Copa America

Thanks God, its not volley ball! Peace!

and now Mexico 6-0 to Paraguay...

seems like Nery Castillo is challenging Robinho for best player of the tournament...

and Guardado is probably going to PSV Eindhoven

Brazil - Chile 6-1
Uruguay - Venezuela 4-1
Mexico - Paraguay 6-0
Argentina - Peru 4-0

Peru played good in first half, and at the half time they had good result, but second half...I'm sure that if there was at least 10 more minutes in second half Argentina would score 2 more goals...
I'm sorry for Paraguay, that red card in 3rd minute destroyed them...

1/2 game:
Brazil -Uruguay.

Interesting 1st half:
What an interesting game! Recoba keeps taking lovely corner shots while Forlan keeps shooting and ...
he gets one finally.

Now I see Brazil scores off the set piece, is this a never ending first half, 50 min?

Originally Posted by ukrainian_CA

1/2 game:
Brazil -Uruguay.

Interesting 1st half:
What an interesting game! Recoba keeps taking lovely corner shots while Forlan keeps shooting and ...
he gets one finally.

Now I see Brazil scores off the set piece, is this a never ending first half, 50 min?

actually the first half lasted about 1hr because there was a problem with the lights in the stadium a little after Brazil scored for 1-0 and the game had to be stopped for 13-14 min or so.

Brazil-Uruguay 2-2, penalties 5-4 so Brazil to the final as i hoped.

again with a goalie off his line for a pk.
they either need to change the rule so all gk can move, or enforce the existing rule.

doni was at least 3 steps out when the final pk shot was taken!

Originally Posted by icculus

again with a goalie off his line for a pk.
they either need to change the rule so all gk can move, or enforce the existing rule.

doni was at least 3 steps out when the final pk shot was taken!

Dida did the same thing, too, against Juventus.

But i guess it wouldn't make a difference unless the GK dived to the right side... right?

Originally Posted by Jeff

Dida did the same thing, too, against Juventus.

But i guess it wouldn't make a difference unless the GK dived to the right side... right?

Dudek was dancing in the final in Konstadinoupolis that we were beaten by Livelpool. So?

Originally Posted by Giorgos

Dudek was dancing in the final in Konstadinoupolis

It's Istanbul in English. But if you really want to use the greek name then it's Konstantinopoli

Jeff, it doesn't make difference if the keeper dives to the wrong side but it makes a lot of difference if the keeper dives to the right side. You make the angle a lot smaller if you make 3 steps out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S65EPNGl3Y
Watch the penalties here. If Dida didn't make the 3 steps Montero would have scored the penalty 99.9% because Dida would have dived earlier to his left and Montero shot in the middle.
Also Nesta's penalty. If Buffon didn't stay at the line he could have easily saved the penalty while the ball wasn't so high, out of his reach.
Milan won the penalty shot-outs against Juve in a NOT FAIR way, just like you lost them against Pool in the same way.

That's life i suppose, but FIFA should tell the refs to follow the rules !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

That's life i suppose, but FIFA should tell the refs to follow the rules !

EXACTLY...
However...ending a game on pk's in itself is stupid.

what about putting the ball anywhere on the penalty box, and allowing the keeper anywhere in the goalie box? takes a little more skill?

i always have been in favor of pulling players off and letting some version of a game decide it...

1st ot...11 v 11
2nd ot...9 v 9
3 rd ot.. 6 v 6
4th ot...1 v 1

huh, let's not go there shall we?

Dida didn't do anything different than what Buffon was doing ... the main dif is that the Milan players, who scored, took their PK in a way that it didn't really make any dif what the GK was doing (see Sergio's PK).
Buffon was also going off his line but that didn't help him much vs a well taken PK, unlike those saves he made form Seedorf and kaladze where your argument about Montero's PK applies just as nicely.

And Dudek didn't do anything against the rules, in fact his GKing was much more according to the rules than that of Dida and Buffon in the 2003 final as unlike them, Dudek was mostly dancing on his goal line, which the rules allow for ... of course he got off the line too on some PKs but that's what all Gks do, so a win on Pks is not unfair, if there is anything unfair here it's the way the rules are being applied and that mostly "damages" the PK takers as it makes it much harder for them to score.

other than that usually both GK are allowed to "break" the rules in the same way.

Originally Posted by Giorgos

Dudek was dancing in the final in Konstadinoupolis that we were beaten by Livelpool. So?

It's allowed that keeper move on the goal line, but it isn't allowed that he steps forward.

But letsa talk about the Copa America.
Tonight second 1/2 finals game Mexico - Argentina, it should be nice game, Argentina and Mexico showed us very good games in group stage and in 1/4 finals games. I excpect very hard game.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

huh, let's not go there shall we?

Dida didn't do anything different than what Buffon was doing ... the main dif is that the Milan players, who scored, took their PK in a way that it didn't really make any dif what the GK was doing (see Sergio's PK).
Buffon was also going off his line but that didn't help him much vs a well taken PK, unlike those saves he made form Seedorf and kaladze where your argument about Montero's PK applies just as nicely.

And Dudek didn't do anything against the rules, in fact his GKing was much more according to the rules than that of Dida and Buffon in the 2003 final as unlike them, Dudek was mostly dancing on his goal line, which the rules allow for.

Errrrr...... WHAT ???????

Watch when does Buffon makes Half a step when Seedorf takes the shot ! He makes the step at the same moment when Seedorf shots the ball.
Now , watch when does Dida makes the step forward when Zalayeta took his penalty ( only one step )
Buffon vs Kaladze is the same as Buffon vs Seedorf. He goes a step forward when the penalty is already taken.
And now watch Dida vs Montero. 4 steps and 3 of them before Montero touched the ball.
Now, if Gigi made 4 steps like Dida did, you think his chances of saving Nesta penalty would have been the same ?

As for Dudek, come on Zlat, you're not serious.
Watch him against Pirlo here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE0E2Kmmzqc

Guys this is not right time and place for that discusion, only 10 more min untile the gam starts...