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Whatever....I don't buy the whole "poor us we have no cash because Italy makes it hard for us to pay wages " meanwhile EVERY YEAR inter buys a star player

for last year, Inter had a 180 mil euros badget deficit, which means, if it wasn't for Moratti and his Provera buddy to pour so much money into them, Inter would exist for about 3-4 months before being sent to serie C2 under the name Ambrosiana or Lombardia or whatever they choose or at best end up like Cragnotti's Lazio.

How long do you think this farse would continue before the cash flow dries out? It looked like Moratti was ready to pull the plug a couple of years ago - beginning of 2005/2006 season or something like that, which may very well explain why they had to cook the books in order to inscribe in serie A - but something stopped him ... what was that something? ... well, let's just say that several months or a year tops later, the italian media was flooded with phone call recordings that cleared their path to certain "trophies" of paper glory.
Before that, however, Inter had been equally free-spending on the market without any real results to match the investements that had been made.

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.
yeah, it may sound difficult to believe but there is much more to running a club and not running it into a tree or a ditch than crying left and right for new toys every summer so that Milan fans have something to brag about to their Barca or Inter-supporting buddies.

Obviously Milan was looking to buy players given that they made a concrete offer for Tiago, and I guess we can be certain that we are looking for a quality player up front. WHether that player will come doesn't depend solely on us as we are talking about players that are deemd "not for sale" most of the tyme ...
So we should expect certain players with certain characteristics to arrive at Milan, who those players will be, I guess will depend on availability and those deals being financially sound for the club.

well said zlat, u just beat me to posting it. The players wages is what is really holding Milan back, i really think there needs to be a salary cap in europe so Italians teams cannot be outdone by spain and so forth.

If Milan are infact considering a new stadium and all they need to keep the budget straight and not do what inter have done. Im hoping if we sign anymore players belusconi will fork the money out instead of the club. Thus keeping our balance in the +++ figures.

right now i would swop Oli for Cassano, but we will still need another striker as Cassano will need time to lose weight and stuff.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

for last year, Inter had a 180 mil euros badget deficit, which means, if it wasn't for Moratti and his Provera buddy to pour so much money into them, Inter would exist for about 3-4 months before being sent to serie C2 under the name Ambrosiana or Lombardia or whatever they choose or at best end up like Cragnotti's Lazio.

How long do you think this farse would continue before the cash flow dries out? It looked like Moratti was ready to pull the plug a couple of years ago - beginning of 2005/2006 season or something like that - but something stopped ... what was that something? ... well, let's just say that several months or a year tops later, the italian media was flooded with phone call recordings that cleared their path to certain "trophies" of paper glory.
Before that, however, Inter had been equally free-spending on the market without any real results to match the investements that had been made.

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.
yeah, it may sound difficult to believe but there is much more to running a club and not running it into a tree or a ditch than crying left and right for new toys every summer so that Milan fans have something to brag about to their Barca or Inter-supporting buddies.

Obviously Milan was looking to buy players given that they made a concrete offer for Tiago, and I guess we can be certain that we are looking for a quality player up front. WHether that player will come doesn't depend solely on us as we are talking about players that are deemd "not for sale" most of the tyme ...
So we should expect certain players with certain characteristics to arrive at Milan, who those players will be, I guess will depend on availability and those deals being financially sound for the club.

I agree, for the most part, with this sensible analysis.

While Inter overdo it on the transfer market, patrons like Moratti are essential to keep Italian football competitive (reasons explained on this thread).

The goal should be to ally a financially sound club with the occasional spurge courtesy of a patron.

Not Abramovich or Moratti style spending.

Originally Posted by Graeme C

right now i would swop Oli for Cassano, but we will still need another striker as Cassano will need time to lose weight and stuff.

I can't say I won't fancy a move like that although if we can't find another good DM, we could include Emerson in that deal too - Real seem to be willing to give away Cassano for free anyway just to rid themselves off of his 4.5 mil/season salary ... which might be a problem for a move like that given all the unknowns surrounding Cassano as a long term investment.

today Silvio said that Barca's president told him that DInho is untouchable (at least for this summer, I guess) and if he were to sell the Brazilian, he would be forced to emigrate or something ... so Silvio, for now, sounds like he has given up on his dream to get Dinho but he sounded more optimistic about Etoo ... maybe the two patrons exhanged something other than "we want Etoo", "no, he is not for sale"

if, however, we end up not getting players of Etoo's calibre, maybe getting Cassano and a player like Quagliarella and letting RO go would be great too as both these players can play not only in attack but drop back and help in attacking mid too - it would give a lot of dynamism to the attack, I think ... and would come for a fraction of the price we'd have to pay for Etoo (at least 35 mil, I'd guess) without counting his salary of at least 6.5 mil (net pay) per season.

In general I am against Milan getting players like Cassano but now that he's reached bare bottom - dif to imagine his career could go any lower than this - maybe he would wake up and a little Milanello therapy would do him well and will get him on the right track.
But for that to happen, I would expect Milan to aks him to lower his wages and sign a short-term contract - like Ronaldo did last winter - abd that might be a problem.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I agree, for the most part, with this sensible analysis.

