Do we need a new coach?

Originally Posted by _Ace

so let me get this straight..

We get a new coach and you expect Milan to win Serie A title, Coppa Italia AND CL? wtf you must be crazy...

its not the coach, its the age of the players(like many others stated..), we need more youth elements.

besides, Carlo will stay as Milan's coach for 08/09 Season

so TBH, this thread is useless...

Sorry i can't understood. That post goes for me?
With that post you are replying to me about my last post?

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

Sorry i can't understood. That post goes for me?
With that post you are replying to me about my last post?

I dont think so. Your posts (_Ace and rossoneri_11) are similar.

Originally Posted by Siregar

I dont think so. Your posts (_Ace and rossoneri_11) are similar.

Thanks Siregar but i would like to hear and his answer.

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

Thanks Siregar but i would like to hear and his answer.

No problem mate.

Why do you think his post is replied to your post if I may ask you? I'm just curious.

I think he replied to the thread starter/opener (the person who opened this thread).

nope not for you if it was for u I would have quoted u...

and yes, our posts are somehow similar considering the age of the players.

Why should Carlo go I mean he HAS made quite a few mistakes....that's for sure but so have all of the coaching top brass....Capello, Fergie, Lippi etc. One annoying thing about Carlo is that he is a bit of an eliteist. That is if you aren't THE BEST IN THE UNIVERSE, he may not pay much attention to you. This prevented him from keeping faith in Henry when he was at Juve and is preventing him from allowing Gourcuff to evolve into a superstar. It is also preventing him from giving very promising players in the primavera a fair chance. Di Gennaro, the Aubemyang brothers, Vogel, Dhorasoo, Darmian and Foggia come into either of the above categories. His 'disorder' is sometimes damaging because often those rated as the best begin to lack motivation when they see that their places are safe and no matter how good a player is he will lose form, get injured or be fatigued at some point or the other. His stubborn insistence of using Pirlo at all times is beginning to get annoying and predictable. Pirlo's obvious weaknesses can be exploited and many teams especially Arsenal have surely done their homework. Then he has put waaay too much faith in names...names such as Inzaghi, Gilardino, my beloved Ronaldo, even Seedorf and Kaka to an extent where other names such as Aubemyang, Gourcuff and Foggia might have well done the trick.


^ The above said, it is indeed a small, by comparison, price to pay for such a successful and dare I say resourceful manager. Think about the flaws of the other managers and you'll see my point.
Fergie: stubborn, tendancy to prematurely dispose of his stars, ruthless in selections, sticks to 4-4-2, arrogant, takes veeeeery long to rebuild, easily outfoxed defensively

Wenger: too much faith in youth, inconsistent (0-4 va ManU, 1-5 Tottenham, trophyless for the last three years)

Mourinho: defensive and boring, more arrogant than Fergie and will rather leave a team in the middle of a season than struggle with less than what he requires

Lippi: probably the most balanced of the bunch but none of his teams, Inter, Juve, Italy have ever impressed me MORE BORING THAN MOURINHO

Capello: will surely bring trophies but he'll piss us off by doing something ridiculous like benching Kaka, Nesta or Pato. He ALWAYS goes after the team's biggest star (e.g. ADP, Baggio, Ronaldo, Beckham, Totti, Cassano). Winning trophies will feel good for sure but it will be a bitter-sweet win without our darling players. Add this to the fact that I'd rather monitior the growth of my toenails every minute than watch Capello's team play

Carlo is for me one of the few Italian coaches that has an attacking mentality. He makes us play beautiful football and our style of attacking through the centre. Bold, arrogant, beautiful

I know this Milan isn't playing beautiful football by a long stretch but just look at our loses: Rui, Rivaldo, Stam, Costacurta, Cafu(due to age), Crespo , Sheva , Tomasson (hated him b ut he was good and he'd probably be a starter in this team) Inzaghi (again due to age), Serginho(age), Madlini (age)

In comparison, look at what we have gotten :Gila, Olivera, Oddo, Janku, Bonera, Gourcuff, Emerson, Ronaldo, Pato

The losses FAR FAR outweigh the gains....in fact Only Ronaldo and Pato are worth mentioning. Add this to the fact that Ronaldo is more suited to the "losses" column rather than the gains because he's always out injured and we're pretty much screwed. But we weren't. We made the CL final in 05 and won it last year. No striker? No problem...Carlo converted Kaka into a striker and was so successful at it that Kaka won best striker and best player of the CL. Ancelotti defined Pirlo's role to perfection and got the best out of Seedorf in almost ANY position. He has recognised Paloschi's unmistakable talents and is gradually introducing him in. I love Carlo. He was one of us on the field and he is one of us on the Milan bench.

I prefer Spaletti over Carlo! This man is genious! I agree that changing coach won`t solve all our problems, we also need to buy some players! Carlo is a good caoch and I like him, but for now Mourinho or Spaletti seem to be better! Anyway we`ll see!

Originally Posted by _Ace

nope not for you if it was for u I would have quoted u...

and yes, our posts are somehow similar considering the age of the players.

Ok mate, thanks for answering! I'm sorry i misunderstood.

Ancelotti is a good coach, but I guess we're in bad need of a major reshufflement.

