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Lets make something clear....the last thing about Dinho and Milan said by an official were Berlusconi's words ( or was it Galliani ?) who said that Laporta won't sell Dinho because he'll have to leave Spain if he does such a thing.
Nothing new has been said since then. The latest reports coming from deporte.es and also from the article Zlat gave above are just a thought of the authors. They say how Barcelona can't play all 4 of Henry-Eto'o-Dinho-Messi (nothing new here), then they give their reasons why Messi won't leave Barca (he's the youngest and the most perspective of them all) , why Henry won't leave Barcelona ( obviously, he won't leave them because he has just arived there) , why Eto'o won't leave Barcelona ( he said he wants nothing else but Barcelona) so it leaves only Dinho.

Now all this depends on wether Barcelona will use all 4 of them the next season or they will sell. From what has been said so far by men from Barcelona , they plan to keep all 4 of them, but since it's not very possible all of them to play together, journalists (and everyone else) think one of them will leave. According to the author of the last article ( this author is most probably someone like you and me. Without inside info but only making his own logical conclussion) we read, the one leaving will be Dinho !

So, as you can see, there's nothing new and unknown in the latest reports !

Btw, Dinho will be a mega accusition in financial terms.
He'll be getting 8m per year neto ( it means Milan will pay 16m per year) in the next 4 years. Only for his wages Milan will have to pay 64m euro. If another 60-70-80 mil are payed to Barcelona, then it gives a total of 125-145m euro for Ronaldinho only !

Yeah nothing new has been said since then. But I do believe that the news of the meeting may be true (between Galliani and Berlu). As for the economics, it's going to be insane, but I think this POSSIBLE move would be Berlusconi's "present".

Henry said he could stay on the bench. I think it's possible to play all of them. But it's more possible that henry stays on the bench. He is a new comer, 3 other players are playing very well... So let's say all of them will stay and henry on the bench. For our Milan who doesn't want to pay much and always sign old players or free players it's hard to believe they pay that much money for only Ronaldinho. To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.

Originally Posted by Stitch

don't put words in my mouth (or, should I say keyboard? ) I didn't say I "discovered" him, I just said that it was me who passed an idea to this thread, about Milan grabbing him, and everyone was all over me, he's awful, he's so slow, he has bad character, he isn't worth it blah blah. and now more and more of you are sugesting we should go for him.

sorry, stitchy, my apologies if I hurt your feelings ... but you know I am an evil bastard so you should have expected that from me

and dear Milan fans, don't listen to that jealous Juventino Tony ... the reports on Dinho coming to Milan are ROCK SOLID ... Tony is just being bitter that Milan is getting Dinho while Juve can hardly keep even Nedved on board

Originally Posted by Sleep

Henry said he could stay on the bench. I think it's possible to play all of them. But it's more possible that henry stays on the bench. He is a new comer, 3 other players are playing very well... So let's say all of them will stay and henry on the bench. For our Milan who doesn't want to pay much and always sign old players or free players it's hard to believe they pay that much money for only Ronaldinho. To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.

Henry saying he would accept the bench at Barca?! ... yeah, right, I would love to lay my eyes on that quote

as for Dinho, I agree that his price has fallen down a lot over the past 1-2 years but for that much money a move for any player would be a risky affair.
today, I wouldn't value Dinho at more than 40-45 mil (etoo at 30-35).

Galliani rivela la telefonata con Mijatovic: «Kakà resta, e senza clausole» «D’altronde non ha mai chiesto niente del genere e in ogni caso il Milan non avrebbe accettato».

Niente clausole, siamo al Milan. L’ha ribadito ieri sera Adriano Galliani intervenendo a Milan Channel, svelando, a proposito del caos-Kakà anche un importante retroscena: « Domenica mi ha telefonato Mijatovic, a nome del presidente Calderon, dicendomi di stare molto tranquillo: il Real Madrid ha mollato la “presa” su Kakà che per il club spagnolo resterà un sogno, anche perchè il suo contratto verrà prolungato fino al 2012. Lo ripeto: senza l’inserimento di nessuna clausola, tanto meno recissoria a favore di Kakà. Non l’ha mai chiesta, non vuole chiederla e, ammesso che lo voglia fare, non gliela concederemo!».

