Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Stezagud

Since when does someone have to be Brazilian to be valuable?

Im not sure how much you know about Bent beyond the price but the basic fact is he is a proven goalscorer in the EPL. He is an almost perfect parallel for Gilardino actually, except he cost less. The old Italian tradition of over paying for players i guess

Agreed about the first part. It sickens when people think a player is good because he is from Brasil. It happens often with people that dont come from "soccer nations" and let themselves be fooled by the hype.

Overvaluating players is partly a mafia game for money laundrin. I dont want to explain it all now, as I believe you know what im talking about.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Italians are overvaluing their own players more than anyone else in the world ( not counting the english )

So..... useless discussion by 2 boring members !

and why is a 3rd one making matters even worse?

Edit : I know the name of the midfielder Milan will sign in next few days. I'll keep it as a secret for now

I knew that before you even opened the website or paper or another rumour post by mark77 to read about it

Originally Posted by GilAttack [11]

But Marcelo was highly regarded as a young prospect, but when Milan bought Grimi a whole country was laughing at that. As I put back then, he had a zero chance of success here.
Obviously you can buy a top prospect and he could end up being a failure, but you cant say that Grimi was a good player at any time during his pro career.

hence the dif in transfer fees ... and how long had Grimi's career been to make a good evaluation on how he would develop in say 3-4-5 years time?
Isn't that the whole point of development - get a player and make him better ... obviously Milan saw something in him and gambled on it because after all, if you consider all the excellent players out there - just as many of them were average at the start of their careers and developed into something good, as there are players who were hot prospect in the beginning but failed to live up to the hype later on.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

hence the dif in transfer fees ... and how long had Grimi's career been to make a good evaluation on how he would develop in say 3-4-5 years time?
Isn't that the whole point of development - get a player and make him better ... obviously Milan saw something in him and gambled on it because after all, if you consider all the excellent players out there - just as many of them were average at the start of their careers and developed into something good, as there are players who were hot prospect in the beginning but failed to live up to the hype later on.

Problem is that Milan never saw anything valuable in Grimi, it was just Berlusconi/Galliani being Berlusconi/Galliani. Some kind of favour or something like that.
Unless you really want to believe that Milan have the worst scouts in the world.

Originally Posted by mrki

Overvaluating players is partly a mafia game for money laundrin. I dont want to explain it all now, as I believe you know what im talking about.

It even happens between Milan and Inter, to make matters even worse.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

all the excellent players out there - just as many of them were average at the start of their careers and developed into something good, as there are players who were hot prospect in the beginning but failed to live up to the hype later on.

Gianluca Zambrotta
I and most of the other Juventini were clueless who this guy is (eventhough he played in the same league with Juve) , we were disapointed by him in his first matches and it was obvious he lacks the talent to become a good (maybe even average) right midfielder.
Then he was transfered at RB and look where he is now !

Milan didn't buy Grimi just like that. If whole Argentina was laughing at him then there's less than 0.1% chances that Galliani and Milan scouts weren't aware of that.
There's smthg none of us here know behind his transfer. Maybe an option on some other Racing player ?

Edit : Zlat, i know who is the midfielder

Originally Posted by mrki

Overvaluating players is partly a mafia game for money laundrin. I dont want to explain it all now, as I believe you know what im talking about.

I am not a Milanista or Interista.
I have no idea how overvaluating the players goes !
So, explain it for me

this is for the post you wrote about Juve and Stuttgart

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Gianluca Zambrotta
I and most of the other Juventini were clueless who this guy is (eventhough he played in the same league with Juve) , we were disapointed by him in his first matches and it was obvious he lacks the talent to become a good (maybe even average) right midfielder.
Then he was transfered at RB and look where he is now !

Milan didn't buy Grimi just like that. If whole Argentina was laughing at him then there's less than 0.1% chances that Galliani and Milan scouts weren't aware of that.
There's smthg none of us here know behind his transfer. Maybe an option on some other Racing player ?

Edit : Zlat, i know who is the midfielder

No, some kind of favour to an players' agent or something like that. Racing isnt known to have good/great players, although they recently sold Gonzalo Bergessio to Benfica, a nice player indeed.
Bottomline: There was something fishy going behind scenes, Milan never bought Grimi because of his soccer skills or potential.

2 days ago our officials spoke officially about Pato, yesterday about Cassano, today about Adriano. All smoke screens IMO, they seem to be planning a surprise, I jus hope it aint someone like Vieri.

Those 3 names are indeed players I would love to come to Milan, but I think its all smoke screns. From those 3, I would chose Cassano, then Adriano then Pato but I wouldn't mind any of the three, they all seem to have the necessary characteristics we need and are indeed all young.

Cassano has the disadvantage of being the hot head who has failed repeatedly in the last 2-3 years in getting a starting spot. Adriano's disadvantage is his inconsistency in the last 2 years (but mind you, he's at Inter.. and seriously it does make a difference..i think he'll be more than fine at Milan).. Pato's disadvantage is his inexperience and age.. if i start talkin about the advantages about the three players i'll never finish.

Any of these Cassano or Adriano would work for me as the "superstar" signing we need. Pato should be bought just as an investment, dont need to bring him here in his first year, but just reserve him.

In other news, it seems that the Emerson rumours are back on. Whatever happened to all that Gourcuff getting more playing time talk? (but I do agree they have different roles and Emerson was necessary)

Agree, although there is a possibility that we will get one of those 3, I still expect someone completely different. I still believe that it will be one of Ronaldinho or Eto'o even though they are saying that Barca won't sell.

If however we ARE getting one of Cassano, Adriano or Pato I would definately go for the Italian. He might be a hot-head but everyone seems to calm down at Milanello. Besides, he would be really cheap anyway and maybe we can even receive some $+Cassano for Oliveira.

One fear I have is Motta. I don't understand why we are initerested (suposedly according to every single web-site) in this guy. I would rather rely on Brocchi then Motta.

Originally Posted by Milanfan_101

Are you sure Ronaldhinio does not want to come to Milan?? I read on goal.com that he may come. I think Berlu is trying to create a Brazilian type team. If he gets Adriano, Ronaldhinio and possibly Pato, combined with Cafu, Ronaldo, Dida and Kaka, we would have great chemistry, especially among the Brazillians.

It would be completely retarded to have so many Brazilians on the roster. Having a boatload of players of the same nationality doesn't automatically spell success on the pitch.

Brazil played like a group of individuals at the WC because too many egos wanted to be the man of the hour. It'll definitely happen here if our team looks like what's described above.

Originally Posted by Kaka--7thUCL

Landreau tops that list, as he is going to be amazing if he comes to milan

Is that a fact?

I don't want Cassano either, his character is too problematic. In contrast i think that Adriano may be reborned to our team. I was one of the people who wasn't worruing about our tranfers but now i started caring a lot about our slow movements. But i still hope we will make some good additions at leas at the end of the transfer market....

Originally Posted by Giorgos

i think that Adriano may be reborned to our team.

Nah, I don't think so. After all, Ronaldo would be his new teammate. The party boy can stay at Inter.

Oh, and sorry for the double post.