Andrea Pirlo - Form

Originally Posted by Lebanese

and what if thiago silva or the next big cb get injured? what will we do? get back to the pathetic defense. the problem is not about defending, its about how we are approaching the game. we are way too defensive and this is why we suffer defensively. the only pathetic thing is this formation " give the ball to kaka and he will do the rest".

with proper approach to the game i believe we should do better. the problem is coming straight from the coach not the defence.last season Nesta was there and gattuso almost played every game and we suffered terribly and didnot make it to the champions league.

we shouldnot look for reasons to justify our failure we should work on the problem and galliani looks he forgot how to handle things he only knows how to talk. today he came up and said that its not only milan who are suffering defensively, its inter too who lost 3-0. this guy has lost it really. it would be better if he compared the total situation with inter. they are top of the table and they are playing champions league (for now).

Please refer to one of my recent posts in the summer mercato thread as I've stated there the players I think we need to rejuvenate the squad. One of my arguments was to get more than just one good CB, and at the time I was thinking of about 2-3 being needed to add depth.

Also, my suggestions above do say we should press higher up the pitch, never mind for years I've said we play too deep, so I don't disagree about us being too defensive.

Originally Posted by rt9

Yeah that's very true. Ahh, miss the good old days. We were a much more dynamic team then weren't we? I still remember Seedorf owning the left side of midfield, Sheva running the channels, Pippo holding back the defensive line, and Pirlo and Rui Costa with those sublime passes.

We have slowed down substantially these days. No more pressing, no more movement off the ball. Now it's just pass and jog

We were more dynamic back then, but are we really that far away now? Pato and Kaka are extraordinary and Pirlo has shown a lot of good play in 2009. Seedorf isn't the player he was and thus needs replacing, but if we look at Gourcuff the guy's intelligence and movement is excellent. The only area where I feel we really should improve (in terms of getting new personnel) to become a stronger side is in defence, as our CBs and FBs (not including Zambro) are very weak. That isn't to say we need to buy new players for the midfield and attack, but it's more important to strengthen the depth of the squad in these areas, not necessarily the first team.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

We were more dynamic back then, but are we really that far away now? Pato and Kaka are extraordinary and Pirlo has shown a lot of good play in 2009. Seedorf isn't the player he was and thus needs replacing, but if we look at Gourcuff the guy's intelligence and movement is excellent. The only area where I feel we really should improve (in terms of getting new personnel) to become a stronger side is in defence, as our CBs and FBs (not including Zambro) are very weak. That isn't to say we need to buy new players for the midfield and attack, but it's more important to strengthen the depth of the squad in these areas, not necessarily the first team.

What we need to do is to construct a team that is able to play at high tempo for 120 min and therefore play pressing game with high defence in serie a games. That way we'll be able to play faster football without allowing opponents to play relaxed defensive sistem is low tempo. Which we allow nowdays.

The problem Lebanese mentioned is true. There is fat too much space between 4 at the back and midfielde. And that is due to unability from Il Capitano, Kaladze, Favalli, Pirlo, Seedorf etc to play high tempo movement and press the space.

We play our defence with back 4 on 16 m from our goal, and Kaka' on 35m, and we should play back 4 at 30m from our goal... something for example Inter did in 2nd half vs United where they managed to close the playing space and create pressure. Something we also did vs United in 3:0 victory in CL.

-----Zambro-Nesta-Thiago-LB(NOT MAREK!!)---
----------------Flamini----------
-------Gattuso-----Gourcuff-
----------Kaka'---Dinho--------
--------------Pato----------

This is a team with only ONE investement financially...

Originally Posted by mrki

What we need to do is to construct a team that is able to play at high tempo for 120 min and therefore play pressing game with high defence in serie a games. That way we'll be able to play faster football without allowing opponents to play relaxed defensive sistem is low tempo. Which we allow nowdays.

The problem Lebanese mentioned is true. There is fat too much space between 4 at the back and midfielde. And that is due to unability from Il Capitano, Kaladze, Favalli, Pirlo, Seedorf etc to play high tempo movement and press the space.

We play our defence with back 4 on 16 m from our goal, and Kaka' on 35m, and we should play back 4 at 30m from our goal... something for example Inter did in 2nd half vs United where they managed to close the playing space and create pressure. Something we also did vs United in 3:0 victory in CL.

-----Zambro-Nesta-Thiago-LB(NOT MAREK!!)---
----------------Flamini----------
-------Gattuso-----Gourcuff-
----------Kaka'---Dinho--------
--------------Pato----------

This is a team with only ONE investement financially...

That's precisely my point in some of my earlier posts. We need to play a high pressing game to trouble opponents more and prevent us playing so deep. The part you quoted of my post says exactly what you said here, we need only a few players to come into to the side to be a strong contender.

In fact, the only real difference in our opinions with regards to how we should play is that you think Pirlo shouldn't be included in the lineup while I think he should. Two different approaches, but ultimately we appear to share the same goal.

Originally Posted by mrki

Well no, he played under Carlo in Milan since the beggining of his days here, and played DM for Lippi between Perotta and De Rossi... so, no - you are wrong. He just worked harder.

Seedorf is playing in Kaka's position in the last games. Does this mean they are doing the same things on the field? Hell yes, I surely enjoyed those deep runs from Seedorf. Doubt you will get the analogy.

Originally Posted by mrki

when you conside all that, we can see that this Milan team has lost most of the quality it had back then. And with a coach that was never capable of making 100% out of them anyway, we are now in problems that everyone in the world sees. In the end, results speak for themselves.

