whos a better player henry or shevchenko

Sheva is better. Of course that I think this because of Milan. hahahaha

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

I have to disagree with your list MK. For me Etoo and Ibrahimovic haven't proven anything yet, they are definately not above Henry, even though they are very good. Adriano also has alot to improve before his all round game is anywhere near Henry's. If you push Henry onto his right foot, he could still beat you or at the very least retain the ball. You push Adriano onto his right foot he'll probably kick the ball out for a throw or fall over. All the players you mention (aside from Shevchenko) are young strikers who have had one or two good seasons. Since Henry has been at Arsenal he's scored 20-30 goals a season nearly every season, none of those others can come close to that.

Everyone has there favourites, that's understandable. I would always want Shevchenko, but i still stand by the fact that for me, Henry would be the only other striker who could get involved in our team the way Shevchenko does.

i think etoo had some amazing seasons at mallorca before he got recognized properly and barca got him and he didnt dissapoint as he was easily their man of the season... as for adriano well like etoo and zlatan ive been following them closely eversince they burst onto the screen and from his time with fiorentina i could tell the guy would be a star and ever since he hasnt dissapointed at all... his seasons with parma were his best though with inter hes still their best player. zlatan from his time with ajax was similar to adriano only he scored much less, when he joined a bigger club he scored more, i think thats enough to make him one of the most lethal strikers out there, definatly better than henry.



muppy, if u think sheva is better then why did u vote for henry?

I can see your point MK, but what if Zlatan's first season was just a fluke and in his next few seasons goes back to scoring very little like he did with Ajax ?? The point i'm getting at is that Henry has consistently scored heavily in all the seasons he's been at Arsenal and in that respect, none of the others you mention can match that.

Although i admit one reason for that is because he is older and therefore had more time to do this

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

I can see your point MK, but what if Zlatan's first season was just a fluke and in his next few seasons goes back to scoring very little like he did with Ajax ?? The point i'm getting at is that Henry has consistently scored heavily in all the seasons he's been at Arsenal and in that respect, none of the others you mention can match that.

Although i admit one reason for that is because he is older and therefore had more time to do this

yes, plus i think etoo has scored a really good number of goals for several seasons in a league IMO that is harder than henrys so has adriano

yes, plus i think etoo has scored a really good number of goals for several seasons in a league IMO that is harder than henrys so has adriano

they have done well recently but i wonder how much better you think those leagues are than the EPL to cover the difference? I read (and this may be wrong but i doubt its wrong by much) that on average Henry has scored 26 a year and assisted 14. Zlatan and Etoo probably average half that much, which would mean their leagues have to be more than twice as strong as the EPL to make them better than Henry. Do you really see that much of a difference?

Also Henry, despite his reputation as a choker in Europe, has over 40 goals in Europe at a rate similar to Sheva's.

i think that italy and spain are much much much better than the epl but not twice as much... but thats not the right way to compare it... mentally, theres a much bigger chance of seeing henry flop in italy than the chances of sheva, zlatan, etoo, adriano in england IMO... personally i find it much easier for players to adapt to the epl than other leagues because i think its easier but thats just what i predict its not neccesserily true

I disagree about the strength of the leagues, if Liverpool can win the Champions League (though Milan should never have let them back into the game ) as well as putting out Juve but struggle all year in the EPL then i think it shows the leagues are a lot closer than that. The results between the top sides of all the major leagues were usually seperated by just 1 goal.

As for players adapting, its really hard to predict, i was sure Crespo and Veron would succeed in England but they didnt (Crespo has another chance to now) i wasnt as sure with Mutu but his record in Italy suggests he should have done a lot better than he did. Also it works the other way, Forlan was hopeless at Utd but finished his first season in Spain ahead of Etoo in the scoring charts (with the deadliest ratio in Spain belonging to "el killer" Michael Owen )

I do think Sheva, Adriano, Etoo and Zlatan would succeed in England as they are the best in their leagues but i also think the best in the EPL could succeed abroad, Henry, RvN and Rooney all have enough talent to do so.

sheva is far better than henry,sheva is more dedicated,honest and hard working player just look how is single handed he is taking UKRAIN to the world cup leading his group by seven points........

