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Old 21-06-2007, 12:27   #31

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snake4life: The lawyers quoted indicate that Inter face the most serious potential charges, while all the other clubs included, face nothing more than a fine...so please, stop comparing apples with rotten grapes...

Oh,and Tony29 is a Juve fan, though he could be mistaken for a Milan tifosi!
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:28   #32

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Sorry bud but your team is also being investigated, and to be honest, the courts probbably wont be as lenient due to the fact you are coming off of a penalized season. You should sell your 3 only good players, kaka gattusso and seedorf. And give the rest of your team to juve so they can get relegated, again!!
Inter are in the most trouble, as they couldn't even participate.

I don't think anything will happen to them, but if there are to be punishments, they will face the most severe consequences.
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:32   #33

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Sorry bud but your team is also being investigated, and to be honest, the courts probbably wont be as lenient due to the fact you are coming off of a penalized season. You should sell your 3 only good players, kaka gattusso and seedorf. And give the rest of your team to juve so they can get relegated, again!!
Gee man, don't ever scare me like that. Until i read the names of Kaka, Gattuso and Seedorf i thought you're talking about Juve being investigated again !
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:38   #34

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haha moratti's comment that day is what actually brought the attention to them.. i told you guys that this is gonna get bigger than how it was.. i predict they will get a big money fine but will not lose their scudetto nor get relegated.. milan,juve,lazio, and most of italy will not like it and will keep pushing to get them punished but i dont think anything will happen... the worst case scenario is for them to dock them points for financial fraud and can give the title to Roma..

so ends up Moratti was just actually angry and didn't think twice and just said "we've already signed Suazo!".. what an idiot.. how on earth could inter have an important decision-maker as dumb as him!!
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:46   #35

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can give the title to Roma..
Not a good move, imo.
What if next year we find out Roma also wasn't innocent. Who's gonna get the scudetto...Chievo ?
That scudetto has only 1 owner - Juventus. And since Juventus was guilty for something (whatever it is) that scudetto shouldn't be asigned to anyone.
Seasons 04/05 and 05/06 should count as non existant !
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Old 21-06-2007, 13:29   #36

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Goddman all those rules, inquiries and investigations that are disturbing Serie A!
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:14   #37

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This one is about the transfer of Suazo.

I got this from their web site:

Moratti: ""Until yesterday, the player wanted to join us. Cagliari themselves sent him to us for the medical, asking us to be as quick as possible. I am very surprised by the conclusion of this matter. I'm not sure exactly what the rules say in these cases, but we will fight to the last."

Imagine that, the president of the team that won the scudetto doesnt know the rule. all he wants is to fight to the last.
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Old 21-06-2007, 20:14   #38

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snake4life: The lawyers quoted indicate that Inter face the most serious potential charges, while all the other clubs included, face nothing more than a fine...so please, stop comparing apples with rotten grapes...
I've been searching for definitive proof of this, and I have finally found it here:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/a...lo367202.shtml

Granted this site is the mouthpiece of Berlusconi, but it wasn't wrong about Calciopoli and it seems to make sense. It says that if clubs are found guilty of cooking the books, then they risk a fine. However, if a club is SO guilty that they cannot participate in the championship then they face the range of sporting sanctions: from a points deduction to a relegation. Hence, Inter face the range of punishments, but it is not necessary they will materialize.

I have placed the apposite paragraph here for convenience:

L'articolo 7 del Codice di Giustizia sportiva, parla di "ammenda con diffida" per la società colpevole di irregolarità iscritte a bilancio, ma nel caso in cui eventuali falsificazioni abbiano avuto come scopo l'iscrizione a un torneo al quale il club non avrebbe avuto diritto di partecipare, subentrano le sanzioni previste dall'articolo 13, alle lettere f), g), h) e i). "f) penalizzazione di uno o più punti inclassifica...può essere fatta scontare nella stagione seguente; g)retrocessione all'ultimo posto in classifica; h) esclusione dal campionato di competenza, con assegnazione da parte del Consiglio Federale ad uno dei campionati di categoria inferiore; i) non assegnazione o revoca del titolo di campione d'Italia". Scenari da sciagura, ma che non si invereranno necessariamente. Il rischio di prescrizione del reato è ancora concreto e, soprattutto, la soluzione più probabile parla di deferimenti ad personam per i dirigenti coinvolti e di una maxi multa per il club. Anche se c'è chi punta più su una blanda penalizzazione, anche in considerazione di casi passati di doping amministrativo.

Maybe a native Italian speaker, or one whose Italian is better than mine can confirm my conclusions.

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Old 22-06-2007, 03:06   #39

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Not a good move, imo.
What if next year we find out Roma also wasn't innocent. Who's gonna get the scudetto...Chievo ?
That scudetto has only 1 owner - Juventus. And since Juventus was guilty for something (whatever it is) that scudetto shouldn't be asigned to anyone.
Seasons 04/05 and 05/06 should count as non existant !

No, that title should remain to Inter unless they have also been caught with money fraud that season and you are right it should be left unassigned.

But I wasn't talking about that scudetto, i'm talking about 2006-2007 scudetto.
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Old 22-06-2007, 11:25   #40

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Inter's situation according to my understanding till now:

Regarding Suazo, Inter may face hefty fines as a result of signning the player and not the club, but the stuation is about to get more complicated, Suazo has declared that he wants to respect the moral agreement he has with Inter, but his agent and Cellino want to convince him of Milan. Still Suazo may face a ban reports say because he signed for a club while still under contract with Cagliari.

Regarding the financial situation and investigation, these reports have been going on since last summer and winter, but now its getting serious, Inter may face yet another set of hefty fines and charges according to the findings of the financial authorities. The most extreme result is demotion to Serie B, but that's an extreme and the most likely result is huge fines or may be stripping of the title.
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Old 22-06-2007, 11:35   #41

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Further evidence that Inter are the new "Teflon" Dons of Serie A:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/break...728636,00.html

This article states that the FIGC, despite evidence to the contrary, found Inter innocent of "spying" on Vieri and other players, as well as ref Di Sanctis....

Why am I not surprised? But I am willing to bet that the civil case will have a different outcome
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Old 25-06-2007, 22:37   #42

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Now, I wanna understand someting, if there is indeed a clause in Suazo's Calgiari contract that says any team who pay 9.2 mil for him makes him released from Cagliari and thus Suazo could sign to any club?

I mean, you still need in this case Cellino's signature first right?
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Old 01-07-2007, 14:57   #43

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I hope they will be punished with what they've done.
I hate Inter much, Serie B should be the best place for them next season.
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Old 02-07-2007, 13:22   #44

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It's not about hating or loving another team, it's about laws. Italian football severely suffered after the calciopoli, but all in all the good and clean competition is the most important thing, even if it means to relegate the top team. You reap what you sow
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Old 02-07-2007, 13:58   #45

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This whole thing is symptomatic of Italian football at the moment: twisted, self-serving and corrupt. It's driving me to a state of dispair over Italian football, the sport I love. At the moment my feelings are - sod it, what does it matter if Inter are relegated? Will anything really change? Bribing refs, financial irrregularities....cheating, call it for what it is appears to be endemic amongst the upper teir clubs. Another year, another scandal. Should Inter be punished? Well, yes they should if it can be proven that they have falsified their financial accounts. Relegation? No, for all the reasons stated above.

But something has to be done. We can't keep going through the same rigmarole of muck spraying and controversy every year....the league must grow some teeth.
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