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Originally posted by Haroon
How many championships does Patrese have?

Its like Jean Alesi winning a solitary race in his entire career!


Michael has achieved everything. His F-1 career is complete. What he is doing now is just raising the bar every race and every time.

He is the Greatest in the game without a shadow of a doubt.


P.S Tell me if you want to see his record list to illustrate his superiority

you donot have to show me MICHAEL'S SCHUMACHER'S superiority cuz I can show it to you!!!!
I adore Schumi wit all my heart and no one can tell me that I ain't a keenest fan of him!!!

However the record is a record and Schumi HAS to break it!!!!

!Forza Schumi per sempre!

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Bahrain GP - Saturday's trainings
Pilot, Team, Time, Tyres, Gap
1 Jenson Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:29.552
2 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW (M) 1:29.690 + 0.138
3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW (M) 1:29.696 + 0.144
4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:30.239 + 0.687
5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:30.407 + 0.855
6 Jarno Trulli Renault (M) 1:30.472 + 0.920
7 Cristiano da Matta Toyota (M) 1:30.499 + 0.947
8 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:30.513 + 0.961
9 Fernando Alonso Renault (M) 1:30.774 + 1.222
10 Olivier Panis Toyota (M) 1:30.934 + 1.382
11 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:31.320 + 1.768
12 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth (M) 1:31.331 + 1.779
13 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth (M) 1:31.384 + 1.832
14 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas (B) 1:32.433 + 2.881
15 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas (B) 1:32.557 + 3.005
16 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford (B) 1:32.816 + 3.264
17 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford (B) 1:33.342 + 3.790
18 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:34.590 + 5.038
19 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:35.901 + 6.349
20 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes (M) N/A

loox pretty bad but I feel that another vicory is comin, though
!Forza Ferrari per sempre!

Originally posted by Haroon
But he ain't invincible He is the GREATEST in the sport though

Currently yes, historically no...Senna was the best....or at least IMO .....but if Shumi keeps on winning he might become the best ever, I'll give you that much

Excellent, f1 thread!

Webber was unbearably unlucky in the Malaysian grand prix. In my latest rant, I am not satisfied that Montoya and Ralf being partners. Montoya is a great driver, and Ralf, on the other hand, is not. In fact, in my opinion he is an arrogant prick. I like BMW, and seeing Montoya leave BMW next season saddens me. Ralf should just leave (which I think he is) and let Montoya stay and have another more reliable partner.

Renault is going to become the next big thing

Goirre, Senna was the best at that time..Schumi currently the best in this era. But if you recall the records he has been making in F1 history, he undoubtedly the best ever.

sehn..let the big mouth move to McLaren, Ron Dennis already welcome him on their side. Anyway the rumour of signing Australian's Mark Webber to Williams is 50-50, so is DC, Jenson Button, or Fisichella.

The Ralf rumour would have moved to Toyota is far away to be true.

Oh..Speaking of qualifying result at Sakhr, Schumi got his pole once again, so he makes 58 pole so far. Followed by his team-mate, Rubinho, Williams duo, JPM and Ralf in 3rd and 4th positon. B.A.R Honda are still spreading the threat once again.

Button going there would be great if Montoya joins him (or rather him joins Montoya ) , but I doubt Fisico would too. He just signed for Sauber, won't there be a breach of contract or something?

Fisi's contract expires in 2004, it means in the end of season he will freely go to anywhere. But, he only wants to join Ferrari. Unfortunately he's less soldable to sponsorship, so is Button or Webber.

Originally posted by Goirre
Currently yes, historically no...Senna was the best....or at least IMO .....but if Shumi keeps on winning he might become the best ever, I'll give you that much

The Late Great Senna has my eternal respect but when somebody mentions him as the Greatest ever then it is due to more emotional and sentimental reasons than historical fact!

Alain Prost aka The Fast Son of a Biatch won more races and championships than Senna.


Name: Michael Schumacher

Country: Deutschland (Kerpen)

F-1 Debut: Belgian Grand Prix - 1991 (Jordan)

Team: Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

Previous Teams: Jordan, Benetton

World Championships: 6 (World Record) : 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003

Race Wins: 70 (World Record)

Career Points: 1038 (World Record)

Podium Places: 122 (World Record)

Poles: 55 - Senna has 65 Poles

---> Michael Schumacher became the youngest ever F-1 Champion at the age of 25 when he won his first driver’s title in ’94 with the Benetton Ford team.

---> Michael Schumacher has 70 wins. Alain Prost has 51 wins. Ayrton Senna has 41 wins. These are the top three drivers. The number of wins Schumacher has is unprecedented and it is almost a third more than Prost!!

---> Michael Schumacher is the ONLY driver to win two world championships each with two different teams. He won in ’94 and ’95 with the Benetton team and in 2000 and 2001 with the Ferrari team. No one has ever done that! World Record! Winning them consecutively adds more flavour to it!

---> Michael Schumacher is the ONLY driver to win at least 9 races in a season on FOUR different occasions i.e. in ’95, '00, '01 (9 wins each). He won an unprecedented 11 races in ONE SEASON alone in the record smashing 2002 season when the Championship was won at the halfway stage in Magny-Cours (French Grand Prix). He has done it 4 times. Nigel Mansell (England - Williams) is the only one to win 9 races in a season and that was in the '92 season.