Originally Posted by Stezagud

I disagree about the strength of the leagues, if Liverpool can win the Champions League (though Milan should never have let them back into the game ) as well as putting out Juve but struggle all year in the EPL then i think it shows the leagues are a lot closer than that. The results between the top sides of all the major leagues were usually seperated by just 1 goal.

i think otherwise, liverpool had a great season, very lucky at times, im not gonna get into an argument on why i think italy and spain are better because this usually ends up in a huge mess, but i would like to point out that despite liverpools CL heroics, they still got 5th in the EPL, it just proves that they cannot fight on two fronts, while u always see milan, juve, inter, real, barca, valencia fight for both their league cups and the CL, besides in my book liverpool should be in the UEFA cup... the CL winners in the UEFA cup next year, doesnt that sound weird?

Originally Posted by Stezagud

As for players adapting, its really hard to predict, i was sure Crespo and Veron would succeed in England but they didnt (Crespo has another chance to now) i wasnt as sure with Mutu but his record in Italy suggests he should have done a lot better than he did. Also it works the other way, Forlan was hopeless at Utd but finished his first season in Spain ahead of Etoo in the scoring charts (with the deadliest ratio in Spain belonging to "el killer" Michael Owen )

I do think Sheva, Adriano, Etoo and Zlatan would succeed in England as they are the best in their leagues but i also think the best in the EPL could succeed abroad, Henry, RvN and Rooney all have enough talent to do so.

yeah well u cant tell can you? ... but i 'feel' that shev, adriano, etoo, and zlatan would top the scoring charts in england while henry, rvn and rooney would be maybe in 5th or 6th ... but its just a prediction

i think otherwise, liverpool had a great season, very lucky at times, im not gonna get into an argument on why i think italy and spain are better because this usually ends up in a huge mess, but i would like to point out that despite liverpools CL heroics, they still got 5th in the EPL, it just proves that they cannot fight on two fronts, while u always see milan, juve, inter, real, barca, valencia fight for both their league cups and the CL

It could be seen 2 ways though, either Liverpool cant compete in both competitions because they are weak or because the EPL is so physically demanding that their players cant cope. I agree with you that its the weakness of their squad that caused them problems domestically but if the EPL is so strong that Liverpool need their top 11 every game or they lose then thats a good sign for the league imo

yeah well u cant tell can you? ... but i 'feel' that shev, adriano, etoo, and zlatan would top the scoring charts in england while henry, rvn and rooney would be maybe in 5th or 6th ... but its just a prediction

true, we can only guess imho only Sheva could challenge Henry for top scorer Adriano is very much an english style centre forward so he would suit the defenders more than the rest, because of that i think he'd be most successful in Spain. As for Zlatan i cant see him getting 30+ in a season in any major league. That said i dont think Rooney will ever challenge the top scorers either, its not his game and its not Zlatans to be finishing things, they are creators rather than finishers..

Etoo im not sure of though, i cant decide how much his goals are down to his individual brilliance rather than the team of suppliers he has (Ronaldinho, Deco, Guily, Xavi.......) that is probably the best back up any striker in the world has so for him to not top score in Spain with all that help makes me doubt him slightly.

yeah well henry hasnt been short of good ball suppliers as well... etoo has done it even with mallorca and with cameroon, hes definatly better than henry for me

Originally Posted by mk18

yeah well henry hasnt been short of good ball suppliers as well... etoo has done it even with mallorca and with cameroon, hes definatly better than henry for me

Oh sure, Henry hasn't been short of ball suppliers but are you forgetting that Henry himself is a constant ball supplier? Plus, Henry doesn't tend to rely on ball supply as RvN does (RvN is just an example), he creates great chances himself.

I don't think you can "prove" EPL's defense is weaker than Serie A's or La Liga's, although I DO beleive that myself. But take Crespo for example. He's lived glory in Serie A yet failed to impress in EPL. Or Diego Forlan, who couldn't gain consistensey in EPL but bloomed in La Liga. So now can you say that EPL's Defenders are better and made it harder for these two players to score? No.

