Winter Mercato

pazzini and pasquale + cash for Gila i would consider..

Originally Posted by zlatanov

well, he is gone now but Lyon paid much more than I expected it would cost to sign Keita - ~15 mil euros vs ~8mil - so that softened the blow a bit and I can actually sleep

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as for Kaka, that fairy tale that Marca told 1-2 days ago about Real offering 80 mil to Milan and 12/season to Kaka may have been another shot in the dark 'cause now AS seems to have thrown in a much lower offer for both sides - 50 mil euros to Milan and 8 mil/season for Kaka, which I doubt will make Galliani or Kaka's father in that matter salivate.

at least that's what this is saying:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettagli...a=1&hdnId=2391

At least we finally found out how much Kaka earns in Milan
6m Eur per year is the maximum Milan players get, and Kaka is one of Milan players who gets this much

Edit : It still is a big difference Zlat.
50% of 6m euro = 3m euro
75% of 8m euro = 6m euro

hey guys, do you know when the schedule for the next season will be announced
thank you

Originally Posted by Tony29.

At least we finally found out how much Kaka earns in Milan
6m Eur per year is the maximum Milan players get, and Kaka is one of Milan players who gets this much

Edit : It still is a big difference Zlat.
50% of 6m euro = 3m euro
75% of 8m euro = 6m euro

Yeah for sure it is a big difference. However, that is not to say that Milan won't increase his salary in the future. The 6 million euros thing is not a hard cap. Milan will probably move with the times. For example, the highest earner at Real was Beckham, and he got 4.6 million POUNDS. So this figure that Real are throwing around is a relatively recent development, and not a lot of players make that in the world.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

I tend to agree with what you said - Etoo, putting the ? marks on his finishing aside, is the type of player Milan needs more than Dinho, as long as we have Kaka, that is. And Etoo will be considerably cheaper both in terms of transfer fee and salary demands.

Also, bar any internal wars between Dinho and his teammates, Etoo is the more likely of the two to be let go by Barca given that Henry is more or less a direct replacement for Etoo in their current tactical formation.
Selling Dinho, however, would mean that they either have to unerath a player to replace him - not many of those around - or Rijkaard would have to mastermind a dif formation from next season on with Etoo and henry in it, which I somehow don't see happening as Rijkaard, without Ten Cate by his side, doesn't strike me as a master tactician who would risk changing a successful formation only to experiment with a new one, but who knows really ...

What's even worse about getting Dinho now and overpaying heaftily for his serveces is that in a couple of years, Barca will most likely be ready and willing to let him go and we won't have to pay a fortune to claw him out of their hands, provided that Silvio still wants him.
If now even 50 mil might not be quite enough to buy him, in 2 years or so, when he will be 29 yo, his price would probably be less than half that amount.

As for Bronzetti "predicting" transfers, I wouldn't be too awed by that as the guy is in very close relations with Galiani and Milan and is one of their most trusted people when it comes to deals with Spanish clubs and not only - he is something like a "mercato" consultant/advisor so to speak and if he doesn't know what is going on beyond what the papers say, who else would really.

If we're being pragmatic then Eto'o would be a better signing for us than Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho, however, is a name to get the heart racing.

Also, Barcelona have a ready made replacement for Ronaldinho in Messi. Many experts concur that it would be easier for them to replace Ronaldinho. That doesn't mean they would offload the Brazilian, necessarily, as reasons beyond football always factor in.

As for Bronzetti, I guess you're right. I just thought he was a transfer consultant in general, but he appears to be closer to Milan than it seemed.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calcio.../17/kaka.shtml

It says that Kaka has told Calderon in so many words to buzz off, and that he wouldn't betray Milan.

It also says that Kaka is among the top earners in the world, but still behind the likes of Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, Ballack, Sheva etc. He is, however, ahead of C. Ronaldo.

Anyway, enjoy.

Originally Posted by Graeme C

pazzini and pasquale + cash for Gila i would consider..

Pazzini = exactly like Gilardino and he'll have the same problems that Gila has.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

If we're being pragmatic then Eto'o would be a better signing for us than Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho, however, is a name to get the heart racing.

true but the question whether Dinho and Kaka would be compatible in the same team not only in terms of tactics but also egos, and more precisely Dinho's ego, still remains - Kaka is increasingly starting to overshadow Dinho's image and I doubt Dinho took well what Dunga said recently on the issue and him taking #10 away from Dinho and giving it to Kaka.

Maybe we could play Dinho as a support striker and not a left attacking mid but for that we'd have to change formations, whith respect to the diamond which has been so successfull for us when we have the proper players for it, and still there will be the risk of two mega-stars not working it out well together.

Of course there is always the chance that etoo won't be the same in italy but the same goes for dinho too with a lot more money at stake in the Brazilian's case.
including salary, Dinho in the next 2-3 years would cost Milan twice what etoo would, while his market value would probably plumet in respect to what it is now.

and then there is the issue of commitment with all the missed trainings, him being involved in too much marketing, which for sure affects his focus on his performances on the field at least to an extent, and I think it's also questionable how Dinho's serenity - and his perfomances depend on that heavily - will be affected with him being second fiddle to kaka, who would be stealing the show at Milan and now Brazil too.