---> By winning his 6th World Title today, Schumacher became only the second driver in history to win 4 CONSECUTIVE world championships after the Late Great JUAN MANUEL FANGIO who passed away in 1995. Fangio is the only other driver to win 4 on the trot!

---> Schumacher's Races/Wins ratio is 2.75 (193/70) compared to Prost 3.90 (199/51) and Senna 3.92 (161/41). Schumacher's race/win ratio was better than both at the stage when he had 162 races. Fangio's ratio is the one that may NEVER be matched coz it is mind boggling -> 2.12 (51/24)!!

---> Schumacher is the ONLY driver to get more than 100 points in ONE season and he has done it on THREE occasions in 2000. 2001 and 2002.

---> The Greatest Achievement In The History of F-1 Motor Racing --->>> The FIRST & ONLY driver to win 6 World Titles

Juan Manuel Fangio's long standing record of "5" world Championships that stood for a good portion of nearly 50 years has been broken today (October 12, 2003) by one MICHAEL SCHUMACHER!!!!

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World Championships
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1. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 6

2. Juan Manuel FANGIO (Argentina) -> 5

3. Alain PROST (France) -> 4

4. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 3

5. Niki LAUDA (Austria) -> 3

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Race Wins
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1. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 70

2. Alain PROST (France) -> 51

3. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 41

4. Nigel MANSELL (Britain) -> 31

5. Jackie Stewart (Britain) -> 27

6. Niki LAUDA (Austria) -> 25

7. Jim CLARK (Britain) -> 25

8. Juan Manuel FANGIO (Argentina) -> 24

9. Nelson PIQUET (Brasil) -> 23

10. Damon HILL (Britain) -> 22

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Career Points
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1. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 1038

2. Alain PROST (France) -> 768.5

3. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 610

4. Nelson PIQUET (Brasil) -> 481.5

5. Nigel MANSELL (Britain) -> 480

==============================================

Podium Places
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1. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 122

2. Alain PROST (France) -> 106

3. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 80

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Fastest Laps
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1. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 56

2. Alain PROST (France) -> 41

3. Nigel MANSELL (Britain) -> 30

4. Jim CLARK (Britain) -> 28

5. Mika HAKKINEN (Finland) -> 25


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Poles
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1. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 65

2. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 55

3. Alain PROST (France) -> 33

4. Jim CLARK (Britain) -> 33

5. Nigel MANSELL (Britain) -> 32


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Race/Win Ratio
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1. Juan Manuel FANGIO (Argentina) -> 2.12 (51/24)

2. Michael SCHUMACHER (Deutschland) -> 2.75 (193/70)

3. Jim CLARK (Britain) -> 2.88 (72/25)

4. Jackie STEWART (Britain) -> 3.66 (99/27)

5. Alain PROST (France) -> 3.90 (199/51)

6. Ayrton SENNA (Brasil) -> 3.92 (161/41)

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Carlos you really shouldn't be defending Senna! He doesn't have the stats. Check this last one. Schumacher when he had 161 races had a better ratio than Senna

Senna was charistmatic and great but when it is all said and done Michael is THE REAL DEAL!!

Keep in mind I am not including this season's stats. The one record that is in the way is the POLE POSITIONS and Schumacher has 3/3 this season! He is concentrating on it the most.


Saying that Senna is the Greatest Ever is just like a Manchester United Fan claiming that they are the greatest football club ever! A lot of ifs and buts. Schumacher is not only the Greatest Ever but he is THE ONE by a MILE!!


P.S Senna was great in a McLaren not in a Williams

as a massive ferrari fan the qualfying today worried me a bit despite the fact we were 1 and 2. this is because the williams looked very strong and only driver error kept them off the front row. my prediction for the race:
1 JPM
2 Michael Schumacher
3 Ralf Schumacher

Forza FERRARI

My friend's in Bahrain and he's going crazy abt this

i still can't believe that they've replaced champagne with a fruit drink and removed the pit lane girls. what's the point of watching it now? only joking i fully appreciate the fact that different countries have different views on certain subjects and as we are in their home it is only right that F1 follows their ways.

damn Haroon, is a lose-lose situation to try to discuss with you and your stats

but you are totally right, me supporting Senna all the way has a lot to do with emotional reasons....if I was objective I would most probably agree Shumi is the best ever....but since I'm being biased I'll say Senna remains as the best ever

Damn. All this while I thought it was Alan FROST instead of prost

Anyway, only 4 hours or so till matchday!! I'm damn excited!

i don't care what the stats say imo senna was the best driver ever, and i am saying this as a ferrari fanaholic. i think schuey is a very very close second, but senna edges it because he was simply a genius behind the wheel. remember stats are like mini skirts they reveal a hell of a lot but they hide the most important bits!

ps what does LOL stand for i though it stood for lots of love but it certain posts it just wouldn't make sense.

pps ferrrari walking it in bahrain as i write

Forza Schumi!!!

Ferrari and Schumi do it again.