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until Galliani says that we are out of the Emerson, proposed, move, I would still consider him as first choice ... and frankly would prefer Emerson over Makelele, mostly the age factor, and even Edmilson, no serie A experience, while Emrson has been a rock for both Juve and Roma and I am sure Milan will get him back to his best.

if we are in search of an experienced CM, I think Emerson is the best choice for us, although I would prefer that he is joined by a younger player, who would come in place of Brocchi, maybe on his way to Torino.

I like the idea of not doin biz with real but they could have been useful to us. firstly, i remember that they valued oliveira, who is stuck on our bench. Secondly, emerson would be perfect for us. i think oliveria for cassano+rights to emerson would have been a fantastic deal. Also, we cant do nothing about this kaka situation, its not them, its him. Be realistic, if ronaldinho told Berlusconi that he was willing to come, berlusconi would take the first plane to his house. Frankly, i see him walkin along the same path as sheva, and maybe as soon as next yr. we may have rights over his body, but his heart isnt for sale. anyway that piece of bizness with real could set up this situation for our attack and middlefield.
ronaldo( inzaghi, gila)------roni/etoo/henry(cassano)
kaka(seedorf)
emerson(gorky)-----------pirlo(rosina/ledesma)-------------gattuso(ambro, donati)

that would be a very deep team, and we could rely on the players in brackets to slaughter the weaker serie a sides.

Marca spara: "Per Kakà
pronti 80 milioni"
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Il quotidiano spagnolo pubblica a tutta pagina la mega offerta (la più alta della storia) che Calderon sarebbe pronto a proporre per l'asso del Milan, a cui andrebbero 12 miloni di euro all'anno. E il 100% dei diritti di immagine come non era riuscito a ottenere nemmeno Beckham

In risalto su Marca la super offerta del Real Madrid per Kakà.
MADRID, 16 giugno 2007 - Ormai è un'ossessione. E il quotidiano spagnolo Marca rincara la dose con la super offerta del Real Madrid strillata a tutta pagina. Sì, ormai per il presidente del Real Madrid, Ramon Calderon, Kakà è diventato un'ossessione, nonostante l'ennesimo stop di Adriano Galliani. Secondo Marca sarebbe pronta un'offerta da 80 milioni di euro, ovvero la maggiore somma mai pagata per un calciatore, per portare il rossonero a Madrid.
RECORD ASSOLUTO - Mijatovic e Baldini avrebbero già dato inizio all'offensiva finale, più una guerra giocata sui nervi, mettendo sul piatto la più grossa operazione economica del calcio mondiale. Il Real, inoltre, potrebbe sganciare a Kakà 12 milioni di euro netti l'anno, tre volte di più di quanto lo paga il Milan e più di quanto percepisce Cristiano Ronaldo. Non basta. Nella mega offerta, rientrerebbero pure il 100% dei diritti di immagine, cosa che non era riuscito a ottenere nemmeno David Beckham, oltre il 50% delle nuove entrate per i diritti di immagine relativi a marchi pubblicitari e merchandising con la nuova maglietta, generati dal contratto con il calciatore milanista.
BERLUSCONI E RONALDINHO -Marcaapprofondisce e scrive: l'unico ostacolo alla definizione dell'operazione potrebbe frapporlo il presidente rossonero Silvio Berlusconi se si impegna a tenere Kakà al Milan. Anche se, aggiunge il giornale, potrebbe accontentarsi di portare all'ombra della Madonnina Ronaldinho, "il suo sogno dorato", sottolinea il giornale. Secondo AS, invece, che riferisce fonti dell'emittente nazionale Antena 3, l'offerta sarà formalizzata la prossima settimana e non supererà i 50 milioni di euro, per un contratto di 5 anni a 10 milioni di euro per stagione
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So Real is ready to offer 80 mil and 12 mil for Kaka's year wage! huh... Lets just hope Berlusconi will not sell.

same rumour of yesterday with a little reshuffle as fresher bait for the readers - not much dif really than what emerged yesterday, I think, so don't see how Milan's statement "Kaka non si tocca" (don't touch Kaka) will change.

