The return of Sheva?

Originally Posted by Egoistka

We are bigger than one player??? We have more class? What class do you see now? I see that kind of class that can take us to Seria B. And when Sheva was in Milan we were not in such a danger. Milan did not make him a superstar...Milan gave him a ground to become one. Because if you are nothing and have no skills - it doesnt really matter where you play - you not going to become a superstar. And he did do a lot for Milan. As for his decision to leave - family should be on the first plays - always. Are you married? Seems like you not. And I m married and know what i am talking about. Football career is good, but its not for the whole life - and family is. So his choice is an understandable one. I was very upset too, I am still upset that he gone, but I would never say anything like you have just said.
And whatever your attitude to him now, whatever anger and sadness and whatever you feel else - but you should realize that if he comes back - he ll take us out of that sh** situation where we are now. Please do have some respect for those who made us win so many games, who did magic things etc.

your just saying that cause he moved to london , so you can see him more lmao

NO NO NO... he wanted chelsea now he better stay there. I don't want him back now, and btw this news is bullocks invented by Silvio.

Originally Posted by Egoistka

So why do you hate him? Sheva is a human being, he has his priorities and weaknesses.

Cant say i hate him, i am gratefull for what he did. But... why i and many others dont want him back? Just because he LIED to all us fans, without a shame. He changed the club when he was really needed. He kissed the chelsea shirt on his first match (fist english lesson learned maybe?).

He has priorities, he has weaknesses... - but hell, backstabbing is something i will not tolerate. He could be quiet about being like maldini, he could say earlier he wants to try out some new league, he could say he wants new challenge in his life after 7 years (understandable), he could give a hint he wants to learn english with natives (lol), he could say he wants some trophies after 3 years. But he didnt... instead he was promising a lot and then suddenly ran away and left us staring wide. No love for that kind of guy, sorry.

It may be good for Milan to get him back. But Muri wont let him anyway, and i believe we can get better younger players for less money (i know i know, we will prolly go after ronaldo, lol). Currently im just sad our management didnt swap him for drogba when they had a chance...

Originally Posted by peters

Cant say i hate him, i am gratefull for what he did. But... why i and many others dont want him back? Just because he LIED to all us fans, without a shame. He changed the club when he was really needed. He kissed the chelsea shirt on his first match (fist english lesson learned maybe?).

He has priorities, he has weaknesses... - but hell, backstabbing is something i will not tolerate. He could be quiet about being like maldini, he could say earlier he wants to try out some new league, he could say he wants new challenge in his life after 7 years (understandable), he could give a hint he wants to learn english with natives (lol), he could say he wants some trophies after 3 years. But he didnt... instead he was promising a lot and then suddenly ran away and left us staring wide. No love for that kind of guy, sorry.

It may be good for Milan to get him back. But Muri wont let him anyway, and i believe we can get better younger players for less money (i know i know, we will prolly go after ronaldo, lol). Currently im just sad our management didnt swap him for drogba when they had a chance...

Unfortunately they all lie...Galliani, Berlusconi, Kaka...all of them. There is nothing we can do about it. Hate them all? Well thats probably not the best idea either. Although i dont like their lies too.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Sorry to pick on you Oksana, but i feel like i'm at nursery school reading your posts. Why the big font?

I do however agree that given our current league position, we should at least think about relegation. To not even consider it smacks of outrageous arrogance.

Fonts and colour express my mood..sorry if it s irritating. I can change it to normal if you want.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Sorry to pick on you Oksana, but i feel like i'm at nursery school reading your posts. Why the big font?

I do however agree that given our current league position, we should at least think about relegation. To not even consider it smacks of outrageous arrogance.

"Outrageously arrogant?" I'm sorry, but we have to be somewhat realistic here. This is November we are talking about, not April. Sure, we have had a string of bad results plus the minus eight that has put us in the bottom five, but to think that we will be relegated, in November, is in itself absolutely outrageous. Just like Inter or Palermo thinking that they will be crowned serie a champs for being number 1 this month.

The season's got a long way to go, Jim. You and I both know we are not going to be relegated. We have too much quality for that. THe only question is how much of the season we can salvage. Our objectives have changed quite quickly from Scudetto to Top four finish and now maybe a midtable finish. I'm still holding out for a top four finish and a CL spot for next year. All we need to do is put a good run of results together, 3-4 consecutive wins and we are out of trouble. And who knows, if we can move up the table swiftly by Christmas, we could also be in the running for the title---INter are destined to collapse, Palermo and Roma dont have enough quality. So who knows? I for one am still optimistic about this season.

