Cris and Diarra would be dream signings

Originally Posted by zlatanov

that's quite funny coming from a guy who lives in his own world and sees things that just don't exist - remember, "all those people, who say everything is OK" when absolutely no one has said that, no one out of hundreds of forum mebers. Good luck coming to terms with all those disturbing images in your head.
And it seems to me you know all too well the benefits of visiting a good psychiatrist. Something tells me that you could recommend a whole bunch of pretty good ones to people ... but for now refrain from doing that and just go on visiting them, see, things might work out for you ... eventually. Good luck with that.
P.S. And next time you run out of arguments, try not to make it so obvious.

You are a bit of a lunatic, you know that? So you are not a staunch supporter of "everythink is fine, nothing is wrong" pack? Well, let's see that: what kind of things Zlatanov always says when someone talks about new players? 'No no, that player is much young and inexperienced, he's not ready yet to succeed on prime level' (like Messi, Rooney or Schweinsteiger for instance?); 'no no, that player is much expensive' (oh, and Milan is a poor side that cannot afford huge sums of money!); 'no no, that player is unproved on Serie A' (well, Van Basten, Platini, Kaká, Sheva, etc, etc, etc, all of them were 'unproved' on that regard before coming to Italy...). Insomma: everytime someone talks about getting new players, Zlatonov comes with some kind of argument to be against it. And if he's against bringing new faces to Milan, one must logically conclude that everything with Milan is fine to him, isn't it?!?!?!?

Guys, I am not a MOD, but still I'd like to ask you to use your arguments, that's fine, but don't call each other names...

Thanks...

oh, and speaking of the "everything is fine" club... please read top of my avatar...

Originally Posted by SANT

oh, and speaking of the "everything is fine" club... please read top of my avatar...

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he he... glad you like it... cheers...

Originally Posted by GRE-NO-LI

1. So you are not a staunch supporter of "everythink is fine, nothing is wrong" pack?

2. 'No no, that player is much young and inexperienced, he's not ready yet to succeed on prime level' (like Messi, Rooney or Schweinsteiger for instance?);

3. 'no no, that player is much expensive' (oh, and Milan is a poor side that cannot afford huge sums of money!);

4. 'no no, that player is unproved on Serie A' (well, Van Basten, Platini, Kaká, Sheva, etc, etc, etc, all of them were 'unproved' on that regard before coming to Italy...).

1. A pack that only exist in your mind.

2. A valid concern all to often. That you mention possibly the three most highly rated youngsters doesn't change the fact that many young player bomb or can't stand the pressure. Of the three players you mentioned only one was transfered so I don't see your argument here. I can list hundreds of counterexamples of youths that failed or didn't turn out to be what was expected of them.

3. Valid if it is a overprice, I see no use in us paying a overprice unless the player is one to take our squad to another level (read: Ronaldinho).

4. The proven in serie A argument is maybe the hardest one of them all. Just like in general it is seen that Spanish players don't succed in Italy it can be that it was just the wrong Spanish players coming here. But I would say it is just as much changing team as changing league.

Originally Posted by sam_3

kris here is the exact figure for viera = 13.5 million pounds, for emerson 14 million pounds, they also baught the rest of cameronesi's contract for 2 million pounds, and ibrahimovic was 10.8 million pounds. and not to mention how much they buaght the rest of chillini's contract (but it was a very small amount)

so the figures weren't way off they were the closest to my memory but here they are in exact figures from skysports. and the exact figures aren't way off except maybe for nesta. so maybe they will represent my idea better now.

The difference between you and me here is that I use my memory and you se a source which I find dubious. Emerson was for less than 15M€ (maybe as little as 11M€), which is less than what you stated. I checked old talk about it... The thing is that Brighi was in the deal which may put on that skewed figure you got. Let me add that you forgot more players, but my point is just to point out that you where wrong on several accounts.

Originally Posted by GRE-NO-LI

And if he's against bringing new faces to Milan, one must logically conclude that everything with Milan is fine to him, isn't it?!?!?!?

Yeah, if I don't wanna see Milan flush 40 mil euros for an unproven player like Torres or play a 17 yo Vanden Borre at right back, then I am against Milan buying ANY OTHER player in general. Hence, I am part of the "everything is OK" pack.
Yeaaah, your "logical" conclusion is bulletproof, can't argue with that, it just beats me hands down. Let me venture a guess - you would be the logic champ in a village with population of 1, right? Well, now that I gave it a second thought, I am not so sure anymore.
As for the rest, it makes as much sense as the part I quoted above, plus, I guess, kris flushed your pompous talk down the drain already, so I don't see any reason to add anything.
And that 1st point kris made, give it a bit more thought for it will give you a better idea who's the lunatic and who's not.

