Is Carlo Still In Next Season....

Originally Posted by mrki

What makes you say that??? Its clear that carlo isnt one of the best tacticians around, and for those who say carlo has the best record , and that say that im an IDIOT, lets just look at our squad.....
We have the best team in europe, best defence, creative midfielders and sheva and pippo. Carlo wants to sign crespo from chelsea and he is 30 and not in the form of his life, then after 2 years we'll need new striker and cassano and gilla will be somewhere else. I agree with people that say carlo in not top class, be realistic, he is nice guy, there is great atmosphere in milan squad and he has done a good job, but you simply cant do a much , much worse job with our team!!!!
He did ok, but isnt the best around....

I've come to that conclusion after having followed every Milan game during the Carlo era minus 5-10/season. He has build this team from scratch, first season, he started out stabilizing a defence that was in ruins after Terim's short spell, made up of players like Chamot, Roque Junior, Helveg and Billy (who had been harshly criticized the preceding years but found his second youth during Carlo's stay), then slowly he has integrated Inter rejects like Pirlo, Seedorf and of course Gattuso into the team, players that may be celebrated as some of Europe's finest midfielders today, yet none of them were considered top 30 midfielders when Carlo arrived. Today those three make up the most effective midfield in Europe.

And as for the tactical aspect, well I can tell you that Carlo graduated his training course with absolute top marks (coincidentally btw. I know that his final task was to give an account of offensive movement/running patters in a 4-4-2 system), I've seen him change the course of a match to the better on countless occasions (most recently against Juve last Sunday), he has been praised from colleagues all over Europe (Italian manager of the season 2003/2004), his old mentor Sacchi has described him as one of the finest tacticians around. He has overcome challenges such as Hitzfeld's Bayern, Ferguson's United, Lippi's Juve, Capello's Roma, Mourinho's Porto, right there we're talking perhaps the 4-5 most winning coaches of the last few few decades.

In the light of the above I believe your criticism of Ancelotti is one-sided, to say the least.

P.S. as for Carlo being a "nice guy", I don't know him personally so I can't tell. As a player I do know that when he came to Milan in 1987 he was already a coach on the field, he was the kind of player Milan needed at the time, someone everyone would lean towards, a complete midfielder but above all a leader with great personality, for which reason I find it subjective at the best to hear people presume that he's a bad motivator (just by following this Milan side, whose greatest strength is the collective solidarity, week in week out should tell you otherwise).

Originally Posted by zlatanov

giving an opinion and just saying something that's plain stupid often have a lot in common - there are opinions and things that are just plain wrong. And stop using these poor I-know-my-rights excuses for defending superfluous statements like yours, it is getting "colorless".
I wonder when will people think of some other excuse for their pointless comments and "opinions".

Speaking of pointless comments, what was the point of yours? All you do is criticize. Why do you keep taking my words out of context? Can you not read an entire post? You were mistaken in suggesting that I was "pushing up Del Neri". Again, I will repeat since you don't seem to understand. I said "if I HAD TO" replace him. In other words, that is a hypothetical situation. What don't you understand about that and why is that "plain wrong?" Please spare me from your unintelligible criticism.

Originally Posted by triniman

my post was not to single anyone out in anyway.....it was a general post to all.......

yes this is a open forum where we discuss alot of issues , but there tends to be a repeated pattern in my opinion.....everytime we lose a big game talk like this comes up....EVERYTIME....you don't think just as some find it important to talking about sacking him or changing coaches there are others who get tired of hearing the same thing over and over....yes he makes mistakes at times and in some peoples eyes he may not be that great tactically....but why speak of sacking someone now....why not talk about it when we closed the 8 point gap during the course of the season...or at the end of last season when we won the title....or 2 seasons ago when we won the CL....why not then if all his flaws seem to big to overlook....we should have sacked him then right??

like i said i like the fact that we can all can view stuff differently...and like i also said i too notice some flaws with him.....but to the point where a question must be asked about whether we should sack him???.....that is going way overboard.....

everytime we lose a game...everytime....something like this comes up.....from now on i'm going to start scheduling my visits or postings here....becuase if after all the heartache we suffered in those dark ages when we seemed to stuck in mid table......if after all that time of fustration and chaos....after all that time of being laughed at, we can now turn around during our best period and question the ability of one of the people who helped bring us here, all becuase we lost 1 big game.....than we have learnt nothing from our past at all and are no better than our city cousins

Understood. I agree with many of your points and was not advocating sacking him. You're right, the dark ages were not fun,and it's easy to forget them, even though they were fairly recent. Things could be much worse.

