Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I'm sorry but Gourcuff was nowhere on the pitch when he played for us ... he didn't have a lot of time, and when he had, he wasted it, so he lost confidence and ... we know what happened next. He wasn't at his current level at all.

Now, if Ancelotti is still there next year, and if Gourcuff comes back, of course, Goucuff will have to play after the 6 excellent months he's done in Bordeaux (still 3 months to go in the season but he needs resting time to perform well again).

So Gourcuff could be the best player in the planet, he lost confidence because he didn't have the playing time on the pitch, it's also his mistake: just compare him to Flamini, Flamini has had about the same problem, but he slowly gets more and more time because he has a "fighting spirit".

Gourcuff was probably too young (it's not a question of age actually, but maturity) to have this spirit. I think now he can battle with our midfielders to get a spot.

Oh my God, Geo, you're so impressive !! It's exactly what said Ancelotti in an interview published yesterday I think in a French magazine !!

Yeah I'm speaking to myself, that's very cool ...

So what Ancelotti said is (I translate):
"You know, Milan is a club where you need to prove your value very quickly. I understand his disapointment, it's not easy just to play some small parts of games, but when I gave him some minutes on the pitch, he used to want to prove too much he was worth playing, and his prestation tended to be only individual. He wasn't able to play 'for the team (I mean, the contrary of individual lol)' ... He must still work on his mental to be a great player, he gave up too quickly. He is a very good player, no doubt, but his mental was his main problem in Milan."

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Oh my God, Geo, you're so impressive !! It's exactly what said Ancelotti in an interview published yesterday I think in a French magazine !!

Yeah I'm speaking to myself, that's very cool ...

So what Ancelotti said is (I translate):
"You know, Milan is a club where you need to prove your value very quickly. I understand his disapointment, it's not easy just to play some small parts of games, but when I gave him some minutes on the pitch, he used to want to prove too much he was worth playing, and his prestation tended to be only individual. He wasn't able to play 'for the team (I mean, the contrary of individual lol)' ... He must still work on his mental to be a great player, he gave up too quickly. He is a very good player, no doubt, but his mental was his main problem in Milan."

I remember i saw an interview with Martin Laursen a couple of months ago, he talked about his time at Milan and how Milan had always been his favorite club, yet he had a terrible time here. He said that the biggest problem he had, was the lack of confidence from the coach (Ancelotti), he was afraid that each time he did a minor mistake, he'd be subbed, and this utlimatly had a negative impact on his performance. Now he is ofcouse a profesional footballer so he 'should' be able to perform regardless, but the truth is that some players just needs a bit of confidence, a bit of reassurence that the coach 'believes' in them, so to speak. I think Gourcuff needed that confidence, he's undoubtedly extremly talented, and the coach should do everthing he can to get the best out of the player, and ultimatly if the player doesn't perform to the best of his ability the coach is also at fault.

Look at Wenger, he has (or used to have) young players performing like veterans each week, players with alot less talent than Gourcuff are given confidence and performs better therefor. Now sometimes his patience with some players seems to extreme, but i still think that Carlo can learn from him.

Interesting Geo, quoting yourself.

Well if Carlo really said something like that, I guess he is trying to show that he is willing to develop youngsters.......

TO me, Carlo is a goner once he lost the match this past Sunday.

How about these center forwards apart from Karim Benzema:
Huntelaar: Not very happy at Real
Fabiano: Must be looking for a bigger club
Afonso Alvez: I know he has been terrible at Middelsbrough, but the guy is Brazillian and has got the potential. Scored goals for fun in the Dutch league
Paveluchenko: I know he can be a hit, just bring him!
Lisandro Lopez: He has scored some thing like 18 goals in 25 matches in UCL for Porto (if I am not mistaken)
Kun Aguero: He is a dynamite. I would love to see him playing with Kaka

Originally Posted by GeoTav

PS: For mzk, is it a real need to have a signature as big as your one ?!