Oggi, intanto, Leonardo dovrebbe essere presentato ufficialmente al presidente Berlusconi nella sua nuova veste dirigenziale. Pregiata, preziosa, importante. Fondamentale soprattutto per la gestione di Kakà. Già nei prossimi giorni, come annunciato, il brasiliano po*rebbe tornare a San Paolo. Dove incontrerà Bosco Leite, papà-manager di Ricky, al quale sottoporrà subito per la firma il ricco (1 milione di euro a stagione) contratto quinquennale per il secondogenito Digao.

Il Milan, a proposito di clausole, chiederà anche all’ingegner Bosco di presentarsi all’appuntamento fissato la prossima settimana a Milano da solo o al massimo con lo stesso Ricky senza farsi accompagnare e rappresentare da pseudo*agenti o intermediari poco affidabili. In via Turati c’è in concreto sospetto che il polverone sollevato dal Real Madrid sia stato alimentato da individui che stanno creando solo una pericolosa confusione.

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http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=349140

In short: Mijatovic has said on behalf of Calderon that Real have let go of Kaka affair. Also Galliani then says that there will be no clause (for rescinding), nor has Kaka asked for it, nor does he want to ask for it, and if, for some reason he does, Milan will not grant it (original story: Corriere).

Originally Posted by Sleep

To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.

It's Berlusca's money. If it won't hurt Milan's transfer policy and if Milan as a club won't lose anything from this purchase, then it will be totally foolish to say no to Dinho.
Every single team can only benefit from Ronaldinho.

What i don't understand are the positions of the players Milan is after. I know you'll disagree but i think Galliani , Berlu and Ancelotti have no clear vision what do they want and need..... or maybe they all have different vision and plans.
Because, if you buy Dinho, why would you need Suazo, Eto'o or Shevchenko ?
Milan was obviously after Suazo and then after Eto'o.
So, was it only one of Eto'o and Dinho or Milan needs both of them ? And if it's both of them, will Milan play 4-2-2-2 or 4-3-2-1 ? If it's 4-3-2-1 then why is Milan after a top class attacker ? And why was Milan offering money for Tiago ?
Yeah, yeah, squad depth...but you don't offer 17m or 20m for a bench player, not in Italy.
Imo, Milan atm has no clear plan who do they want. Actually, i think Ancelotti and Berlu have different plans and that's not good !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

It's Berlusca's money. If it won't hurt Milan's transfer policy and if Milan as a club won't lose anything from this purchase, then it will be totally foolish to say no to Dinho.
Every single team can only benefit from Ronaldinho.

What i don't understand are the positions of the players Milan is after. I know you'll disagree but i think Galliani , Berlu and Ancelotti have no clear vision what do they want and need..... or maybe they all have different vision and plans.
Because, if you buy Dinho, why would you need Suazo, Eto'o or Shevchenko ?
Milan was obviously after Suazo and then after Eto'o.
So, was it only one of Eto'o and Dinho or Milan needs both of them ? And if it's both of them, will Milan play 4-2-2-2 or 4-3-2-1 ? If it's 4-3-2-1 then why is Milan after a top class attacker ? And why was Milan offering money for Tiago ?
Yeah, yeah, squad depth...but you don't offer 17m or 20m for a bench player, not in Italy.
Imo, Milan atm has no clear plan who do they want. Actually, i think Ancelotti and Berlu have different plans and that's not good !

I think Dinho has been on the agenda for a while. Suazo etc. was independent of the Dinho purchase. I for one never believed that was going be our only purchase.