The team that has won our last CL title wasn't much different from the one we have today. We must really be a sensational team to beat a top form ManU 3:0 with a team that has lost most of its quality.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

That's precisely my point in some of my earlier posts. We need to play a high pressing game to trouble opponents more and prevent us playing so deep. The part you quoted of my post says exactly what you said here, we need only a few players to come into to the side to be a strong contender.

In fact, the only real difference in our opinions with regards to how we should play is that you think Pirlo shouldn't be included in the lineup while I think he should. Two different approaches, but ultimately we appear to share the same goal.

Couldn't agree more on the high pressure game. If you look at Barcelona playing when they're in form, they always have their forwards and wingers put out alot of pressure for the entire game, and the thing is, you have Henry who's 31(?) running like a madman to get the ball back, and that's what we're missing. It's a team that builds their team on some of the same principles that we build our team around, so I think we should try to learn abit from them. Ronaldinho, Kaka and Pato all needs a complete rescooling to be able to play like that, but don't tell me they're not able to, when Henry at 31 can do it.

Originally Posted by Christian

Couldn't agree more on the high pressure game. If you look at Barcelona playing when they're in form, they always have their forwards and wingers put out alot of pressure for the entire game, and the thing is, you have Henry who's 31(?) running like a madman to get the ball back, and that's what we're missing. It's a team that builds their team on some of the same principles that we build our team around, so I think we should try to learn abit from them. Ronaldinho, Kaka and Pato all needs a complete rescooling to be able to play like that, but don't tell me they're not able to, when Henry at 31 can do it.

OMG..U just summarized most of milan's problem...Even when we're 2-1 down we still don't hustle and that's what inter, barca, man u, liverpool do!!! I hardly see kaka or ronnie hustling for ball..Pato hustles for the ball..RONNIE'S OWN IS WORSE CUZ HE'S VERY LAZY....

Originally Posted by spina_don

OMG..U just summarized most of milan's problem...Even when we're 2-1 down we still don't hustle and that's what inter, barca, man u, liverpool do!!! I hardly see kaka or ronnie hustling for ball..Pato hustles for the ball..RONNIE'S OWN IS WORSE CUZ HE'S VERY LAZY....

hustle for the ball? come again

Milan players don't fight to get the ball back at all..especially our strikers..Eto'o is a fighter, henry, rooney, tevez, messi, Drogba, ribery all fight and hustle for the ball...These players help out in offense as well as defending and trying to get bak the ball..Kaka, ronnie don't do these...When milan is playing, they're actually playing with 10 men when defending cuz ronnie doesn't do anything to help in trying to recover the ball...

Originally Posted by spina_don

Milan players don't fight to get the ball back at all..especially our strikers..Eto'o is a fighter, henry, rooney, tevez, messi, Drogba, ribery all fight and hustle for the ball...These players help out in offense as well as defending and trying to get bak the ball..Kaka, ronnie don't do these...When milan is playing, they're actually playing with 10 men when defending cuz ronnie doesn't do anything to help in trying to recover the ball...

maybe we need rick ross, he will show us whats up

Originally Posted by fLame

Seedorf is playing in Kaka's position in the last games. Does this mean they are doing the same things on the field? Hell yes, I surely enjoyed those deep runs from Seedorf. Doubt you will get the analogy.

The team that has won our last CL title wasn't much different from the one we have today. We must really be a sensational team to beat a top form ManU 3:0 with a team that has lost most of its quality.

No I dont get, Im too ignorant for your mayesty... Pirlo doesnt play the same things as he cant play them anymore, as well as Clarence as CM.

Not much diifferent ah? Fit Nesta, Maldini that could actually jump, Pirlo was fitter, Seedorf always had 2 games off before CL games to get fully fit in Milanello ( before Bayern and United ), Kaka' won the golden ball and played football out of this world and a football that he DOESNT play now, Pippo was eficient and was much more powerfull and fitter then now...we had Gattuso and Ambrosini who wasnt late for every 3rd duel like he is this year.

A difference of 2 years is a big difference for the same 11 starting players.

And that United was not as strong as this United, not near.

I understand that the position on the board in the locker room and actual role arent the same thing. But lets play Pirlo next to Seedorf in the middle with the SAME roles as 2004 and you'll see they cant performe it. Simply, the energy is gone. Its a natural thing.

What bothers me are the reactions on the field, which are nonchalant.

About Carlo's statement that is in your signature: Its a normal thing to sAy, nothing wise. But that means they beed to work and train hard and behave with fighting spirit and with attitute on the pitch. And all I see from some players in most of the cases is quite opposite. Including Galliani's Dubai trips for money friendlys. Also, same interwiews were last year "no panic, its all ok", and we finished 5th.

Yet another good game from Pirlo. Alot of fuss about nothing.

Pirlo+Flamini is a good combo.

Plus having janku and becks also helps his passing to wide positions.

I think Pirlo still has his part in the team, especially if the rest of the midfield is good enough (for instance: Flamini, Kaka, maybe Gattuso or someone new).
But Seedorf, although he was great when in his prime, should have been replaced at least a year ago with a younger player (Gourcuff maybe).
The same thing goes for Maldini.

The thing that bothers me the most, is Carlo's statement that we should win third place this year and qualify for the CL..........WTF?????
In the begining of the season we were title challengers and now suddenly it's not that important anymore...because "things are fine and improving".
Improving to what????? We may be second in the end??

Originally Posted by Fret

The thing that bothers me the most, is Carlo's statement that we should win third place this year and qualify for the CL..........WTF?????
In the begining of the season we were title challengers and now suddenly it's not that important anymore...because "things are fine and improving".
Improving to what????? We may be second in the end??

So should he say, "Yes we still have a chance to win lo Scudetto" when it's clear that it's highly unlikely?

On the one hand, we say that our management is diluted with past glory; on the other, we say that they are being non-achieving oriented.

What do we really want?