Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

The source for that story I just posted was channel 4.

Yeah, and in the original Calderon said that Capello was fired because of the fans. They wanted him out because of the ugly football Real played last season !

Lol, Mrki, you should have been a Real fan. At least the BOD would have listened to your "coach out of my team" related wishes

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I see someone's optimistic.

No point being glum and down-beat about it all is there ... there are far more important things in life

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

For a few days I've been feeling a Chivu steal, its just this funny feeling. Roma's been accepting offers from Barca, Real and Inter but Chivu's been rejecting all and delaying his decision as much as possible. Maybe he's waiting for us to butt in? If we are interested in a defender out there, who better than Chivu can we get, that is available?

This would be sweet..
In my opinion he is the ideal Maldini "replacement".

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Zlat also mentioned it many times in last month and i tried not to reply. Looks like i will have to

Do you people know that Milan was doing THE SAME things Moggi did ?
Milan did the same through Meani.
Why wasn't Milan sent to serie B ?
Because of a phone call bill. How ironic !
Milan lawyers have shown Meani's phone bills that were payed by Meani himself, not by AC Milan and they've "proven" that the Milano restaurateur (Meani) was no club official but a peripheral figure with no authority, acting autonomously. They distanced themselves from Meani and said that Meani was doing the illegal work (constantly talking to referees, ref officials and chosing the match officials) on his own while noone in Milan was aware of that.

Now, you can convince me and yourselves that noone in Milan was aware that a certain Meani was doing them favours all the time, but i don't think you'll succeed in convincing us.
Milan was hardly a victim in Calciopoli. Milan were just smarter than Moggi because they let a non club official to do the dirty work.

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=434

don't lose your credibility mate. you are a good poster, but now you are talking rubbish. this may be what you want to believe, but reality is different. no one in court would be that stupid.

Stitch, but this is the truth.
Why do you think Meani got such a big punishment ?
And why do you think Milan didn't get the same punishment as Meani did ? ( Juve was punished just like Moggi was)
Because the prosecutor didn't have proves that Meani was working for Milan.
The phone bills Milan lawyers presented were a proof that this man was working on his own.
This is something well known, it's nothing new. If i'm not wrong Galliani himself said many times that Milan has nothing to do with Meani, even on the official site.

But between us, do you really think Galliani had no idea what Meani was doing ?

Of course he knew. What I don't believe is that Meani did as much set-ups for Milan as Moggi did for Juve. You're basically saying that two of them are the same.

And even if your informations are correct, I can't believe that court officials would be so stupid to believe Galliani knew nothing.

Of course, I may be wrong, so you could back-up your claims with some articles?

Originally Posted by Stitch

Of course he knew. What I don't believe is that Meani did as much set-ups for Milan as Moggi did for Juve. You're basically saying that two of them are the same.

And even if your informations are correct, I can't believe that court officials would be so stupid to believe Galliani knew nothing.

Of course, I may be wrong, so you could back-up your claims with some articles?

Meani did the same thing Moggi was doing. It means they were doing the same illegal thing, not doing as many illegal things as Moggi did. I guess this is more clear

As for the judges ( Guido Rossi, ex-Inter ) .....it doesn't count what they believe, but what was proven. The prosecutor had no proves that Meani took orders from Galliani or some other director. That's why they couldn't have punished Galliani and Milan with the same punishment they gave to Meani and Moggi.
While in Juve, Moggi himself was doing the illegal stuff. He was the main man in Juve's BOD so it doesn't matter if anyone else knew what he was doing. He was presenting the team like Galliani was presenting Milan and it automatically gets you serie B.
If some Pietro Ambrosiani, who wasn't a club official, was making the phone calls instead of Moggi, then Juve wouldn't have been relegated because Juve would have said on court that the Amrosiani guy was doing that on his own hand and the court wouldn't have had proves that he took the orders from Moggi or some other Juve official.

Breaking news according to some of my friends in Spain: Andrade is a Juve player.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Breaking news according to some of my friends in Spain: Andrade is a Juve player.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Well the clubs have agreed on a fee. Andrade is good man!

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Well the clubs have agreed on a fee. Andrade is good man!

The second DC will be Barzagli. Can you imagine an Andrade-Barzagli partnership?
Juve will get raped next year

Originally Posted by Tony29.

The second DC will be Barzagli. Can you imagine an Andrade-Barzagli partnership?
Juve will get raped next year

Andrade is really reliable player...So is Barzgli...I`m felling bad we didnt get one of them

lol i remember a hilarious Andrades own goal in Euro 2004.

Originally Posted by Tony75

Really haven't seen anything in last 2 seasons to make me disbelieve they think players will just keep going on and on, hence no proper additions to the team, bar desperate signings after the players were shattered from no proper pre-season during the Winter gone.

But if you think Borreillo, Bonera, Oliveira, Grimi to be good additions, then your right.

I am sorry but I have to jump in now on this.

Let us not forget that all teams make their share of mistake in signings. In the same vien, Man Utd would not have been proud of Veron, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Massimo Taibi, Diego Forlan etc. SAF is not immune to errors just like everyone else.

It would be unwise to claim that Man Utd has been impressive transfer strategy and will outperform Milan by 2011. History has shown that teams can detriorate or underperform within a season. To me, a prediction like that would be leaning out the window for speculative odds.

So riddle me this: How would Ferguson keep Nani, Ronaldo, Giggs, Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Anderson constantly playing? Not to mention Park Ji-Sung, Fletcher, Richardson and Tevez if he comes. You only have 4 or 5 midfield slots and 90 minutes per game.

Logic dictates that Man Utd will lose several of these players in next few years. Half of them cost United Euro 15m+ which at this point of time are unproven at the highest level.

So, what the desired masterpiece look like in the end?

Milan on the other hand has shown that they have created the club atmosphere together which allows players to perform. What is also often missed is the respect and unconditional trust which Milan provides for their current players. The re-newal of contracts of Gilardino and Dida at their trying moments speaks volumes of this. And the revitalization of Seedorf, Pirlo and Ronaldo point to Milan's strength in this matter.

With that, I submit that Milan will be the team which will thrive for many seasons to come. I do not kid myself that there will come seasons without trophies, but the long periods of sucesses will make a pleasing mockery of the short term actions.

Forza Milan.

I understand what you're saying.

Now, sources, sources...