Maybe it would work to have Dinho and Kaka together but the money we have to pay for him right now is a bit too much for a maybe, IMO ... that's why I think we'd better putting off this transfer for another year or two when his pwice will most likely be a lot less than it is now and he would still have some good football left in him.

Also, Barcelona have a ready made replacement for Ronaldinho in Messi. Many experts concur that it would be easier for them to replace Ronaldinho. That doesn't mean they would offload the Brazilian, necessarily, as reasons beyond football always factor in.

I am not sure these experts have thought this one entirely - Messi would replace Dinho but then again who would replace Messi, who in all fairness to his talent, I think is still a bit too green to get all the repsonsibility on his shoulders and needs a more experienced and prominent player to take the pressure off of him, at least for now.

Barca seem to be willing to have two great players on left and right of the single striker and unless Rijkaard is willing to change his formation, I really don't see who they could get to play alongside Messi with Dinho gone.
C.Ronaldo was an option, I guess, but that train is gone for now and so is Anderson, who Barca were rumoured to see Dinho's replacement in him ... Nani is also out of reach now, if they were interested at all.

As for etoo, I think it would be much easier to replace him and still keep the current formation intact by relying on "upgrading" it with some fresh blood rather than revolutionizing and changing it and by doing so, risk destabilizing the harmony between the players and all ... at least that'show I'd expect Rijkaard to be thinking.

That's how I explain Barca big-time interest in Henry - he seems like the perfect replacement for Etoo and would fit staright into their current system without much hassle, at least these are probably their plans for next year.
And there is always one other player who, should their bid for henry fail, will probably be their first choice to replace etoo - F. Torres, who has the characteristics they might be looking for, knows La Liga inside out and has been often rumoured to be on top of the Blaugrana shopping list ... and is available too.

I don't know what will happen in the end but these are my thoughts on this and I think that one of etoo or dinho will leave Barca this summer for sure, but not both, obviously.
Who would that be, I believe will heavily depend not on who Milan is willing to pay more money for but on who Barca deems easier to replace and IMO that's etoo, eventhough Dinho would probably bring a lot more money to the club and they won't have to pay him huge wages ... although I think they would find an agreement eventually.

People. I've just seen PAto play for the first time ( not on highlights ). Its like watchink young Shevachenko with even better skills. Im 100% dead serious, this boy is amazing! I know he is only 17 and it can be seen as he sometimes overplays himself like a child, but his speed, passing, the way he shoots and follows the game are PERFECT. If we have any chance to get him, we simply need to. Loan him to Viola, Parma, I dont care, just dont loose him. Leonardo is right, this guy is something special, and I suggest you take a closer look if you have a chance. In 3-5 years he will be top forward in the world, like Sheva was.

Dont get me wrong, right now he cant play for Milan ( aldough im not so sure about that either ), but if I see him play for Real, Inter or Juve I'll cry.

I know he cosat a lot, but that money would be wisely invested in super young player. Pippo is 34, Ronaldo 31.

Originally Posted by mrki

People. I've just seen PAto play for the first time ( not on highlights ). Its like watchink young Shevachenko with even better skills. Im 100% dead serious, this boy is amazing! I know he is only 17 and it can be seen as he sometimes overplays himself like a child, but his speed, passing, the way he shoots and follows the game are PERFECT. If we have any chance to get him, we simply need to. Loan him to Viola, Parma, I dont care, just dont loose him. Leonardo is right, this guy is something special, and I suggest you take a closer look if you have a chance. In 3-5 years he will be top forward in the world, like Sheva was.

Dont get me wrong, right now he cant play for Milan ( aldough im not so sure about that either ), but if I see him play for Real, Inter or Juve I'll cry.

I know he cosat a lot, but that money would be wisely invested in super young player. Pippo is 34, Ronaldo 31.

I hope we get Pato too. He is too young to tell what he might be in 2-3 years when Milan would probably consider bringing him into the first team but 10-15 mil would be worth it IMO as there is a good chance, should we miss him now, we would be after him several years later and ready to pay much more than that.

I think Milan is monitoring pato closely and what Leo has said about him is testament for that. Also, Galliani has said it often that players like Dinho and Kaka are reachable before they hit it big at one of the major clubs ... after that, they are close to impossible to get.
these things, and the lack of rumours, make me believe that Milan are closer to Pato than we think

Im ready to put anything on the line that Pato will end up in chelsea mark my words.

Personally, what guarantee do we have that Barca will let Eto go to another club when they get Henry? I just cant see Eto going to any other club other than Arsenal, we are talking about Wenger here he is not that stupid. If you think about it Eto has come out and said he admires Wenger and wants to play under him, at the same time Wenger can only see Eto as Henrys replacement. I know if some sort of deal was to go through the players would cross over with 1 club paying the other club some osrt of cash on top most likely Arsenal. I still think Milan would be better off stealing henry from under Barcas nose, he has another good 3/4 years in him and overall to me he is better than Eto.

