maradona kaka shevchenko or ronaldinho?

People talk about that handball, but has anyne seen the skill before it or the best goal ever in a world cup in the same game by maradona. Maradona was just too good for England that day, handball or not

Without the handball it was a 1-1 draw, so while it can be said that his individual skill matched England, it was his cheating that surpassed us.

I still rate him as the best ever though, Pele has the world cup record but domestically is hard to prove, Best never got to show his talents on the world stage, same with Di Stefano. Maradona is proven both domestically and Internationally.

Originally Posted by pa7uel

Diego couldn't win a match by his own? Do you remember Argentina-Brazil in 1990? Argentina played terrible, the niggers could have won for 3 or 4 goals, but they kept missing ( Bilardo, Argentina's coach, didnt said nothing to the players in the half time, but when they were about to go out the field again he shouted ''guys please, dont give the ball anymore to the men in yellow!!!!''), in the second half Diego got the ball, passed 3 or 4 brazilians and gave a great pass to Caniggia who scored the final 1-0, that game Maradona won it by his self...

I'll again disagree with you. You said that he "gave a great to Caniggia, who scored the final 1-0"... What would happened if Claudio had missed that opportunity??? Maradona would loose the game or something, I guess... Do not regret Caniggia, after all HE SCORED that goal, not Maradona...If you again are not able to understand me, than I'm saying that ARGENTINA won that game, not only Maradona.
Look, I'm not saying that Maradona wasn't great, he was, but he WASN'T "the greatest"!!! Nobody denies that in that game (vs England) he scored very beautiful goal, but I've seen a lot of goals like this, even 2 days ago Ronaldinho scored 2 wonderful goals vs Real Madrid!!!
In 1996 George Weah scored that kinda goal vs Verona!!! The difference is only that Maradona scored in the World Cup tournament...

ohh that's a small difference.....
Lets see all the things that have been said here about the greatest football player ever:
cheat

Originally Posted by Dr Milano

lol soo true he was a cheat nothing but a cheat hes a overweight cheat

that is sacrilegy to football.
some others have said that some players,for exmple Del Piero, could have been better.
No player will ever be an inch of the great he was.

Originally Posted by Stezagud

Without the handball it was a 1-1 draw, so while it can be said that his individual skill matched England, it was his cheating that surpassed us.

You say that because like all english you are still completely mad about that game and the way Diego beated you, and that handball was just part of his magic, nobody (not even your golkeeper, Shilton) was sure that he had touch it with his hand untill he confesed it.

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

I'll again disagree with you. You said that he "gave a great to Caniggia, who scored the final 1-0"... What would happened if Claudio had missed that opportunity??? Maradona would loose the game or something, I guess... Do not regret Caniggia, after all HE SCORED that goal, not Maradona...If you again are not able to understand me, than I'm saying that ARGENTINA won that game, not only Maradona.
Look, I'm not saying that Maradona wasn't great, he was, but he WASN'T "the greatest"!!! Nobody denies that in that game (vs England) he scored very beautiful goal, but I've seen a lot of goals like this, even 2 days ago Ronaldinho scored 2 wonderful goals vs Real Madrid!!!

If we didnt had Diego, we would have lost that match, the whole team was a disaster that day, the only one that shined was Diego.
He wasnt the greatest?? tell me one , just one player better or like him, just one.
And please, comparing the greatest goal ever, not only for its beauty, for its technice, but for its meaning, it was beating the englishh, the inventors of football, it was the revenge for the 66 cup, it was beating the pirates that stole our islands, it was beating the war criminals who sank a ship that was out of the exclusion zone with 900 of our young boys (non of them with more than 19 years) that had no idea of what war was, that is not the sense of football, but that's what it was for us, even if it was just a little thing compared to what they did to us. You cant compare anything to that, Diego is more than a football player, he is a symbol, he is magic, sorry if some people has no blood on his veines, but for peple like us, used to suffer everyday, football becomes the only thing that makes us forget about all that, and Diego gave to us the greatest moments of joy in our history, and nothing can be compared to that.

You say that because like all english you are still completely mad about that game and the way Diego beated you, and that handball was just part of his magic, nobody (not even your golkeeper, Shilton) was sure that he had touch it with his hand untill he confesed it.

Yes, i am English, but that doesnt change the fact that it was a blatant handball that decided the game Is it even worth pointing out that you only consider it magic because you are Argentine?

As for the response you gave to Raymo, if you want to moan about war criminals then blame your fascist junta leadership of the time....stick to the football, thats what we're here for.