Yes, because that mzk57's signature

Well actually I know you are a nice guy, but some times you have to take out it from your chest, otherwise it will kill you

Ok I am modifying my signature. I don't hate Carlo. I like him. us that the recent results has pissed off me

Forza Carlo, but plz go now. Go and save Parma or Lazio

Marca reports that Galliani said everything is possible regarding Kaka' if Perez is president of Real.

Anything is possible when he is the vice president of Milan too, like buying Sheva after the loan.

I can't even begin to play the merry-go-round of players who will come or who we need. To me, the simplest things to look at are who will our new coach be next year? and will Kaka' be gone? I'm nervous about the latter, big time...

Originally Posted by Jeff

Anything is possible when he is the vice president of Milan too, like buying Sheva after the loan.

But let's not forget that if Shevchenko is back, it's because of (and not thanks to for this player lol) Berlusconi and only Berlusconi ...

There is an entire article on TMW about who are the true responsible people of our current situation. To summarize it:

- Berlusconi for the past mercatos and especially the last one. Berlusconi also for the story around Kaka' ... and to finish, Berlusconi because for them, it's his fault if we can't procude any young promising star in our formation camp.
- Galliani for our last winter mercato, instead of fixing some of our problems immediately, he bought a player for next year (maybe we'll thank him next year, but not now), and two loans, one for a player who only played one friendly game for moment, and one for a 30+ years old player who played well for 4 games only
- our medical staff, or Milan Lab, like you want, like they say in the article, that is quite funny, Milan Lab was like Lourdes some years ago, miracles happened there, but nowadays, it's worse than a small hospital (they quote one, I don't know why this one especially)

In this article, they don't give a lot of responsability to Ancelotti because for them, we should thank him for winning titles in his years which were the ones when we invested the less ...

And again from TMW (so, let's not believe everything, especially because htey don't give their source), from the 4 hours-reunion from today, our management would have definite our objectives in terms of mercato, the ones if we finish third:

PORTIERE: confermato a pieni voti Abbiati, si cerca un giovane che possa crescere e dare continuità al progetto indiziati sono Handanovic (Udinese) e Marchetti (Cagliari), ma non si possono escludere piste estere o brasiliane.

Confirmed Abbiati, they look for a young GK who can improve and give some continuity.
Choices: Handanovic from Udinese or Marchetti from Cagliari. We can't exclude any target from abroad and Brazil.

DIFESA: il sogno è Mexes, molto dipenderà dalla situazione di Nesta, Thiago Silva è sicuro titolare, si punta su Agger (8 mln), Gael Clichy (10 mln), ma non sono stati dimenticati Alex (10 mln) e, Santacroce (10 mln), che con Mattioni, Zambrotta, Jankulovski, Bonera, Kaladze e Antonini (sempre che non diventi pedina di scambio), garantiranno longevità ad un reparto ormai logoro.

The dream is Mexes, but it depends on the situation with Nesta.
Thiago Silva is sure to be a starter.
Choices: Agger (8M) and Clichy (10M), but no denial for Alex (10M) and Santacroce (10M).
Mattioni, Bonera, Kaladze, Zambrotta, Jankulovski and Antonini are sure to stay (except for Antonini who could be used for negociations).

CENTROCAMPO: detto di Ambro e Seedorf, si punta dritto sul "riacquistare" il francesino Gourcuff (ha stupito con la sua crescita in club e nazionale), si pensa a Montolivo (se la Fiorentina non entrasse in champions potrebbe cederlo per 15 mln) e, a Palombo jolly che farebbe non poco comodo, ma si caldeggia anche la pista Diarra (Real Madrid).

Ambrosini will leave, as well as Seedorf to allow us to convince Gourcuff to come back.
Choices: Montolivo from Fiorentina if they fail to be in Top 4 (15M), and Palombo or Diarra from Madrid (Lassana or Mahmadou ?)