I personally beleive that it's the style of play that dominates a players ability to succeed in different leagues. and because it's so hard to compare style of plays (CL never offers CLEAR comparisons because results vary each year), only long, consistent periods of dominance (AC Milan in 1990s) can show clear dominance.

But even though AC Milan dominated 3 years of Champion's league, it's still unfair to say that ALL of Serie A is better than ALL of EPL. Hence, you don't say that.

That's why I compared both players styles and abilities... and that's why I think Henry is a better player, but not a better striker

besides in my book liverpool should be in the UEFA cup

MK, all I'm gonna say is that they have a right to defend their title. Do you honestly beleive that because Liverpool didn't gain consistency early in the league you can take away their right to defend a title that they rightfully won? That Liverpool can no longer prove that they are the world's supposed best?

yeah well henry hasnt been short of good ball suppliers as well... etoo has done it even with mallorca and with cameroon, hes definatly better than henry for me

I just cant see Etoo as better, he has a good record undoubtably but for me Henry is on a different level.....we'll just have to agree to disagree on this

MK, all I'm gonna say is that they have a right to defend their title. Do you honestly beleive that because Liverpool didn't gain consistency early in the league you can take away their right to defend a title that they rightfully won? That Liverpool can no longer prove that they are the world's supposed best?

true, i wouldnt have wanted Liverpool to be in at the expense of Everton as they deserved their place after battling all season for it, both teams had a strong case for being in the competition and its only fair they both get the chance.

Originally Posted by XZeRo3003

Oh sure, Henry hasn't been short of ball suppliers but are you forgetting that Henry himself is a constant ball supplier? Plus, Henry doesn't tend to rely on ball supply as RvN does (RvN is just an example), he creates great chances himself.

I don't think you can "prove" EPL's defense is weaker than Serie A's or La Liga's, although I DO beleive that myself. But take Crespo for example. He's lived glory in Serie A yet failed to impress in EPL. Or Diego Forlan, who couldn't gain consistensey in EPL but bloomed in La Liga. So now can you say that EPL's Defenders are better and made it harder for these two players to score? No.

I personally beleive that it's the style of play that dominates a players ability to succeed in different leagues. and because it's so hard to compare style of plays (CL never offers CLEAR comparisons because results vary each year), only long, consistent periods of dominance (AC Milan in 1990s) can show clear dominance.

But even though AC Milan dominated 3 years of Champion's league, it's still unfair to say that ALL of Serie A is better than ALL of EPL. Hence, you don't say that.

That's why I compared both players styles and abilities... and that's why I think Henry is a better player, but not a better striker



MK, all I'm gonna say is that they have a right to defend their title. Do you honestly beleive that because Liverpool didn't gain consistency early in the league you can take away their right to defend a title that they rightfully won? That Liverpool can no longer prove that they are the world's supposed best?

i already discussed the what u said with steza before so im not gonna answer it once more


as for liverpool... im pretty sure theyd be knocked out much much much earlier if all the teams did what they did... not to give a damn about the league and focus only on the CL, they did it the risky way and it payed off... if milan had given up on the scudetto much more earlier they would have probably won the CL with total ease... to me liverpool are the european best, u have around 20 other teams that fight for 2 even 3 trophies and sometimes manage to get them all or atleast in the top 3 while liverpool only focused on the CL... rules are rules so why change it?? ... liverpool perfectly knew that being 5th in the league they would play in the UEFA cup so maybe they should thought twice... the UEFA were too nice IMO

My top 3 :

Ronaldinho, Gerrard, Adriano

Sheva and Henry (and Kaka) and definately up there though.

My thoughts on those 2 are:
1) Sheva is the better all around player and better team player
2) Henry is a better solo player and direct scorer.

If I could only sign 1 of the 2, it would be Sheva.

Both guys are classy, both are hard workers and great players, both individually and for their team. It's a tough choice. Henry's size is a little of a concern as he gets older and may lose some speed. Plus, as you get older, those bruises/injuries add up.