All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Zlat, first of all thanks for using this sign "" where there's no proof !

Listen, i really hope i won't have to come here tomorrow and say " I told you Juve wasn't fixing , because it's impossibile for fixers to lose 14 pts and The Scudetto" .. i pray i won't have to come here saying this

But if Juve loses this Scudetto tomorrow, then this thing will have to be qualifyed as not true :
1. Moggi aranging most/all of the matches for Juve to win the Scudetto

or, if we take the thing above as TRUE, then this will also have to be true :
1. Milan won the Scudetto , only because Moggi wanted them to win it !

Originally Posted by Jeff

Then I realize:

1. If event B does not happen, A must have no direct influence on B.

But if
2. A leads to B.

Then,

3. If C wins, A leads to C.

Please, tell me if this is what you mean.

My answer Jeff :
You do have a point. Possibile, but i don't know if it's true.
If A is true, then C is true ..... big possibility, Yes !
Only the "if" makes a problem, but i'll repeat : You do have a point, and it is a possibility.

Originally Posted by kris

That linesman screwed Milan over by dissallowing a valid goal against Siena.

No, that is Baglioni, Puglisi is the one who, according to prosecutors, was "asked" by Meani to "grant a favourable result for milan".

Originally Posted by kris

I can see you have no knowledge what so ever then. I mean have you not read anything? What you mention here is only the FIRST thing printed. We have so many other things that it is silly. Only two friendlies? , Like the UCL games against Djrugården? Or what about when Moggi locked in Paparesta in his locker room and he didn't dare speak about that since he KNEW he would lose his job if he went against Moggi.

I don't have time to write about all the other examples. Don't you post them on Juventuz.com?

Kris, if Moggi locked Paparesta, it's only Moggi that will have to feel the consequences, not Juve.

What was the thing about Djurgarden ?
As a man, i will say that i'm 99% Moggi is not clean, but as a judge then i have nothing on Moggi. He only asked why did UEFA sent some bad referee, and then he asked who will be the referee on the next match... at least that's what i read. If not, then i'm an uninformed fool , and i'm sorry.

Now, compare this with what Meani said. He was also complaining for the refs, and then he asked for 2 'inteligent" refs.
It's even worse guys !
Now, please, please, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not looking for Milan sins only to comfor myself that Juve was not alone in this.
My feeling ( and it means nothing to the officials in this matter) says that there is absolutely no possibility Juve to be the only team involved in fixing.

Lets look at the facts only :

1. Moggi asked who will be the referee on the Djurgarden match ?
2. Moggi asked for refs in 2 friendlies + Berlusconi Cup
3. Moggi and all the other directors gave their resignation and they are still not accepted !

This is the only thing they have on Moggi ( officially). Or am i wrong ?
Now, instead of Moggi, read the name Galliani at the begining of all 3 sentences, and tell me honestly what kind of punishment will you ask for Galliani and especially for Milan, if he was the one who did all these things ?

Originally Posted by kris

. Don't you post them on Juventuz.com?

Hehe, i'm no longer a member of that comunity.
And no, i was never banned or something. I left them because i couldn't read how some fools always attack their manager and their striker !

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Kris, if Moggi locked Paparesta, it's only Moggi that will have to feel the consequences, not Juve.

Damn, you are cheating here, Moggi IS Juventus. He is one of his main manager.

Originally Posted by BlackRedInferno

Damn, you are cheating here, Moggi IS Juventus. He is one of his main manager.

If Kaka kills his neighbours will you send Milan to Serie B ?
About all the other accusations..if Moggi is guilty, then Juve should be sent to Serie B, but come on, you can't blame the club Juventus for Moggi locking Paparesta

Originally Posted by mk18

1. I too dont believe juve ordered messina players to injure kaka and co. .. please dont put words in my mouth and this refers to your whole post, its a load of BS
2. im not sure about this, im not saying its a no, but i think milan didnt play a part in these investigations and im sure juve did but im not certain if they played around with the milan games.
3. not every single one... but 99% ... if you dont see it, your either blind, drugged .. or simply messed up or something, its very obvious and theres no point in denying it


im sorry, what stupid ideas?? ... that juve are cheats?? .. its not an idea, its a FACT, i swear that if i were a juventino (god forbid) i would admit that juve are cheating, theres no point in denying that, your only fooling youself



in what way am i being biased?? ... look, just because milan arent being pointed at the same way as juve are doesnt mean were wrong and your right, sorry to spoil this for you, until its all uncovered then you can say what you want, but for now, juve are the ones that are in deep poopoo, milan arent as much.



u need an asprin buddy, relax man!



read this part again and you tell me who sounds the more nervous... ban?? where did i ever mention that?

to be honest, i really honestly couldnt give a flying F if you 'beat' me in this discussion or not... again, go for the asprin your starting to hallucinate!




hallucination - nation!


what the hell is wrong with you!! ur tripping is swear man... the smiley means i was saying what i said in a nice way, so you wont read what i said in the wrong way... jeeeeezus!!!

im waiting for you answer here tony... ala Jeff

And only 2 more interesting things Capello said in an interview after the match in Bari :

1.Attacking Luciano Moggi has become a national sport.”

2.This afternoon Milan patron Silvio Berlusconi told newspapers he wants the ‘return’ of two Scudetto titles he feels were stolen from his club.

“Berlusconi was talking like a fan. Don’t forget that the telephone transcripts also mention someone who works for Milan and that’s all I’m going to say.”

3. Capello shrugged off claims Juve risk relegation to Serie B.

“Why would that happen? I ask everyone to wait, as people are rushing to judge before seeing all the facts here. At the end of the investigation, we might be laughing off these wild accusations. We are all very close to the directors and are grateful for the hard work they’ve done for us.



To remind you: Capello is a man who is just about to leave Juventus, and who knows Berlusconi very well !

Originally Posted by mk18

im waiting for you answer here tony... ala Jeff

I will answer you when you'll ask the question in a polite way as Jeff did...without aspirins, drugs and halucinations being mentioned !

Originally Posted by Tony 29

I will answer you when you'll ask the question in a polite way as Jeff did...without aspirins, drugs and halucinations being mentioned !

why i take asprins, nothing wrong with that! besides, you werent exactly polite in your response, i put a smiley u respond aggressivly, what do u want then?

Can someone please explain what exactly did Milan say about the linesman Gennaro Mazzei, are they complaining about him or did they want him as one of the linesman?

Originally Posted by mk18

why i take asprins, nothing wrong with that! besides, you werent exactly polite in your response, i put a smiley u respond aggressivly, what do u want then?

Heh, i overreacted a little bit, i'm sorry.
But it was only because there was a hidden thought in that sentence and smiley, wasn't it ?

If there wasn't, then i'm officially sorry and i'm a fool

Originally Posted by Tony 29

If Kaka kills his neighbours will you send Milan to Serie B ?
About all the other accusations..if Moggi is guilty, then Juve should be sent to Serie B, but come on, you can't blame the club Juventus for Moggi locking Paparesta

Moggi is accused to be the boss of an "associazione a delinquere finalizzata alla frode sportiva e all'illecita concorrenza con violenza e minacce", this means he was able to control transferts and decide referees behaviour also menacing and using violence against them.
This is what we call a proof.

Juve will never be relegated. Moggi involves to many clubs in the scandal, so the Juve part in this case will fade away and no punishment will followi guess.

look who is accusing of taking drugs and wandering like a hallucinated druggie on the pitch! well enjoy ur scudetto....just for a few days untill it will be snatched by figc.

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