If it was any other club they would probably be tempted by such figures but not Milan, not for a 25 yo Kaka, who is thebest player out there and has a lot left in him.
Quite frankly, I don't think Milan would even consider selling him for even twice that amount - when it comes to Milan, there is a lot more than just doing good business involved with players like Kaka.

Im sure Milan doesnt want to sell, but does Kaka' want to leave - for 12 mil a year. Money makes people go mad, like Sheva did. How much does our golden boy earn in Milan now? DO you know?

Originally Posted by Leo

why move from us two seasons from now? Milan can afford raising his salary to match the best salaries from Italy and Spain. Real are not a threat, they can bugger off knowing they won't get him now

Kaka dreams of playing for Real Madrid from a little boy, just like many Brazilians. It's just a matter of time before he leaves. Let's just say I don't see Kaka's contract getting renewed any further past 2011. He likes Milan and all but both Kaka and our management know that he wants to go to Madrid sometime. Hopefully after 2011, but probably in 2009/2010.

in that article you posted abive it says - "real are willing to pay him 12 mil, clear (tax-free) per season, which is 3 times what he get at Milan" ... so, I guess he earns around 4 mil/season with us but I would expect that either this ir next season that sum will be raised a lot given that Kaka is no longer one of the best talents around but for many the best player out there.

At the bottom of that same artcle, it say that AS reports that Berlusconi is expected to make an offer for Dinho next week of about 50 mil for Barca and a 5 year contract for the player worth 10 mil/season (hence the 100 mil he said he was willing to invest in Dinho) ... so, I don't see Kaka getting 4 mil for much longer if Milan can afford and are willing to pay 10 mil/seaon to Dinho as I think keeping Kaka would be an even higher priority than getting Dinho

Originally Posted by Mystik

Kaka dreams of playing for Real Madrid from a little boy, just like many Brazilians. It's just a matter of time before he leaves. Let's just say I don't see Kaka's contract getting renewed any further past 2011. He likes Milan and all but both Kaka and our management know that he wants to go to Madrid sometime. Hopefully after 2011, but probably in 2009/2010.

wouldn't pay muvh attention on childhood dreams as a more realistic look on what Real is can change them very quickly ... and there is always the numerous exmples of Real treating it's players like merchandise - Beckham, Ronaldo, etc, etc. ... too many "unhappy" endings to not consider them really well ... and there is always the Sheva debacle to warm him at night when he thinks that leaving Milan would be for his own good and that "change is good"

I don't know, it's just something I feel in my bones. He'll probably tear up Spain too(although we said Sheva would tear up England and look what happened). I'll ask Tony how he dealt with the possibilty and eventual departure of Zizou from Juventus so I'll be able to deal with Kaka going some seasons from now.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

in that article you posted abive it says - "real are willing to pay him 12 mil, clear (tax-free) per season, which is 3 times what he get at Milan" ... so, I guess he earns around 4 mil/season with us but I would expect that either this ir next season that sum will be raised a lot given that Kaka is no longer one of the best talents around but for many the best player out there.

At the bottom of that same artcle, it say that AS reports that Berlusconi is expected to make an offer for Dinho next week of about 50 mil for Barca and a 5 year contract for the player worth 10 mil/season (hence the 100 mil he said he was willing to invest in Dinho) ... so, I don't see Kaka getting 4 mil for much longer if Milan can afford and are willing to pay 10 mil/seaon to Dinho as I think keeping Kaka would be an even higher priority than getting Dinho

Again that may be AS's estimation. Maybe Kaka earns more than that. However, I am pretty sure what he earns (or anyone in football IMO) isn't close to the Real Madrid offer (if it's true) cited above.

Originally Posted by Mystik

I don't know, it's just something I feel in my bones. He'll probably tear up Spain too(although we said Sheva would tear up England and look what happened). I'll ask Tony how he dealt with the possibilty and eventual departure of Zizou from Juventus so I'll be able to deal with Kaka going some seasons from now.

I think Desailly said it best when he gave his opinion why Sheva failed in the EPL - one of the things he siad was that "Milan was like a family and a very difficult club to leave" ... players think that leaving Milan would be good for them - new experiences and all that - but once they are out, they realize that few clubs have the environment Milan has.

kaka would be stupid not to consider that ... something Ronaldo and Sheva must have made him aware of already.