ATTACCO: sicura la partenza di Sheva (torna al Chelsea per fine prestito), Borriello dovrebbe avere un'altra chance, ma se dovessero esserci buone offerte potrebbe entrare tra i cedibili o in qualche scambio (magari propio con la Roma per Mexes o Napoli per uno dei gioielli partenopiei Hamsik,Gargano o Santacroce), Kakà e Pato restano punti fermi, Ronaldinho semi-incedibile, rimane da capire cosa farà Inzaghi, perchè a prescindere da tutto quest'anno dovrebbe arrivare la tanto agoniata punta di "peso", i nomi sono pochi e costosi, Adebayor sembra essere l'indiziato, ma attenzione alla sorpresa Remì.

Sheva is sure to go (back in Chelsea).
Borriello should be given another chance, except if there are big offers or if we need him in negociations to have one of the players quoted (Mexes, Hamsik, Gargano or Santacroce).
Kaka' and Pato stay for sure. Ronaldinho is almost sure to stay too.
For Inzaghi, it depends on him.
Choices: Adebayor as first choice, but maybe the surprise Remi (who ? Remi from where ?)


So like I said, no source, everything may be false ...

Hate to ask, but whats TMW?

Anyways everything you quoted there seems very reasonable, maybe even to reasonable. Only thing i can think of is Adabayor, wouldn't want him at Milan, he's a disastor in Arsenal, can't see how we could let Borriello go and get Adabayor, he misses more sitters than Gila.

And whats up with Milan and buying players that have good games against us? Flamini, Adabayor were great against us when we played Arsenal. Ronaldinho was amazing when we played Barca, when he scored that crazy goal from the edge of the area.

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Also alot of those players would be absolutly ace. Clichy + one of the 3 defenders, Agger, Santacroce or Alex would have us set in defence for years. Montolivo, Palombo? Yes please.

For Palombo, to be honest, I didn't see him a lot of times and didn't notice if he played yesterday, nor how well he played if he did ...
Let's not forget there were also some reports of us wanting him on loan this winter just after the injury of Gattuso.

About TMW, it's Tuttomercatoweb, an Italian website.
And about their article, I think they live in a dreaming world with some of the prices they wrote ...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

About TMW, it's Tuttomercatoweb, an Italian website.
And about their article, I think they live in a dreaming world with some of the prices they wrote ...

Yea I see what you mean. It's more the nature of the targets i think is good. Instead of going after redicouless targets like Bojan or Sergio Aguero the targets seem to adress our needs a bit more.

Palombo did indeed play against us, and I think he had a good game, he's a defensive midfielder ala a younger Ambrosini.

Marchetti, Clichy, Santacroce, Palombo, Montolivo, Gourcuff, G.Rossi! Bring them in

Kaka To Real Madrid? With Perez As President Anything Is Possible - Galliani
The AC Milan chief admits that the future is not clear for his Brazilian maestro...
02-Mar-2009 7:35:08 PM
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AC Milan president, Adriano Galliani, has admitted today that if Florentino Perez were to take over at Real Madrid, Kaka could move there.

There have been reports of the former president using the Brazilian as his main tool for candidacy this summer, and this seems more and more likely with the words coming from the Milan president.

Galliani, who is known to be good friends with Perez, told Marca that he knows the man responsible for the Galatico era could do many things at Madrid.

"I have not spoken about Kaka, but I know that with the friends Florentino has, anything is possible," he mused.

"Florentino Perez is a great business man and a friend, and I do not say that about many leaders of clubs. I have seen him in the past year, despite the fact he has not been president."

Certainly a return for Perez seems to be the most likely outcome at the moment, with the former president topping plenty of opinion polls around Spain.

AC Milan president, Galliani admitted that he thinks he would be the best man for the job too.

"I cannot intervene in the matters of Real Madrid, but I do not think there would be a better outcome of the elections than to have Florentino as president," he declared.

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goal.com

If this story is true, and they do sell Kaka', then I hope Galliani and Berlusconi sell the club as well. I only hate a few human beings. Very few. But when Galliani says stuff like this, he is really trying to get in that club.

I really hope it's made up, much like the Goal story I just posted in the Gourcuff thread with Ancelotti saying his problem was psychological, but if not they better sell and go because they are ruining the club. There was a time when we would all laugh when Galliani said things but they turned out to be something else but it's not funny any more in my opinion.