Originally Posted by pa7uel

If we didnt had Diego, we would have lost that match, the whole team was a disaster that day, the only one that shined was Diego.
He wasnt the greatest?? tell me one , just one player better or like him, just one.
And please, comparing the greatest goal ever, not only for its beauty, for its technice, but for its meaning, it was beating the englishh, the inventors of football, it was the revenge for the 66 cup, it was beating the pirates that stole our islands, it was beating the war criminals who sank a ship that was out of the exclusion zone with 900 of our young boys (non of them with more than 19 years) that had no idea of what war was, that is not the sense of football, but that's what it was for us, even if it was just a little thing compared to what they did to us. You cant compare anything to that, Diego is more than a football player, he is a symbol, he is magic, sorry if some people has no blood on his veines, but for peple like us, used to suffer everyday, football becomes the only thing that makes us forget about all that, and Diego gave to us the greatest moments of joy in our history, and nothing can be compared to that.

I see you still can't understand me...
Firstly, I had the feeling that we talked about ONLY football! I see you don't love England, but you can't deny that NOONE of the english players had any relationship with this unfair war(all the wars are unfair!!!), so it's not fair to blame somebody only because he is English...
Secondly, about scoring vs England, this do not mean anything, being the inventor doesn't mean that you are the best! Right? Weah scored his similar goal (September 1996, 1st round of 1996/1997) vs Verona(Italian team, if I'm not wrong... ).
What about the game Brazil - Argentina (1990), if your keeper wasn't so good, even 3 Maradonas couldn't save Argentina, the brazilians missed soooooo many opportunities...That's why I'm saying that in this game won Argentina, not only Maradona.
What about naming a player, better than Maradona? I already did it, this is Pele, he was better and he won more than Diego.
Let's say it like that, Diego was the greatest Argentinian!

you are just people with no heart.

Originally Posted by pa7uel

you are just people with no heart.

It's not fair what you said!!!
What do you want, becouse of that stupid war to say that every argentinian is the best, the greatest or what??? Do you know how many are the wars in the world???
The wars should be forgotten, you don't have to live with them...
And believe me, I have a heart, and it is red&black

War or no war Maradonna was the best. You can talk about any player you want, you can compare any modern day player to him. BUT I bet they will play for a better team than the Napoli team Maradona played for. Then before the 1994 WC he was clubless, but still came to the world cup as fit and as good as anyone else.

When Zidane was at his peak, some people started comparing him to Diego. You dont hear anyone doing that now that he is showing signs of aging.

The only reason he isnt hyped up as much as Pele by Fifa is because they dont want a little fat coke-head as the symbol of football.

Thats s right, they want an idiot who's son is a drug dealer

all are really great players.. but i don't think a comparision would be suitable.. personally i prefer kaka and sheva.. reason is simple as that, they now play for milan!

Originally Posted by pa7uel

becise, if you talk about world cups, Diego played in a much more harder time that Pele, Diego was beated by rival defenders every game, most remembered are South Korea in 86 and Cameroun in 90, in Pele's time there was much more space to play, while in Diego's spaces had to be created, and of course if we talk about leagues, Diego played in his best level in the Calcio where you have to make spaces, and becise you need strenght to face the toughest defenders in europe, and he beated them, he even beated Milan, oh and of course, Diego played in Boca, and he is the most loved player by La 12, and by mostn part of the world, even in the most remote places.
Brasilero brasilerooo
que amargado se te veeeeeeeee
Maradona es mas grandeeee
es mas grande que Pelé

i dont think u can put that in an argument...

u cant put maradona in peles time and visa versa, and the WC during maradonas time wasnt harder than those during peles time, thats just stupid... theyre all equally hard and what u just said only helps those who say pele is the best, pele has won more WCs than maradona... some say this some say that.. i think its easily maradona but these arguments are just pointless IMO

Well I wasnt going to vote on this because I didnt want to feel that I prefer any of these players over another. But I ended up doing so and voted for Sheva for one important reason... that is, he plays for Milan and to me that is my football world. Yes there are the greats that exist outside my boundary but I have a Football covenant with Milan and thus I had no other choice but to choose Sheva.

MK18: watch any video of Pelé and youll see that nobody gives him a mark, nobody hits him.
Now see any match of Maradona and you ll see that every defender or midfielder tries to hurt him with tough kikcs.
That is a difference.

Maradona is actually the most fouled player in any world cup. That is a fact.

I dont know if "Pele's worldcups" were easier, but he cetainly played in a better team. Possibly the best ever national side.

Oh and you two seem to agree that Diego is the best so why argue over why hes the best

were not arguing, im just telling him that his argument isnt valid...

fouled or not, u cant chose whose better based on that, its like saying maradona had better chances to shoot than pele did therefore its a disadvantage to pele.