All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

Originally Posted by Graeme C

The questions i think are arround 2 seria A Games this season where juve "requested" refs... read maybe Messina and Milan(away)? what i dont understand is how it is a conflict of interests for Galliani to do things for Milan, but its ok for juve to buy Innocenzo Mazzini - the Italian Federation VP a Maserati... ?

And Juve lost against Milan and drew against Messina. If this is why Moggi requests the refs, then Moggi, please STOP !@

seedorfs ban was reduced because the messina player slapped him first, and the game was more like a rugby match.....

U missed out Lazio's second goal being denied, and Dabo being sent off....

against Cagliari juve scored in the 6th min of extra time, doesnt add up...

i bet the siena players were told, we only playing 80 mins this week guys, the director is getting another maserati....

Originally Posted by Tony 29

And Juve lost against Milan and drew against Messina. If this is why Moggi requests the refs, then Moggi, please STOP !@

i think it was milan at turin, so it would be away for us....

Originally Posted by Tony 29

And Juve lost against Milan and drew against Messina. If this is why Moggi requests the refs, then Moggi, please STOP !@

Well, sometimes, when the dif in class is just too much or Juve are just plain crap (the messina game) even help from the refs isn't enough ... otherwise, it might get a bit too obvious ... even for Serie A's standarts for "obvious, under the table business"

Last yerar in devisive match milan-juve it was clear penalty when zambrotta pullet Cafu's shirt, also, in first leg juve-milan, it was a penalty on crespo.
Juve also got points against Cagliari,Lazio,Parma,Udinese and it was all STOLEN! just like last year when juve simply bought the scudetto. simple as that, to beat Juve you need to be twice as good or else thinsg will get " weird " and the refs will start making " mistakes ". 2003-2004 Milan was class above roma and juve, in the past 2 seqasons juve was simply disgusting to watch, clear mafia stlye. JUVE=MAFIA

Originally Posted by Graeme C

seedorfs ban was reduced because the messina player slapped him first, and the game was more like a rugby match.....

U missed out Lazio's second goal being denied, and Dabo being sent off....

against Cagliari juve scored in the 6th min of extra time, doesnt add up...

i bet the siena players were told, we only playing 80 mins this week guys, the director is getting another maserati....

Yes Lazio.. i forgot it. The goal was clear, the red card clear also. But it still stands that there wouldn't have been a red card if the goal was allowed.
If i was a referee i would have allowed the goal, but according to the rules, that goal should have been disallowed ( stupid rule, i agree)
The same thing happened in Milan-Juve CL final when Sheva's goal was disallowed.
The case is, one Lazio player who was in offside ( but he didn't touch the ball, i agree) was marking Abbiati. Stupid rule, but it stands as a rule

Cagliari. There was 5 minutes extra time, and the goal was scored in 94:52 ( believe me on this , i have it on tape).
I saw here that some of you were complaining about the 5 minutes ET given. Well, if you could have seen how much time Cagliari's players spent on the grass , acting injured, the ref should have given at least 8 minutes extra time.

Siena : Agree. Fishy thing !

We talked about those matches you mentioned and clearly pointed that we didnt like to win matches that way( i remember the reggina match, most of all). I dont know if in Juve forums they can say that tehy dont like their team winning or tiying macthes with such things, i dont know because ive never been into one. All i know is that if they did, they would have a lot to talk about.
Who ever is free of sin, may throw the first stone.

Originally Posted by mrki

Last yerar in devisive match milan-juve it was clear penalty when zambrotta pullet Cafu's shirt, also, in first leg juve-milan, it was a penalty on crespo.
Juve also got points against Cagliari,Lazio,Parma,Udinese and it was all STOLEN! just like last year when juve simply bought the scudetto. simple as that, to beat Juve you need to be twice as good or else thinsg will get " weird " and the refs will start making " mistakes ". 2003-2004 Milan was class above roma and juve, in the past 2 seqasons juve was simply disgusting to watch, clear mafia stlye. JUVE=MAFIA

If you ask a Lecce fan he will say that Juve+Milan =Mafia.

How was Cagliari stolen people? Penalty for Cagliari, and was that really a penalty? If the ref was on Juve's side he wouldn't have given a penalty for Cagliari, would he ?
Nothing was stolen against Parma. Juve missed more than 10 chances and even missed a penalty. We got 1 point from that match, and we certanly deserved it with our play.
Lazio..... yes, unlucky for Lazio, but not stolen though, because exactly 14 offsides were called on Ibra and Trez. 5 of them were so close and if the ref wanted Juve to score , he would have let the game continue.

Udinese... as i said, not deserved for Juve, and you may even call these 3 points stolen.

It was Collina in Milan-Juve last year, and it was certanly not stolen win for Juve. That call was 50-50, and he decided not to give a penalty. He wouldn't have made a mistake if he allowed it, but he didn't make a mistake for not giving penalty.

Originally Posted by Tony 29

If you ask a Lecce fan he will say that Juve+Milan =Mafia.

