

Just out of curiosity, how many penalty kicks have been awarded against juve in serie A this season so far??

One, against Lecce i.e. in a game Juve was already winning by a big result.
Yeah, it is a very CURIOUS fact, one that does warrant a "silenzio stampa"

MILAN - Andriy Shevchenko was interviewed by Corriere della Sera about the Juve game: 'There were some dirty tackles. I don't want to put on a show and complain. I don't hold by doing this, I just say it because referees have to pay more attention. [Fabio] Cannavaro held me a few times but he was shrewd although I told referee Collina a few times he never answered me. It was clear they weren't going to be punished with a penalty. There was some fouls on me to dusturb me. I understood they were fouls to break up the game. They don't have to be serious fouls, just a little push is enough to put you off.'

Well it remains to be seen if this happens only to be Cannavaro vs. Shevchenko or Rest-of-defender vs. Shevchenko.

But indeed this is a strong accusation. I"m not surprised. And Sheva put it well: They knew how to tackle without getting punished.

After reading more posts in this thread, I have the following thoughts:

Milan is a machine, and like anyother, works because of its many parts...and when a small cog stops working, then the whole machine starts to misfire, and eventually stops performing optimally.

This analogy seems perfect for describing Milan in the last couple of games. We need to "replace" those parts that arent working optimally, "repair" them, and put them back in after they have been "fixed".

It is obvious that Seedorf and Pirlo, and maybe even Sheva to some extent, are tired, if not physically (which seems to be the case) then mentally (which is harder to pick up, but a factor nevertheless), and while JDT is in not IMO the right "part" for the Milan machine...the other replacement parts, aka Crespo and Pippo, need to be given their chance to perform.

That said, we have suffered from the lack of use of some of our better "bench" players, such as Serghino and Rui Costa. What else does Rui have to do to prove to Carlo that he can replace Pirlo? How many crosses does Serghino have to send over to Sheva´s head to make Carlo realise that he has a player that needs to feature more?

We live and we learn...at least some of us do...

But to return to the ref situation and Juve...wow, one penalty...hmmm something is rotten in Turin...an it aint the fish....

Originally Posted by Milan4eva

Ancelotti tried the rotation system two seasons ago when we won the CL. The result, the second stringers lost almost every match they played even though they were still talented players. They lost the ones that didn't matter(we were through with two games to go in the Cl group stages), and the ones that did as well. It's not that the second stringers were poor by any means. We had Simic, Billy, Ambro, Tomasson, Rivaldo, Leonardo, Redondo and a whole host of others to choose from.

Good point. And remember that the bench players were the ones who got knocked out of Coppa Italia this season. Can we really blame Ancelotti for going with what he felt was his best team against Rubentus?

Well, IMO, he needs a better bench, and should sell/loan out those players who are simply just not good enough to cut it in a Milan jersey.......

nice analogy warro


i didn't get the opportunity to watch the whole game...only parts of it. therefore, i can't b*tch without knowing everything that went on during the game. i honestly believed that we were going to win this match, but i do realize that the players can't control everything that happens on the field (i.e calls!) i hope this match won't discourage our milan players, but modivate them to kick the ass' of the teams remaining. FORZA MILAN!

Originally Posted by Ruffian

This sounds suspiciously like Pulsar. Could he have changed teams again?

I think Pulsar has the dignity not to call Milan as "our Milan".

Originally Posted by dcvg

I agree with you two Jeff and Nadir, and it's just silly of Acmilanforeva to give up on the scudetto with 3 rounds remaining.
But still, we have to be a little conservative now. I think we need to put our priority with the Champions League, and give our most needed players a rest in the league matches. We can't afford to overstretch considering the physical condition of the players.

man u misunderstood me. all im saying is that its nearly impossible now. and if we need to focus on the CL. im saying that it wont be ez against udinese and if we put our best squads for all the games its a danger that we might not be fully fit against a liverpool side who is preparing for this game since they beat chelsea in the semis. its just that guys id rather have us take the CL then risk loosing both for that small chance of wining the scudetto. ok here is what to do. against lecce we fully focus and put our best squad. if juve wins tho that means it will be very hard as they have 2 games which are not as hard as our 2 games.

why is this thread even going on?????....that is the past....the present is we have 3 games remaining and all to play for ..plus the Cl final.....juve won , we lost the have their destiny in their hands..we don't...ok.....i think we got it all...move ON!!

Originally Posted by triniman

why is this thread even going on?????....that is the past....the present is we have 3 games remaining and all to play for ..plus the Cl final.....juve won , we lost the have their destiny in their hands..we don't...ok.....i think we got it all...move ON!!

exactly what I have been wondering.

We want to move on but the loss really hurts.

we have been the better team all season they r able to top us in the table because of many contraversial decesions. and it isn't like they have been playing a nice style of football they have played the most destructive football i have ever seen.

the scudetto is gone!!

I hope we r still able to win the champions league

Well lets see nadir, ou tell jeff and i to stop or we'll be banned then you bash me and call me an inter fan along with jeff saying the same thing. Thats real productive. I would like to stop with this name calling but fellas handle your own end of the stick and for the rest lets think about who we should get as a coach next season and who we should get as LM and RB, trust me we need it for next season

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

Well lets see nadir, ou tell jeff and i to stop or we'll be banned then you bash me and call me an inter fan along with jeff saying the same thing.

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

"Yes Jeff good job pimphead, your mom knows what this pimp's head is all about, believe that. And with this crying and whining going on, come on ppl its over, we dont deserve anything this year, lets be happy with what we get"

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

What did u expect him to do, its the biggest game for juve he wanted to intimidate the best he could and he was happy for the win. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and AC and just try and hope that they can atleast take it to penalties with Liverpool

And this is the answer to all of the quotes above, provided by you, obviously:

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

Thats real productive.

Originally Posted by triniman

why is this thread even going on?????....that is the past....the present is we have 3 games remaining and all to play for ..plus the Cl final.....juve won , we lost the have their destiny in their hands..we don't...ok.....i think we got it all...move ON!!

It's true that this game hurts. Obviously I (or we) have moved on, since my (our) mind is no longer on the game anymore.

But with now only 1 game per week, there is not much to talk about except for this thread and vs. Liverpool thread.

Oh wait, that's coz the next league game thread is missing.