Originally Posted by Laudrup

I've come to that conclusion after having followed every Milan game during the Carlo era minus 5-10/season. He has build this team from scratch, first season, he started out stabilizing a defence that was in ruins after Terim's short spell, made up of players like Chamot, Roque Junior, Helveg and Billy (who had been harshly criticized the preceding years but found his second youth during Carlo's stay), then slowly he has integrated Inter rejects like Pirlo, Seedorf and of course Gattuso into the team, players that may be celebrated as some of Europe's finest midfielders today, yet none of them were considered top 30 midfielders when Carlo arrived. Today those three make up the most effective midfield in Europe.

And as for the tactical aspect, well I can tell you that Carlo graduated his training course with absolute top marks (coincidentally btw. I know that his final task was to give an account of offensive movement/running patters in a 4-4-2 system), I've seen him change the course of a match to the better on countless occasions (most recently against Juve last Sunday), he has been praised from colleagues all over Europe (Italian manager of the season 2003/2004), his old mentor Sacchi has described him as one of the finest tacticians around. He has overcome challenges such as Hitzfeld's Bayern, Ferguson's United, Lippi's Juve, Capello's Roma, Mourinho's Porto, right there we're talking perhaps the 4-5 most winning coaches of the last few few decades.

In the light of the above I believe your criticism of Ancelotti is one-sided, to say the least.

P.S. as for Carlo being a "nice guy", I don't know him personally so I can't tell. As a player I do know that when he came to Milan in 1987 he was already a coach on the field, he was the kind of player Milan needed at the time, someone everyone would lean towards, a complete midfielder but above all a leader with great personality, for which reason I find it subjective at the best to hear people presume that he's a bad motivator (just by following this Milan side, whose greatest strength is the collective solidarity, week in week out should tell you otherwise).

I can see your point. It's easy to overlook some of the great victories of the last 2-3 years, and perhaps some of us arent' giving him his due, but in fairness, I'm not sure if I agree that he stabilized our defence. Nesta stabilized our defense, not Ancelotti. Take away Nesta, and you can forget the trophies we've won in the last couple of years.

remember Tabarez ???
if we lost anceloti ... and didn't find a great manager/tactian ...
that will be happen ...
So keep Anceloti .. but we have to give him som argument :
1. Sign prospect players such as Gila, Kompany, or others golden boy (remember Kaka??)
2. Don't sign any Veteran player more !!!
3. Din't do devensive tactian ... if we had lead
i think that's all

Originally Posted by sf_esq

I can see your point. It's easy to overlook some of the great victories of the last 2-3 years, and perhaps some of us arent' giving him his due, but in fairness, I'm not sure if I agree that he stabilized our defence. Nesta stabilized our defense, not Ancelotti. Take away Nesta, and you can forget the trophies we've won in the last couple of years.

While naturally it takes strong players to win anything, Carlo's first season where he did without Nesta we had like the 2nd or 3rd best defensive record in the league if you look at the numbers.

Originally Posted by Laudrup

While naturally it takes strong players to win anything, Carlo's first season where he did without Nesta we had like the 2nd or 3rd best defensive record in the league if you look at the numbers.

Boy am I glad we got rid of Roque and Laursen and some of those scrubs...

Originally Posted by Laudrup

(coincidentally btw. I know that his final task was to give an account of offensive movement/running patters in a 4-4-2 system),

Hey how do you know that he got like full marks? That's really impressive but I wonder you read it on newspaper or somethign? or is it well-known? Just curious.
J

Originally Posted by Jeff

Hey how do you know that he got like full marks? That's really impressive but I wonder you read it on newspaper or somethign? or is it well-known? Just curious.
J

I have an acquaintance who has read the script.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

giving an opinion and just saying something that's plain stupid often have a lot in common - there are opinions and things that are just plain wrong. And stop using these poor I-know-my-rights excuses for defending superfluous statements like yours, it is getting "colorless".
I wonder when will people think of some other excuse for their pointless comments and "opinions".

im no moderator or anything but if no one is gonna act about your attitude then i personally think you should watch your language especially when sfeq didnt say anything wrong

whoever milans coach ...
i'm still milan big fans ...
"get headache after read this thread"

Originally Posted by mk18

im no moderator or anything but if no one is gonna act about your attitude then i personally think you should watch your language especially when sfeq didnt say anything wrong

Thanks mk18.

gosh ...... keep carlo please .. for otther years ...

Originally Posted by sf_esq

Thanks mk18.

no problem . and sorry to mispell ur name

Okay IF, IF IF Carlo leaves (HIGHLY unlikely) why would you want Le Guen to replace him? Le Guen has done some fantastic things but come on, coaching Milan where Carlo left off ? Very difficult task