I doubt we can draw much parallels with Zidane going to real as Juve (under Moggi) and Milan have always been dif in their transfer philosophy. All it took to get a player away from Juve was to make high-enough an offer and it was done, with milan that's not the case, at least when it comes down to players like Kaka, who are so vital to the club.

Who Ancelotti would take off of the team to put a world class deffend midfield as Edmílson, Emerson or Makelele?

I don´t think those players wanna move from their team to stay in the stool

And I prefer spend money in Shevchenko than Henry or Eto'o

With a good negociation I think Chelsea would let Shevchenko go out for 30 mi or less because he will force it for sure

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Again that may be AS's estimation. Maybe Kaka earns more than that. However, I am pretty sure what he earns (or anyone in football IMO) isn't close to the Real Madrid offer (if it's true) cited above.

that was an article in Marca but I think they are pretty close to what the reality is - in Milan, the highest earners get around 6 mil/season (something Galliani has said many time already), which was what Sheva was getting when he left last summer.
kaka, however, before and even after the last revision of his contract was and is not among the very highest earners at Milan - I am basing this on things I have read on acmilan.com, Galliani's words, and the fact that kaka, no matter how good he has been for some time now, until this last season he was seen as a great talent - a player who was still a bit green and still develooping - and was in the shadow of players like Sheva, Maldini, Nesta etc, etc ... an important player at Milan but not "bandiera" as they call them.

It was only this last year, with Sheva gone, that Kaka became like the player-symbol at Milan and the talk about him is no longer "a great talent" but "the best player out there" ... these are the things that make big jumps in a player's salary records.

For the kaka of 05/06 season when the contract was last revised, 4 mil/season were more than enough ... now however, Milan will have to up the ante and it would only be rightly so given that the situation has changed (I am not referring only to Real M's advances), especially if we are ready to pay 10 mil/season to Dinho, and I would expect that he will soon be offered a much improved contract and I doubt he would say no even if it will hardly equal the 12 mil supposedly offered by Real, but would still be a lot higher than the current one.

Originally Posted by Samuca

Who Ancelotti would take off of the team to put a world class deffend midfield as Edmílson, Emerson or Makelele?

I don´t think those players wanna move from their team to stay in the stool

And I prefer spend money in Shevchenko than Henry or Eto'o

With a good negociation I think Chelsea would let Shevchenko go out for 30 mi or less because he will force it for sure

those players are well into their 30s already so it's not like they have loads of options out there - if they wanna keep playing at the very highest level, they would have to make some sacrifices, otherwise I am sure Villareal or Samp would be more than happy to offer them first team spots, no matter what

Also, Milan is looking at those players so that more and more rotation is possible and Carlo can avoid playing the same players over and over again given all the games that await us this year - the notion of "starters" and "reserves" will be a little dif if we manage to get a couple of class players as they will get plenty of time rotating with the ones we already have.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

that was an article in Marca but I think they are pretty close to what the reality is - in Milan, the highest earners get around 6 mil/season (something Galliani has said many time already), which was what Sheva was getting when he left last summer.
kaka, however, before and even after the last revision of his contract was and is not among the very highest earners at Milan - I am basing this on things I have read on acmilan.com, Galliani's words, and the fact that kaka, no matter how good he has been for some time now, until this last season he was seen as a great talent - a player who was still a bit green and still develooping - and was in the shadow of players like Sheva, Maldini, Nesta etc, etc ... an important player at Milan but not "bandiera" as they call them.

It was only this last year, with Sheva gone, that Kaka became like the player-symbol at Milan and the talk about him is no longer "a great talent" but "the best player out there" ... these are the things that make big jumps in a player's salary records.

For the kaka of 05/06 season when the contract was last revised, 4 mil/season were more than enough ... now however, Milan will have to up the ante and it would only be rightly so given that the situation has changed (I am not referring only to Real M's advances), especially if we are ready to pay 10 mil/season to Dinho, and I would expect that he will soon be offered a much improved contract and I doubt he would say no even if it will hardly equal the 12 mil supposedly offered by Real, but would still be a lot higher than the current one.

I see...do you mean net or gross when you say (or Marca) that Kaka earns 4 mill. I'd assume net? So his gross salary is 8 mill?