Oh yeah, I've talked to fans of smaller Serie A sides who are accusing not only Juve but also Milan and Inter of fixing matches. There is undoubtedly a shady side of Italian football, and in some ways it is odd that the top 3 always consists of Milan, Inter and Juve (no matter who actually wins the league). There were two years of Roman dominance, when Lazio and Roma won the league, but except for these two teams, only Milan and Juve have won the league in the last 10-15 years.

Then again, it's always Barca or Real in Spain.

You realize that every last macth you won has to be explained ny you? if so many weird things wherent happening, you shouldnt be explaining anything. You wont find so many strange things in Milan matches as they are in Juve's.

interestingly, it comes out only when 2 matches day left. I doubt if this will lead to anything significant.

Originally Posted by pa7uel

You realize that every last macth you won has to be explained ny you? if so many weird things wherent happening, you shouldnt be explaining anything. You wont find so many strange things in Milan matches as they are in Juve's.

If i kill 8 innocent people and you kill only 4, then it doesn't make you less innocent than me !
I'm explaining those matches because some of you mentioned them ! And i still don't get what was so suspicious in Cagliari match ? You're continuing with searching for a smelly thing where you can't find one. It's the same as i say: Wow, Messina got 3 red cards against Milan. Stolen !!
And we all know that those Messina players deserved jail for some of their kicks.
People, if i start looking into some Inter or Juve forums i will find 100's of "mistakes" in Milan's favour, but we all know it's all crap, just as most of the accusations on Juve are !

To change the subject : I just read that Diarra said he's not going in Milan
If he really won't come then it's great for the rest of us, but if he comes.. upsss.
Nah, we're getting Cristiano Ronaldo, so you can take Diarra

Tony: I saw here that some of you were complaining about the 5 minutes ET given. Well, if you could have seen how much time Cagliari's players spent on the grass , acting injured, the ref should have given at least 8 minutes extra time.

I think in that case there wasn't supposed to be a corner in the first place...

I think it's insulting to even argue on this issue... Juve bought this last two scudettos and that's it, nothing much to talk about. It's like argue with someone if Hitler was good or bad... The amount of so called " incidents" and mistakes in Juve's favor is so high that it's ridiculous even to argue about it. Match after match u have this controversial "mistakes" that some how in Juve's favor... and on how many occasions Juve got a free penalties over nothing? And penalties that supposed to be given to their opponents, I'm talking about clear fouls made by juve in the penalty box and still overlooked by the refs...
For example we played Juve in to highly important matches this and last seasons, Juve had two hand-balls and one shirt-pulling over Cafu in the penalty box... how many penalties did we get??? NONE... is it a little bit weird? And what about that Sheva's good goal dissalowed against Juve B (Siena) last season, or this nonsense of restricting Reggina from playing on their home ground in a match that can decide the outcome of the whole season... what the hell Galliani is doing? why doesn't he stop this???
And except that Juve plays like complete sh*t, the fact that they will be the champions it's a disgrace to football.

there are now clear evidence about Juve cheating and fixing matches... SEND MOGGI,GIRAULDO TO JAIL,AND JUVE TO SERIE C2!! that needs to be done in here. nothing less,nothing more. Take away stolen scudettos and dont give it to onone,we dont want them!

And, zambrotta on cafu was not 50-50, it was 100% penalty. Pulling shirt is a faul, it was in the box so its a penalty. When juve played against Parma away, when the score was 1-1 it was aslo a penalty on Corrady by Cannavaro. i forgot it.

Originally Posted by The-Fan

I think in that case there wasn't supposed to be a corner in the first place....

Hi Sach22. As you can see, there is always something you can find to comfor yourselves, and i will never convince you otherwise. And what about Cagliari's penalty on the same match. Zambrotta kicked the ball , not Langella's leg, but still it was a penalty for Cagliari.
Cagliari passed the midfield only once and they scored through very suspicious penalty

Originally Posted by The-Fan

Juve bought this last two scudettos and that's it, nothing much to talk about.....

I believe the word i should use here is: Argumentative !

Originally Posted by The-Fan

and on how many occasions Juve got a free penalties over nothing?

Give me 3 such ungiven penalties, please

Originally Posted by The-Fan

And penalties that supposed to be given to their opponents, I'm talking about clear fouls made by juve in the penalty box and still overlooked by the refs...

And give me 2 such cases here, please

Originally Posted by The-Fan

or this nonsense of restricting Reggina from playing on their home ground in a match that can decide the outcome of the whole season... what the hell Galliani is doing? why doesn't he stop this???.

And who do you think gave that ban to Reggina ?

Originally Posted by The-Fan

And except that Juve plays like complete sh*t, the fact that they will be the champions it's a disgrace to football.

You're giving your judgment over the last month and a half. It's the same as i say, Milan played like sh*t before New year, and if they become champions it will be a disgrace.
Accept that Juve was by far the best before their bad run came, and if they win it, it will be well deserved. Just as if Milan wins it- well deserved, because they have overtaken Juve, eventhough they were 14 points behind.