I agree rt9. We are in trouble, and although we have problems, I think our problems are very "weird". I say 'weird' because the football that we play right now may not be perfect as I agree it can be a lot better, but it certainly deserves to be in the top quarter of the table. I believe that we will get out of this, and come January we will be running for the CL big time.
And then, with a healthy squad and a few reinforcements who knows what can happen. Let's keep faith.
Forza Milan!

Originally Posted by nefremo

I agree rt9. We are in trouble, and although we have problems, I think our problems are very "weird". I say 'weird' because the football that we play right now may not be perfect as I agree it can be a lot better, but it certainly deserves to be in the top quarter of the table. I believe that we will get out of this, and come January we will be running for the CL big time.
And then, with a healthy squad and a few reinforcements who knows what can happen. Let's keep faith.
Forza Milan!

I totally agree. I think we played a good game against Roma, but we were really unlucky. And sooner or later we will start winning again, hopefully as early as next weekend. We are bound to.

And honestly, I don't think we need Sheva. Let him rot in Chelsea. I was a Milanista when he came, and I was a Milanista when he left. In my eyes he was a great player for us, but not a symbol of Milan.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Sorry to pick on you Oksana, but i feel like i'm at nursery school reading your posts. Why the big font?

I do however agree that given our current league position, we should at least think about relegation. To not even consider it smacks of outrageous arrogance.

I think that to consider it is in the twillight zone. I find the prospect of me being kidnapped by aliens as a far more pressing concern.

I would love to have him back. The team is much more than any player. Thus is the right one for this specific situation.

Originally Posted by rt9

"Outrageously arrogant?" I'm sorry, but we have to be somewhat realistic here. This is November we are talking about, not April. Sure, we have had a string of bad results plus the minus eight that has put us in the bottom five, but to think that we will be relegated, in November, is in itself absolutely outrageous. Just like Inter or Palermo thinking that they will be crowned serie a champs for being number 1 this month.

The season's got a long way to go, Jim. You and I both know we are not going to be relegated. We have too much quality for that. THe only question is how much of the season we can salvage. Our objectives have changed quite quickly from Scudetto to Top four finish and now maybe a midtable finish. I'm still holding out for a top four finish and a CL spot for next year. All we need to do is put a good run of results together, 3-4 consecutive wins and we are out of trouble. And who knows, if we can move up the table swiftly by Christmas, we could also be in the running for the title---INter are destined to collapse, Palermo and Roma dont have enough quality. So who knows? I for one am still optimistic about this season.

Well, yes, i agree...Milan has many games to play, but if nothing changes within the team, if we do not get any new players in January...then we should really think about Serie B. Our present performance doesnt look like Milan performance anymore...coach in Total Club Manager would say: "You play like a bunch of ballerinas" or "You play like a pub team"...Its exaggeration, of course...but the truth is that Milan doesnt show that beautifull football anymore. We canot afford losing anymore matches, but I dont see anything that would make us win even the next one against Empoli, although I truly believe that we ll, I very much hope so.
I think in this situation, whether you like it or not, Sheva seems to be the only one who can help us and there are several reasons for that:
1. Sheva knows the team, he doesnt need time to addapt
2. Sheva knows all the teams in Seria A, all the players strengths and weaknesses
3. Sheva and Kaka played very well together, that is a fact
4. Sheva acould have his ups and downs, but he scored all the time (more or less goals, but he didnt have that long "0-goal" period)
If we bring a new player, especially from other countries, they ll have to adapt to the team first. Unlikly that they ll start scoring immidiately. They ll have to learn how other teams play, learn players weaknesses and strengths. It all takes time that we dont have. So in this angle, do you guys agree that Sheva would be the best choice for us in this situation?

Originally Posted by Egoistka

So in this angle, do you guys agree that Sheva would be the best choice for us in this situation?

I agree "in this angle", those points u wrote are true. You just skipped some minuses in it. First of all, it would cost us alot of money, alot of money that was nowhere to be seen in transfer period (so in reaction, buying sheva would mean no defence solutions which would still suck). Second, we need to renovate our squad. We could even pull back others that left this summer, they are much needed. But there comes time when we need to change older players and start building our future on younger ones. We should do that step-by-step, but we waited too long with that and it was almost guaranteed it will hit us back someday.

