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Old 14-07-2007, 15:27   #6046

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dru, et al....I see here a tendancy to treat these players like pieces on a chess-board...yeah, lets buy them, but send them on loan to Perugia or Livorno....does it ever cross your mind that these "pawns" might not want that?

How do u tell Pato, who starts for his club team in Brazil, or Sergio Aguero, who should feature more for Atletico now that Torres is gone, that:

Milan wants to sign you, but we will loan you to Siena for a year to see how u adapt to the Serie A...when their agent is telling them that: Chelsea will include you in the 25 man squad right away, or Werder Bremen will make you a starter.

I mean, the oversimplification of some of the thought processes makes me think that some of us have played waaaay too much Fifa 2006, or FM.

So there is no "easily loan them both and monitor their progress"....players of this quality wont take kindly to the bench, or being loaned out, and over whom would they start at Milan for example?

Ok, the retort could be: Well, they should be ambitious enough to sacrifice a year to prove to Milan that they are Milan quality...crap...very very few players would be willing to come to a club, only to be benched, or loaned out, when they are unquestionably talented, and in demand as starters.

Pato, though may put up with a "loan" arrangement, I dont see Kun Aguero doing that however...and neither dos Santos IMO.
The thing is Warro ....if I was a great promising player and a massive club like Milan wanted to buy me and loan me out for the first year I think I'd jump at the offer.......there are many reasons why:
>I'd be able to showcase ALL of my talents at my "small club"
>Milan's best strikers are Ronaldo and Pippo...both made out of paper so my chances of being re-called are quite high
>The fact that I have already been bought by milan maens that I'm already a step closer to playing for my dream club...it's certainly a long term "investment" if you will. It's just like arriving at club where you know that you aren't guaranteed first team place. The examples you used are quite poor because the vast majority of big clubs already have good to great strikers and a 17' year old is going to have to spend a lot of time to prove that he is worthy of a first team place anyway. (wayne Rooney is a notable exception but even he had to prove himself before getting the first team spot)

the naked truth is that we can sugarcoat it any way we want but players ARE pawns of the club and the more effectively we use them (as long it's not in keeping with Juve's insensitive approach) the better for the club
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Old 14-07-2007, 15:37   #6047

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Old 14-07-2007, 15:41   #6048

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thats just Berlusconis tactic, well sing Ronaldinho for sure ! XD
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Old 14-07-2007, 15:47   #6049

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I actually dont think so, especially because Berlusconi reminded the fans that Laporta would have to emigrate in the case we got Dinho from them.
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Old 14-07-2007, 15:48   #6050

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then I guess you guys have something in common - you both like unproven youngsters, who are valued at 20-25 mil euros


Where are you? i try to find you in the forum the last 9 days. Whenever i am in you are out, you started being the dissapearing man
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Old 14-07-2007, 15:55   #6051

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The thing is Warro ....if I was a great promising player and a massive club like Milan wanted to buy me and loan me out for the first year I think I'd jump at the offer.......there are many reasons why:
>I'd be able to showcase ALL of my talents at my "small club"
>Milan's best strikers are Ronaldo and Pippo...both made out of paper so my chances of being re-called are quite high
>The fact that I have already been bought by milan maens that I'm already a step closer to playing for my dream club...it's certainly a long term "investment" if you will. It's just like arriving at club where you know that you aren't guaranteed first team place. The examples you used are quite poor because the vast majority of big clubs already have good to great strikers and a 17' year old is going to have to spend a lot of time to prove that he is worthy of a first team place anyway. (wayne Rooney is a notable exception but even he had to prove himself before getting the first team spot)

the naked truth is that we can sugarcoat it any way we want but players ARE pawns of the club and the more effectively we use them (as long it's not in keeping with Juve's insensitive approach) the better for the club
imo, if i'm a promising YOUNG player,... i might feel afraid that i will not shine in the new small club i will be loaned at, so it may even ruined my career even more. if i'm able to choose, then i'll choose the greater team with great midfielder, and become 1st eleven/1st sub, so if then i wont shine, well that will be becoz of me, and I only blame myself for that.
well there is a possibility in every aspect right ?
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Old 14-07-2007, 18:51   #6052

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I want sheva back I don't care who else milan buys. I'm over r10. If he comes great, if not , w.e. he probably will come though.. Who knows
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Old 14-07-2007, 19:52   #6053

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I want sheva back I don't care who else milan buys. I'm over r10. If he comes great, if not , w.e. he probably will come though.. Who knows
I want the same thing, especially since the other options are rather unimpressive.
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Old 14-07-2007, 21:58   #6054

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Gazzetta says Milan were/are observing 5 players:

1) David Villa (35m euros)
2) Robben
3) Huntlaar
4) Anelka
5) Cassano

4 and 5 seem a remote possibility, and have pretty much been ruled out.

Also Kaka's brother says that Kaka hasn't released any statements to the media because he is on vacation with his family.
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Old 14-07-2007, 22:04   #6055

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david villa?? is he as good as his price tag??
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Old 14-07-2007, 22:06   #6056

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especially since the other options are rather unimpressive.


So our best option is a fading star that already left us in the near past, exactly by the time of our darkest hour in recent times? Great...
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Old 14-07-2007, 22:15   #6057

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Just seen his actions on youtube....he got skills really....

but he's spanish.....35 mil euro is a gamble
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Old 14-07-2007, 22:16   #6058

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Old 14-07-2007, 23:26   #6059

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So our best option is a fading star that already left us in the near past, exactly by the time of our darkest hour in recent times? Great...
Im talking soccer-wise, not thinking with my heart. I dont like Cassano, Anelka, Pato is too young, and so on. And Sheva IMO is still a very good foward, from a soccer standpoint I would love to have him back.

BTW: Villa would be a nice option as well.

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Old 15-07-2007, 00:10   #6060

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David Villa would be good in attack.
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