While Inter overdo it on the transfer market, patrons like Moratti are essential to keep Italian football competitive (reasons explained on this thread).

The goal should be to ally a financially sound club with the occasional spurge courtesy of a patron.

Not Abramovich or Moratti style spending.

regrading those salaries figures mentioned in the press and all, we were wondering if they were net pay or gross figures ... well, taking Galliani's explanation about Henry's salary, I guess we can safely assume that everything mentioned in the press or offiial announcements is "net pay".
So, if Kaka's contract is improved, he would be getting 6.5 mil net - means Milan will have to dish out 13 mil every season - so that isn't so much lower than the presumed 8 mil net that Real was offering him.

so the 13 mil milan would have to pay, half of that is tax yeah?

Originally Posted by Graeme C

so the 13 mil milan would have to pay, half of that is tax yeah?

that's what I think ... provided that the 6.5 mil mentioned in the press was net money - and given that Henry would be getting 10 mil net at Barca, it must be that - then we'd have to pay twice that amount altogether ... and all of a sudden 100-150 mil for salaries alone/season doesn't look so much for a club like Milan
maybe the otalian governo shoudl think about that next time they try to explain to themselves why is that Calcio is 380 mil in the red

Originally Posted by zlatanov

regrading those salaries figures mentioned in the press and all, we were wondering if they were net pay or gross figures ... well, taking Galliani's explanation about Henry's salary, I guess we can safely assume that everything mentioned in the press or offiial announcements is "net pay".
So, if Kaka's contract is improved, he would be getting 6.5 mil net - means Milan will have to dish out 13 mil every season - so that isn't so much lower than the presumed 8 mil net that Real was offering him.

Hmm...really? I thought that it was 6 mill gross. But I think you may be right. The figures we see may be net figures.

What part of Galliani's explanation made you think that? The part when he said we would have to pay X to match Barca?

Originally Posted by zlatanov

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.

When you look at the TOTAL cost of a player such as here, you really see how much it doesn't make sense in economic terms. No way would you make that much of a return, plus, speaking about Henry, it is an insane amount of faith to have in a player who does leave doubt about his ability on all stages. Even Eto'o, if we splash the cash on him, think how costly each of his many misses will seem.
If you ask me I would say to go for Italian talent, such as Quaglierella.
It is a shame we missed out on Suazo because, in all respects, he may have been the best option.

I guess we shouldn't be so insanely obsessed towards Barcelona, 'cause it's very very hard to deal with top spanish sides...Milan should keep instead a door open to french or dutch sides, which are more suitable for doing business with us... so let's forget that Eto'o/Motta/Emerson thing and purchase Sneijder/Huntelaar, let's revive the great 'dutch-milanese connection'!

Milan is linked to Zambrotta ?
How Come ?
Some journalists thinks that Barcelona might go after Abidal and maybe because of that there will be no place for Zambrotta , who could leave and might go to Milan. This makes Milan going after Zambrotta ? Because the journalists thinks so ?

Zlatanov was saying this for weeks. When Zlat collected 2+2 and came out with a conclusion that Milan might go after Zambro, it didn't mean much to you, but when some journalist, who probably has no more inside info than me and Zlat, does it, it makes your team close to Zambro ?

You have your own heads people, use them
Milan is not closer to Zambro now when it is in the pappers than they were a week ago when Zlat was faster than the journalist and said Milan may get Zambrotta.

Edit : I wanna say that Milan will probably get Zambrotta, but it is absolutly nothing new and all of us who're following things closer were aware about this possibility months ago. Nothing new happened today to make Milan closer to Zambro. Don't wait for the pappers for something you can come out by yourselves.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

What part of Galliani's explanation made you think that? The part when he said we would have to pay X to match Barca?

mostly that in the press the salary Henry would be getting was repprted as 10 mil and not 15 mil, which is what he would cost to Barca in gross pay.
it seems to me that taxes are taken for givena and are not even included in the negotiations as it is assumed that the club would take care of that, naturally ... as that sayin goes "certain as death and taxes"

and also, there would be too much of a descrepancy if a player like Kaka nets a little over 3 mil (with that 6.5 mil being gross figures) while Henry gets 10 mil net pay or Sheva/Lampard/Ballack 7-8 or so net.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

mostly that in the press the salary Henry would be getting was repprted as 10 mil and not 15 mil, which is what he would cost to Barca in gross pay.
it seems to me that taxes are taken for givena and are not even included in the negotiations as it is assumed that the club would take care of that, naturally ... as that sayin goes "certain as death and taxes"

and also, there would be too much of a descrepancy if a player like Kaka nets a little over 3 mil (with that 6.5 mil being gross figures) while Henry gets 10 mil net pay or Sheva/Lampard/Ballack 7-8 or so net.

I think you're right. Glad we cleared that up.

This thread seems to support your conclusions:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354036

This conclusion also makes Galliani's statements (about the bleak future) a little hyperbolic.