Originally Posted by kris

2. A valid concern all to often. That you mention possibly the three most highly rated youngsters doesn't change the fact that many young player bomb or can't stand the pressure. Of the three players you mentioned only one was transfered so I don't see your argument here. I can list hundreds of counterexamples of youths that failed or didn't turn out to be what was expected of them.

But if we don't try who do we know what will happen? Every great player was once only a promising youngster.

Originally Posted by kris

3. Valid if it is a overprice, I see no use in us paying a overprice unless the player is one to take our squad to another level (read: Ronaldinho).

But I'm not talking about buying overprice players, come on! But if you wanna get talented players you will need to pay for them, and calciomercato on the highest level is unfortunatelly nowadays a millionaire one. Cases like that envolving the purchase of Kaká are exceptions, 'cause almost ever you only great players paying large amounts of money.

Originally Posted by kris

4. The proven in serie A argument is maybe the hardest one of them all. Just like in general it is seen that Spanish players don't succed in Italy it can be that it was just the wrong Spanish players coming here. But I would say it is just as much changing team as changing league.

But who's talking about spanish players only?!? I insist on that point: every player is necessarily 'unproved' on Serie A until he comes to play on that league!

Originally Posted by kris

The difference between you and me here is that I use my memory and you se a source which I find dubious. Emerson was for less than 15M€ (maybe as little as 11M€), which is less than what you stated. I checked old talk about it... The thing is that Brighi was in the deal which may put on that skewed figure you got. Let me add that you forgot more players, but my point is just to point out that you where wrong on several accounts.

sorry kris but i really can't c why u c skysports as a dubious source but ur memory is a valid source. normal peopel don't have access to your memory they only have access to news agencies to get figures.

the players i forgot were kaka and stam and zlatanov added them.

It seems ridiculious to me that information from ur memeroy is suppose to be correct but figures from the news are wrong.



but we are getting distracted here from the real issue and the true point i wanted to make. the point is juventus has been spending big in the market and that helped them in their quest of trophies, which contradicts the theory that juve don't spend anything and win.

Originally Posted by sam_3

but we are getting distracted here from the real issue and the true point i wanted to make. the point is juventus has been spending big in the market and that helped them in their quest of trophies, which contradicts the theory that juve don't spend anything and win.

I am gonna use the figures from my memo about those transfers and see if they, Juve, have really spent that much more than us over the past 3-4 years. The figures I remeber are pretty close to the ones you got, only problem is I am not sure if some of the older transfers were in euros or US $ but back then they were close to 1:1, so that shouldn't matter much.

Juve: Emerson (20 mil) + Viera (20 mil) + Cannavaro (4 mil) + Ibra (15 mil) + Legrotaglie (~4 mil) + Appiah (6-7 mil) + Camoranesi (loan made permanent for 4 mil) ~ 73-74 mil

Milan: Nesta (30 mil) + Gila (24 mil) + Stam (8.5 mil) + Kaka (8.5 mil) + Janku (8 mil) ~ 79 mil

So, as we can see both clubs spent more or less the same amount on transfers for the last 3-4 years. In fact, we could well be slightly ahead in that aspect but such "small" differences are hardly relevent in this case. Any comments?

Originally Posted by SANT

Muntari was or is with Udinese, right?

Gre-no-li, I thought about the attacking midfielder, but couldn't think of one... not just one that I like... but one who could be available and fit well... and I know someone will say Ballack... but I don't see that happening...

i think best signings would be lugano or alex,and that young lad from benfica nelson.and attacking mid. messi -he is young,already shown that he has outstanding talent,young and can play as attacking mid. and forward.
EL REGNO DEL DIAVOLI

Messi is really a powerful player, but now is out of our reach, unfortunatelly...

Zlatanov, it seems from what u and i have that juve and us have been equal in the market. We both spent big. and that is what i want to make a point of. juve spent big in the market wich contradicts the stereotype that juve win with out spending.

You're right, of course Juventus spent big, only a loonie will deny that.

With Diarra, the deal is that we wait for somebody else with balls to make an offer e.g. Chelsea, Man U or Juve which inflates his price by a multiple of 94, then we end up buying Cris who will be 30 next f****** year! Our policy is so predictable.

By the way, Galliani is approaching Lyon for both players for a reason. He knows that Cris is only good because he has the world's best DM protecting him: Diarra.