Berlusconi is man who knows economics pretty well, bringing R10 to Milan will have the same effect bringing Beckahm to Real Madrid had, more media attention, more fans, more curiosity, more money, more little kids will grow up idolizing Milan (specially a lot of young brazilian kids, hehe)...whatever money is invested in R10 most likely than not Milan will get back: R99, R10, + Kaka is the thing dreams are made of, a tough Italian defensive midfield and defense combined with a superb attacking Brazilian striker force is literally the best of 2 worlds...Berlu, as a lot of you have said already, wants to recreate the Dutch magic of the late 80s with Brazilian magic

A club can't succeed in every transfer. It's the reason I think. If Milan had gotten dinho then no eto'o, no suazo.

I think it's the same reason that MU got both Anderson and Nani <both accept>

Zlatan, It's a old news, I can still find it. But in a Asian language, can you understand?

Originally Posted by zlatanov

and dear Milan fans, don't listen to that jealous Juventino Tony ... the reports on Dinho coming to Milan are ROCK SOLID ... Tony is just being bitter that Milan is getting Dinho while Juve can hardly keep even Nedved on board

I'm pleased with the work Juve's BOD is doing.
According to you we should have lost Buffon, Trez and Camo by now.
So, Zlat, please say that we will lose Nedved and won't buy another good defender, pleaseeeeeeee

Seriously, many Juventini will disagree with me, but what Juve did so far is amazing. Juve needed 2 CD's , 2 midfielders and 1 attacker and had a limited budget to buy these. So far Juve bought the best available for the money. And the greatest achievment was keeping Buffon, Trez, Camo in the team. If Nedved renews and another CD is bought then hats down to the BOD because they'll do the maximum. ( concidering Juve won't play CL next year, this will really be the maximum)

As for Milan, it's a totally different world. You are CL winners, you have much more money to spend on transfers and you can attract some stars that Juve can only dream of..... but so far you didn't do any of this and the only player you officially bought, according to your official site, was Suazo. We know how did that end.
To sum up ...... nothing to be jelaous of or being bitter !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

You are CL winners,...... nothing to be jelaous of or being bitter !

definitely something to be jealous of, when was the last time juve can claim to be europe champs?

Originally Posted by hwmook

definitely something to be jealous of, when was the last time juve can claim to be europe champs?

1996 ( one thousand nine hundred ninety six)

Originally Posted by Sleep

Zlatan, It's a old news, I can still find it. But in a Asian language, can you understand?

I don't doubt that you've read it but how true was what you read.
All I remember reading about Henry was that he was sure he could play in one team with Messi, Dinho and Etoo but nothing even remotely about him accepting the bench.
If Henry had said something like that, the western media would have had it on their front pages for a week, which is what makes me doubt the whole story and I would guess that either his words were twisted in that artcile or entirely invented.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Btw, Dinho will be a mega accusition in financial terms.
He'll be getting 8m per year neto ( it means Milan will pay 16m per year) in the next 4 years. Only for his wages Milan will have to pay 64m euro. If another 60-70-80 mil are payed to Barcelona, then it gives a total of 125-145m euro for Ronaldinho only !

Yes Tony, R10 transfer will accuse mega financial terms. But also will bring mega Milion euros in Milan fund!
Remember Real Madrid how much they earned from Beckham!

Beckham earned Real Madrid massive £315M

David Beckham's four years at Real Madrid made the Spanish giants a staggering £315 MILLION, it has been revealed.

Real marketing director Jose Sanchez told The Sun: "In four years that Beckham played in Madrid we have generated more than 440 million euros in marketing and commercial activities.

"In that time, profits from merchandising increased by 137 per cent."

The amazing figures do not even take into account the £115m which winning the Spanish title is worth.

LA Galaxy hope for a similar windfall after handing Beckham a £130m deal.

Beckham, 32, has a £10m-a-year contract with adidas, while other major deals are worth at least £11m a year.
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So buying R10 we will earn a lot of money for sure. We can earn back the 100m and his contract with a lot of more money that we gonna pay for him.

Originally Posted by Sleep

Zlatan

Sorry Ibra, i couldn't resist