Winter Mercato

What's the tax rate for players in Italy ?
Is it bigger than the 40% in England ?

Originally Posted by Tony29.

What's the tax rate for players in Italy ?
Is it bigger than the 40% in England ?

Yes, 50%.

This is the paragraph from gazzetta:

LA SITUAZIONE - Per quanto riguarda Kakà, invece, c’è chi ipotizza che il brasiliano possa sfruttare l’interessamento del Real Madrid per strappare un aumento al Milan. Può darsi che non sia un’ipotesi completamente sbagliata, ma l’estate scorsa Ricky ha rinnovato il suo contratto con i rossoneri fino al 30 giugno 2011 e l’ingaggio lo soddisfa pienamente: 6 milioni all’anno. Il problema può nascere se il brasiliano si mette a fare dei confronti con le altre stelle dei campionati europei: il più ricco è Ronaldinho (8 milioni) seguito da Ibrahimovic, Shevchenko e Ballack, tutti a 6,5. Kakà è quinto, appena davanti a Vieira (5,6) e Cristiano Ronaldo (5,6). Non è che si possa granché lamentare e non si può neanche dire che Kakà sia un ragazzo avido, ma questa è forse l’unica strada che il Real Madrid potrà seguire in futuro per invogliare il brasiliano a trasferirsi in Spagna, dove le facilitazioni fiscali rendono più gonfio il portafogli dei campioni stranieri.

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It says that Ronaldinho's salary makes him the highest earner. Ibra, Sheva, and Ballack are each at 6.5.

Now I am confident that the figures quoted have to be net. Because Ballack makes (121,000 pounds a week after tax). It also makes sense that the figures reported are net because Ibra is said to earn 4 million pounds a year (thereabouts) and that translates roughly to the figures above.

So Ronaldinho earns about 11 million euros gross, but because of the tax laws he pockets 8.

Vieira also earns 11 million gross, but because of tax laws pockets only (roughly) 5.6 million euros.

There's no way Ronaldinho only earns 8 million gross, so the figures must be net.

Finally, this is a question an interviewer asked Galliani yesterday:

The top signing bonus in Italy is 6.5 million euros, a figure which has been surpassed abroad for quite some time...

By bonus I think he means wage. And so the numbers that I've posted above support that because the highest earner is Ibra for Inter.

This is from the Guardian (so the English have this problem too):

The firm said a player seeking net pay of £50,000 a week would need a £100,000-a-week gross salary in Britain compared with £66,000 in Spain.

Roy Saunders, IFS chairman, said: "It is no surprise that England lags behind Spain ... the current UK tax system is unattractive to high-earning sportsmen and is preventing the UK from luring and retaining talent. The impact on footballers ... is an effective tax burden of around 50% of gross salary."

Spain has dramatically cut tax rates in recent years, making it easier for clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona to cover wages and other perks compared with clubs in Britain, France and Germany.

Milan president Silvio Berlusconi says Ronaldinho will never join the club.

Berlusconi has never hidden his admiration for the Barcelona star and would love to bring him to the Giuseppe Meazza.

Milan have previously insisted they would be at the forefront to sign Ronaldinho should Barcelona ever decide to sell him.

However, Berlusconi believes that is unlikely to happen as Barcelona would never sell the Brazilian maestro.

"I've spoken with Barcelona president [Joan] Laporta and he told me that should he sell Ronaldinho, he would have to leave the country," Berlusconi told Sky Italia.

Milan are keen to bring in a new striker this summer and they have been linked with Ronaldinho's team-mate Samuel Eto'o.

Eto'o is adamant he will not be leaving Barcelona, but Berlusconi insists the club will do everything to sign a quality forward.

"We don't give limits to our targets," added Berlusconi. "We hope to find someone who can fit our needs.

"For the moment we expect a lot from Ronaldo. Then we will find a strong player who is not untransferable."

*there's news about Zambrotta
if Abidal complete his transfer for barca - zambrotta will be Milanesta
but in my opinion i don't trust this rumors - barca doing very will in the market and they want to built very strong team .
if abidal arrive zambrotta will be allways RB
i want Barca think about sign Danial Alaves to be zambro very easy to catch .

*in Mediasat talking about milan intersting in liverpool midfield sissoko becouse there no space for him " Gerrard - Xavi Alonso - Lucas Pazzini - Mascerano " .
but i think he hasn't Europen Passport , then milan when be sure that they can't sign Eto'o , will make an Official offer .

But i see lazio player Mudingayi can be very good in midfield- just 8M - if sissoko is high value ,, like what we want to offer for Emerson .
and Carletto like him

sorry for another post - but i want to talk about the big player galliani want to bring him .
i think there is no player in attack - Henry and Suazo are gone
Eto'o - Ronaldhino - Drogba - Shevchnko will stay in there clubs
Villa - Torres high value for sure milan will not pay .
how is the big strike will milan brought ??!

milan Should change his strategie in Mercato - there is no big name in attack why they not looking about attack-midfield .
and continues with best ancelotti formation . 4-5-1
by make offer for Riquelme he's value very low - just 8M .