Originally Posted by drucurl

Why should Carlo go I mean he HAS made quite a few mistakes....that's for sure but so have all of the coaching top brass....Capello, Fergie, Lippi etc. One annoying thing about Carlo is that he is a bit of an eliteist. That is if you aren't THE BEST IN THE UNIVERSE, he may not pay much attention to you. This prevented him from keeping faith in Henry when he was at Juve and is preventing him from allowing Gourcuff to evolve into a superstar. It is also preventing him from giving very promising players in the primavera a fair chance. Di Gennaro, the Aubemyang brothers, Vogel, Dhorasoo, Darmian and Foggia come into either of the above categories. His 'disorder' is sometimes damaging because often those rated as the best begin to lack motivation when they see that their places are safe and no matter how good a player is he will lose form, get injured or be fatigued at some point or the other. His stubborn insistence of using Pirlo at all times is beginning to get annoying and predictable. Pirlo's obvious weaknesses can be exploited and many teams especially Arsenal have surely done their homework. Then he has put waaay too much faith in names...names such as Inzaghi, Gilardino, my beloved Ronaldo, even Seedorf and Kaka to an extent where other names such as Aubemyang, Gourcuff and Foggia might have well done the trick.


^ The above said, it is indeed a small, by comparison, price to pay for such a successful and dare I say resourceful manager. Think about the flaws of the other managers and you'll see my point.
Fergie: stubborn, tendancy to prematurely dispose of his stars, ruthless in selections, sticks to 4-4-2, arrogant, takes veeeeery long to rebuild, easily outfoxed defensively

Wenger: too much faith in youth, inconsistent (0-4 va ManU, 1-5 Tottenham, trophyless for the last three years)

Mourinho: defensive and boring, more arrogant than Fergie and will rather leave a team in the middle of a season than struggle with less than what he requires

Lippi: probably the most balanced of the bunch but none of his teams, Inter, Juve, Italy have ever impressed me MORE BORING THAN MOURINHO

Capello: will surely bring trophies but he'll piss us off by doing something ridiculous like benching Kaka, Nesta or Pato. He ALWAYS goes after the team's biggest star (e.g. ADP, Baggio, Ronaldo, Beckham, Totti, Cassano). Winning trophies will feel good for sure but it will be a bitter-sweet win without our darling players. Add this to the fact that I'd rather monitior the growth of my toenails every minute than watch Capello's team play

Carlo is for me one of the few Italian coaches that has an attacking mentality. He makes us play beautiful football and our style of attacking through the centre. Bold, arrogant, beautiful

I know this Milan isn't playing beautiful football by a long stretch but just look at our loses: Rui, Rivaldo, Stam, Costacurta, Cafu(due to age), Crespo , Sheva , Tomasson (hated him b ut he was good and he'd probably be a starter in this team) Inzaghi (again due to age), Serginho(age), Madlini (age)

In comparison, look at what we have gotten :Gila, Olivera, Oddo, Janku, Bonera, Gourcuff, Emerson, Ronaldo, Pato

The losses FAR FAR outweigh the gains....in fact Only Ronaldo and Pato are worth mentioning. Add this to the fact that Ronaldo is more suited to the "losses" column rather than the gains because he's always out injured and we're pretty much screwed. But we weren't. We made the CL final in 05 and won it last year. No striker? No problem...Carlo converted Kaka into a striker and was so successful at it that Kaka won best striker and best player of the CL. Ancelotti defined Pirlo's role to perfection and got the best out of Seedorf in almost ANY position. He has recognised Paloschi's unmistakable talents and is gradually introducing him in. I love Carlo. He was one of us on the field and he is one of us on the Milan bench.

Dru, Mr Queresma , said what i excatly believe...

No, Ancelotti is the best. we need players , quaresma , benzema , kompany , mexes , frey, hildebrand.

I want Michael Laudrup or Luciano Spalletti. Massaro as someone to teach them the flame.

Originally Posted by Rico

I want Michael Laudrup or Luciano Spalletti. Massaro as someone to teach them the flame.

Spalletti?
Hate Ancelotti for the Depor Crumble?
Despise him for the Istanbul debacle?
Click here to see what real humiliation looks like
Spalletti is like a Ferarri with no reverse gear......phenomenal going forward but awful at going back
Forza Ancelotti

Originally Posted by drucurl

Spalletti?
Hate Ancelotti for the Depor Crumble?
Despise him for the Istanbul debacle?
Click here to see what real humiliation looks like
Spalletti is like a Ferarri with no reverse gear......phenomenal going forward but awful at going back
Forza Ancelotti

Still, with a budget more than 10 times smaller than Milan's he managed to create a team that regularly beats Ancelotti's team and that's improving year after year.
After all, his team is the only Italian one in CL.

Coach is not our problem... we need trophy hungry players... and Admin should but out of player selection... not to say it should be autonomous... Carlo is a good coach and if most of his squad we not in wheel chairs or poisoned with age he could have done much better... not his fault for having a squad that only has two players (Kaka & Pato) that other top would want to buy... Look at it... its like we were this old Lada in F1 race... Who could have done better with this present squad? I think a systematic retooling of the squad and admin is needed... We are so wealthy and we wont buy top quality players to show our powers... not that we want to spend like Chelsea or Madrid...but we should not be competing with Serie B & C teams... and we talk about who we should sell...who wants them to buy... put them on Ebay and see the offers you get...less than a week's salary... i rest my case for now...