So yes, buying sheva might even save this season... but on the long run it could only postpone it to the next year.

football is a business. fans of big teams with deep pockets get spoiled...how many great players has milan brought up through their own youth system?

it seems we bring in good players from smaller teams, by giving them the $$$. then by having a bunch of good players, and fielding superior teams, we can then offer the allure of tropheys.

players get offered more $$$ and they take it. big deal. thats business. it happens in every team sport across the globe. just be glad he didnt leave for inter or juve, or another italian team...heck, he moved to another country.

Players like maldini are very rare...thats why he is loved and respected as much as he is...i believe sheva is a good person at heart, i saw him actually crying in the stand at the san siro last year, he wanted to try something new, got paid a boat load of cash...

the players you dont want on your team are the ones that:
1) have troubles off the pitch - arrests, drugs, locker room killers..ect.
2) have big mouths that get them in trouble and help the opposition - saying such and such a player or such and such a team suck.

it is not like sheva left mid season...he actually left early in the transfer window, providing milan with ample opportunity to find a replacement, with many quality strikers on the market.

if he played poorly for a season and a half with only a couple non-significant goals, or no CL goals, i think we would be calling for his head (sorry couldnt help the reference)

if milan could get him back at 1/2 price, i would say it would be a fantastic deal. However, chelsea rarely gives up even decent players without a fight. i think they would sign every player in the world if they could...

I have said it before and I will say it again. We did well to cash in on him, we should have replaced him. Hopefully Oliveira will justify the enourmous fee we paid for him.

Originally Posted by peters

I agree "in this angle", those points u wrote are true. You just skipped some minuses in it. First of all, it would cost us alot of money, alot of money that was nowhere to be seen in transfer period (so in reaction, buying sheva would mean no defence solutions which would still suck). Second, we need to renovate our squad. We could even pull back others that left this summer, they are much needed. But there comes time when we need to change older players and start building our future on younger ones. We should do that step-by-step, but we waited too long with that and it was almost guaranteed it will hit us back someday.

So yes, buying sheva might even save this season... but on the long run it could only postpone it to the next year.

Yes, you are right as well. But in fact, we are not in the position for changes and renewals of our team, as we are in danger of not going to the CL next year, and as a consequence losing Kaka, maybe even going to Serie B. So that is not the best time to try something new. And what if it doesnt work...then we ll lose a lot more money, then just Sheva's price. So this is save and almost certain to succeed solution. I dont see any other to help us out of this situation.

Originally Posted by icculus

football is a business. fans of big teams with deep pockets get spoiled...how many great players has milan brought up through their own youth system?

it seems we bring in good players from smaller teams, by giving them the $$$. then by having a bunch of good players, and fielding superior teams, we can then offer the allure of tropheys.

players get offered more $$$ and they take it. big deal. thats business. it happens in every team sport across the globe. just be glad he didnt leave for inter or juve, or another italian team...heck, he moved to another country.

Players like maldini are very rare...thats why he is loved and respected as much as he is...i believe sheva is a good person at heart, i saw him actually crying in the stand at the san siro last year, he wanted to try something new, got paid a boat load of cash...

the players you dont want on your team are the ones that:
1) have troubles off the pitch - arrests, drugs, locker room killers..ect.
2) have big mouths that get them in trouble and help the opposition - saying such and such a player or such and such a team suck.

it is not like sheva left mid season...he actually left early in the transfer window, providing milan with ample opportunity to find a replacement, with many quality strikers on the market.

if he played poorly for a season and a half with only a couple non-significant goals, or no CL goals, i think we would be calling for his head (sorry couldnt help the reference)

if milan could get him back at 1/2 price, i would say it would be a fantastic deal. However, chelsea rarely gives up even decent players without a fight. i think they would sign every player in the world if they could...

Well, Sheva was quite expensive, so maybe they ll consider letting him back to get their money back. But I really do not believe that we can get him for half of a price.

And about the players we would not want to have in our team...we definately do not want Materazzi style players too...

Originally Posted by K77SH C

I have said it before and I will say it again. We did well to cash in on him, we should have replaced him. Hopefully Oliveira will justify the enourmous fee we paid for him.

Unfortunately for RO, he came to the team, which has a lot of problems at the moment. So it is harder for him to addapt, then if we were in our normal condition. So he might be not bad...but the whole situation in Milan, with his sister and that he rarely gets a chance to play - he might not show his full potential this year and just wil be rented by some club.