For me I cant see Eto joining Milan, R10 on the other hand is more likely. I know the English teams cannot match Milan for the money, however I think the players choice will be to play in England.

I really don't see etoo joining Arsenal 'cause in all fairness to Wenger and his team, their time as an EPL super force seems to be over.
Now teams like Chelski, ManU and even Pool are too strong, on the field and financially, for Arsenal to compete with with the more limited resources and while bringing in young talents is an admirable policy in some aspects, it hasn't been very successful over the past several years.

There is too much insecurity over the clubs future too - with Dein gone, there is no knowing for how long will Wenger stick around - and again with that strong competition in the EPL, and their not so hot CL record bar one season in the last 10+ years, Arsenal just doesn't quite fit the profile of a club etoo would move from Barca for, a move which would be a step down in his career in every sense of the word.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

I really don't see etoo joining Arsenal 'cause in all fairness to Wenger and his team, their time as an EPL super force seems to be over.
Now teams like Chelski, ManU and even Pool are too strong, on the field and financially, for Arsenal to compete with with the more limited resources and while bringing in young talents is an admirable policy in some aspects, it hasn't been very successful over the past several years.

There is too much insecurity over the clubs future too - with Dein gone, there is no knowing for how long will Wenger stick around - and again with that strong competition in the EPL, and their not so hot CL record bar one season in the last 10+ years, Arsenal just doesn't quite fit the profile of a club etoo would move from Barca for, a move which would be a step down in his career in every sense of the word.

You have some good points Zlat, however I must say the only way Man United, Chelsea & Pool are stronger is financially and not on the field. Looking over the whole year with the main strike force injured for some time the other top three teams did not look stronger when facing Arsenal, the main reason Arsenal got behind was there was no real killer striker to finish off the game. Arsenal at the moment are going through a rough patch which clubs do go through, no disrespect to Manchester United as they did deserve the title however what about the last few years? Yeh, they did go through that patch also. Arsenal will find it difficult to compete with the other clubs as they dont have enough money, that is the reason they are holding talks with Kroenke and possibly finding a solution to some sort of takeover where they could please Wenger & possibly Henry. At the moment it is very insecure and I can say that if Wenger was to leave then half the team would leave with him which would probably mess up the club, however when you look at some of the recent signings and the ages of these players you must think why would he want to invest in more youth players and then leave?

If I had a choice between joining Milan or Arsenal, without even thinking twice I would choose Milan. They are much stronger, domestically (compared to Arsenal in EPL) and in Europe, they also have a much better chance at winning silverware. However the part that strikes me is that is Wenger that dumb or stupid to let Henry go and not get Eto in return? Its like a triangle if you ask me. You have Arsenal, Barca and Milan, Barca wont let Eto go unless they have Henry (I cant see any other striker which would match what they want not even f.torres as you mentioned earlier), Milan wont have the chance to get Eto unless Barca have Henry and Arsenal probably wont let Henry go without having a chance at getting Eto. This is the reason why I feel it would probably be best to get Henry. However im sure Berlu doesnt mind who he ends up with either R10 or Eto, but im sure he would prefer the Brazilian.

Maybe two best young forward in world are Pato and RYAN BABEL....
We must bring one of them in Milan if we want good team in the future.
This two boys are really really something special.
We have Leonardo to bring Pato and Van Basten to bring Babel we mustn t lose that.

Babel to me is nothing special, even if you look at the current Europ championship there are other Holland players who I would prefer over him.

On another note:
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Kaka has rejected Real Madrid’s offer to double his wages and earned the title of ‘Best in the world’ from Pele.

Ramon Calderon has repeatedly announced his intention of bringing the Brazilian to Spain, but Milan have been just as adamant that he is going nowhere.

This week both clubs confirmed that Real representatives met with Kaka’s father – who acts as his agent – but that it was only to officially turn down the proposal of £8m per season.

That is double what he currently earns at the San Siro, although the Rossoneri will improve his contract this summer to pay £4.3m until 2012.

It is also reported that the new deal to keep him in Italy will include the signing of younger brother Digao – currently playing in Serie B with Rimini – and a firm attempt to bring good friend Andriy Shevchenko back to Milan.

Failing that, then Ronaldinho is the next player down on the list of transfer candidates.

Kaka was the top scorer with 10 goals in this season’s Champions League and lifting the trophy in Athens makes him the runaway favourite to win the Ballon d’Or.

Now he has also received the seal of approval from his hero, Brazilian legend Pele.

“Cristiano Ronaldo is without doubt the best player in England, as everyone recognised this year, but that’s a long way off being the best in the world,” said ‘O Rey’ at a charity event in Angola.

“Kaka, on the other hand, is a player with qualities that make him better than Cristiano Ronaldo and that will allow him to be among the greatest of all time.”

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Does this mean he has extended his contract to another year?

Its great news if you ask me, is his brother any good?