Kaka - Riquelme
Ronaldo
and brought Cassano in free for Substitute

Originally Posted by The Rock

But i see lazio player Mudingayi can be very good in midfield- just 8M

Ah, Mudingayi.
I think that i, together with Kastriot and AcMir, am the most competent when we're talking about Lazio players because our local TV is killing us with Lazio matches Sunday after Sunday

Gaby Mudingayi is the man who runs more than anyone else in Italy. Passes, technique and goals scoring - you can forget about this , but this man runs so much that it seems Lazio are playing with 12 players all the time ( although in their case it's like they play with 11 players because Pandev doesn't run at all ).
Mudingayi and Gattuso together will be a nightmare for opponent's midfield, but i can't see Milan playing with two of a kind players like them. The team will lose huge in creativity and Milan will lose their main characteristic- attacking football.

Every team should have a player like Mudingayi, and 8m is relativly low for such a hard worker. But Milan already has Gattuso and it will be kinda selfish for you to have both Rino and Gaby

i get your point - but milan lost his creativity when ambrosini playing ?!
i don't think so - ancelotti want the man how can attack and defence in the same time and gattuso can't do this !
maybe Rino and Gaby same type of player but you say Gaby have a

Passes, technique and goals scoring

that why im thinking on him .
Gattuso - Full Defense "DM"
Mudingayi - Between Defense and Attack "DM Or CM what you want "
Pirlo - Full Attack " CM"


about Creativity - when we play with Gaby and Rino we will make space for Pirlo to do what he can in attack beside Clarence Sedorff or some body new .
Rino - Pirlo - Gaby
Kaka - Roman
Roni !

like what we do in champions league
Rino - Pirlo - Ambro
Kaka - Sedorff
Pippo

Ok so we can't get Ronaldinho......what about buying "the next ronaldinho" ?? Giovanni Do Santos??? I have seen him play and he looks every bit like ronaldinho.... PLUS he got 90/100 on my fifa 07 so that kinda seals it . He is just a kid so he won't be as expensive as ronaldinho and When Kaka turns 29 if all goes well we'll at least have a semi decent replacement

A bit off topic now, what about our youth team striker Aubameyang guys? Didn't Galliani said that he would be promoted to the senior team next season after scoring against Juve in Trofeo Berlusconi?

Originally Posted by drucurl

Ok so we can't get Ronaldinho......what about buying "the next ronaldinho" ?? Giovanni Do Santos??? I have seen him play and he looks every bit like ronaldinho.... PLUS he got 90/100 on my fifa 07 so that kinda seals it . He is just a kid so he won't be as expensive as ronaldinho and When Kaka turns 29 if all goes well we'll at least have a semi decent replacement

well, let's just say that looks is not the only thing dos Santos and Dinho have in common

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Ah, Mudingayi.
I think that i, together with Kastriot and AcMir, am the most competent when we're talking about Lazio players because our local TV is killing us with Lazio matches Sunday after Sunday

Gaby Mudingayi is the man who runs more than anyone else in Italy. Passes, technique and goals scoring - you can forget about this , but this man runs so much that it seems Lazio are playing with 12 players all the time ( although in their case it's like they play with 11 players because Pandev doesn't run at all ).
Mudingayi and Gattuso together will be a nightmare for opponent's midfield, but i can't see Milan playing with two of a kind players like them. The team will lose huge in creativity and Milan will lose their main characteristic- attacking football.

Every team should have a player like Mudingayi, and 8m is relativly low for such a hard worker. But Milan already has Gattuso and it will be kinda selfish for you to have both Rino and Gaby

well, let's just that Gattuso and Mudinguyi won't be playing together ... and that Brochi would probably end up in Torino - lots of games for Milan next year and Gattuso can't play them all even if he stays healthy.
Plus, we are selfish

btw, where did you guys got that 8mil figure from? Lotito would probably ask for twice that and after 1-2 months of negotiations, he would come down to 10 or 11

btw, a month or so ago there were rumours about carlo being keen on Mudinguyi and that was at the time when we were heavily being linked with Emerson and Edmilson type of player.

A bit off topic now, what about our youth team striker Aubameyang guys? Didn't Galliani said that he would be promoted to the senior team next season after scoring against Juve in Trofeo Berlusconi?

the NEW RULES in Uefa for Champions league that all the team must have 3 players from there academys - and for sure Aube will be one of them! with Di Gannero and maybe Dermian or Gurci

Or let US buy Abidal and make our LB sealed by Abidal and Marek. Im fed up with waiting for other clubs to make their movs on mercato and then we came on for charity and whats left. Or, its obvious Chivu is for sale! His wages will certanly not go for more than 4 mil oer season, lets pay ROma decent money and sign the man. There ARE options,but Galliani isnt working hard on mercato as he used to do.

If Barca buys Abidal, they'll put Zambro on the RB and he'll be lost. We dont need Alves as we have Oddo who is good enough for now. Dont think Milan will get Zambrotta just becouse Barcelona bought a LB.

Im 100% sure that, with proper investment, we can sign Abidal, Edmilson and Pato. And there we have: great LB, experienced and good DM, very promising CF to play with Gila,Pippo,Ronaldo,Kaka'. I think that for European champions this simply needs to be possible. If not, then something is wrong with Berlusconi-Galliani-Braida connection, mark my words on this issue.

If they are not ready to invest 50 mil on 3 top class players - then the hell with it all!

I think Milan don´t even wanted Ronaldinho, were all fake rumors

The worse number 10 of BrasilNT ever, never come back to deffend, even do useless moves and hide in decisive momments, I don´t think Ancelotti wanted he