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Old 28-12-2006, 03:44   #46

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Good point.
I think Milan missed out on Oddo when they sold him to Verona at first place, and then again when they didn't buy him back after Verona got relegated.
It may be a stretch to say we lost out when selling him to Verona, he was then currently a serie B class player and we couldn't just loan him out to them forever to let them develop him... When Verona was relegated he was still considered as a big risk in defense, but it couldbe claimed we made a mistake at that time.

don't complain about the Cafu deal when we made it, unless you do it as a Juve fan. He was very important in taking the scudetto and we got him for FREE. That we later failed to cover or replace him is another problem.

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Its laughable because he isnt a good prospect, whats so hard to understand? If you want me to put it more clear, he would be a mid-late second rounder in an NBA draft. Understand the point? He has no chance of turning out to be a very good player. You dont need to watch a player 1000 times to know if he is good or not. You can watch Kaka 10 minutes and you know he is a difference maker. You watch Grimi 10 minutes and you want to hang yourself.
If you want to keep any credibility do not ever claim 20 year old player have no chance of turning into a very good player. There are so many examples it is mindnumbing and that even of players none believed in. There is always a chance, maybe not this year or the next, maybe even he take the step in four years. You never know.

That said, this deal does not make much sense, while he is not much of a risk I can only think that we don't really care much for this position with this addition. Quite sad to see a 18 year old Brazilian national like Marcelo going to Real Madrid while we sign a 20 year old who hardly is wet behind his ears.
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Old 28-12-2006, 03:51   #47

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the arabic acmilan forum are reporting that the deal is official? im not too happy with this after reading what Gila and pa7uel had to say.. when there are playings in Italy like Mesto, Pasqual, Chivu, etc we go for some randomly unknown player who hasnt even played 1 yr of professional football.. for crying out loud, whats happening with the milan management? i hope for the sake of milan that this deal doesnt go through..
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Old 28-12-2006, 04:02   #48

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when there are playings in Italy like Mesto, Pasqual, Chivu, etc we go for some randomly unknown player who hasnt even played 1 yr of professional football.. for crying out loud, whats happening with the milan management? i hope for the sake of milan that this deal doesnt go through..
Like most likely half the posters in this forum you seem to lack perspective. Chivu and Pasqual are not players you can get for €2M and then put them on the bench. Pasqual is someone we would buy to replace Jankulovski, which there is not need for.
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Old 28-12-2006, 04:58   #49

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If you want to keep any credibility do not ever claim 20 year old player have no chance of turning into a very good player. There are so many examples it is mindnumbing and that even of players none believed in. There is always a chance, maybe not this year or the next, maybe even he take the step in four years. You never know.
but a Milan player must run immediately or he will go away as it has happened with Oddo and Vieira
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Old 28-12-2006, 05:19   #50

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but a Milan player must run immediately or he will go away as it has happened with Oddo and Vieira
He will most likely have until the sumemr to prove himself, I never said anything contrary to that. I just said that itis foolish to claim a player can't improve. In fact the two players you mentioned is two great examples of players who did improve a lot, especially Oddo since he was not as highly rated as Vieira.

So Grimi will have until the summer to prove himself, after that it is likely that he will go out on loan or be used in a trade deal unless he did succed.
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Old 28-12-2006, 05:27   #51

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Well i dont think Grimi can be that bad, or no prospective player, and be bought by Milan. Milan has a lots of quality trainers and scouts and my guess they found something in him, he isnt the class of Kaka to play in the first squad, but after a year or two in italian football maybe he´ll become a good player. Milan isnt chairity institution to give 2 mil € just like that...

But time will show who is wright and who is wrong...
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Old 28-12-2006, 06:57   #52

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kris. there is difference between the case of Oddo & Vieira and the last Grimi : at that time the role were well covered -Tasso or Desailly - now you can't say the same. This is the main reason why I don't like every 2 m. purchase NOW in this situation.
Anyway I think (and hope) Grimi it's only a joke.
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Old 28-12-2006, 07:46   #53

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Looks like Grimi is coming, from channel4.com:


In the meantime, Leandro Grimi is expected to land in Milan on Thursday, where he will sign a five-year contract.

The 21-year-old Argentine, who arrives with the added bonus of an EU passport, grew up in the Huracan youth team before moving to Racing Avellaneda this year, when he was voted as the best young player in the Apertura tournament.

“Joining an important club like Milan is a dream come true, I am very happy,” stated Grimi before leaving Argentina.


I do not know the player, so I really do not have any opinion about him.
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Old 28-12-2006, 08:16   #54

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kris. there is difference between the case of Oddo & Vieira and the last Grimi : at that time the role were well covered -Tasso or Desailly - now you can't say the same. This is the main reason why I don't like every 2 m. purchase NOW in this situation.
Anyway I think (and hope) Grimi it's only a joke.
Grimi makes me think of Pablo Garcia. Low key move in January as to cover for injuried players. I hope he will succed better than the turtle speeded Garcia.
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Old 28-12-2006, 08:22   #55

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Looks like Grimi is coming, from channel4.com:


In the meantime, Leandro Grimi is expected to land in Milan on Thursday, where he will sign a five-year contract.

The 21-year-old Argentine, who arrives with the added bonus of an EU passport, grew up in the Huracan youth team before moving to Racing Avellaneda this year, when he was voted as the best young player in the Apertura tournament.

“Joining an important club like Milan is a dream come true, I am very happy,” stated Grimi before leaving Argentina.


I do not know the player, so I really do not have any opinion about him.
if the above is true, he can't be as bad as some are making him to be.
Also, lots of people are a bit too quick to jump on the trash-grimi wagon ASSUMING - nothing new here - they know every single detail of what Milan is planning to do with this player.
Right now the guy is nothing more of a young player with prospect for the future. Just because we got him, it doesn't mean we will immediately throw him in the first team and replace Sergio or Maldini with a totally unknown and unproven player. Chances are, he will stay at Milan till the summer and then will go out on loan to gain experience.
Whether he turns out to be the next best thing since sliced bread or not, we could still use him in the future just like we did with players like Sam Dalla Bona, Boriello, etc, etc.
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Old 28-12-2006, 08:24   #56

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Grimi makes me think of Pablo Garcia. Low key move in January as to cover for injuried players. I hope he will succed better than the turtle speeded Garcia.
well, later on that same Garcia took by storm the Primera and even earned himself a transfer to Real M.
so, while not Milan first team quality, he turned out to be not such a bad player after all. Such players may be very useful when included as part of the deal for other, better players.
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Old 28-12-2006, 08:33   #57

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Garcia is a good player, but not up to high team specifications, but he has a bit of that play that makes him suitable for high and key roles in smaller midtable teams
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Meanwhile Grimi is in Milan awaiting a medical...
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Leandro Grimi signs for Milan?

He signed today for Milan. , he will substitute Maldini
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Who is he??? I`ve never haerd of him!
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