Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Fret

Although I agree that it's probably best when players who arrive are the ones requested by the coach. That is good thinking.

But on the other hand, Leonardo likes his fellow countrymen and I can understand that but to say that Luis Fabiano is better then ...Eto'o, is just.....how should I put it....hmmm.....NOT TRUE

Well it's not about who's better, it's about who fits better in Milan. As Jeff said, Milan are more than the sum off the players.

Anyways, right after I wrote that post Leonardo said that he would like Huntelaar in Milan

lol you calling the other fans ignorant oh my god are you sane do you how much it will cost Milan later on to buy the players that can get us trophies. So what do you think it is more sustainable to buy a whole bunch of 30 year who demand 4 million euros a season and are only brought because they have relatively low transfer fees. Milan cheapness is the cause for the club financial woes we already spend in excess of 40 million euros in wage of 30 year old we rarely use plus of course slowdorf. Milan need to spend big to revolutionise the team we can't afford not with the wages that Kaladze Seedorf Oddo Zambrotta Jankulovski and Ronaldinho demand, example- Oddo demanding 4 million euros a season cissokho demands 1 million euros a season another example shevchenko demands roughly 7 million at chelsea dzeko would have demanded 3 million euros a season and to complete my point dida demands roughly 5 millions euros a season Merchatti wants only 1 maybe 2 million euros a season.

Actually the world financail crisis will affect Milan revenues by 0.5% at the most the current disguised over kaka transfer is having quantitative affect on Milan finances the only issue is the parent company who owns Milan is struggling financially because of the crisis hence why we sold kaka. Most organisations ignore the huge amounts of debt they compile as long as the companies are able to service the debt than it is conceivable to take out vast loans.

All Football clubs of a similar size have compile vast amounts of debt inter arsenal liverpool valencia are all several hundreds of millions in the red. You do need to spend 50 million euros a season to remain competitive that what our rivals spend that the figure that fiorentina have began spending, if milan don't spend at least 50 million euros each season you have to assume that we are going to lose our champions league spot. 50 million isn't comparable to the 200 million euros a team can expect to gain from winning the champions league final even if a team doesn't make it past the group they are still expected to make at least 40 million euros out of the competition.

I could understand some elements if Milan youth academy was producing a large amount of quality the best academy has offered so far is Di gennaro Albertazzi and Abate good players in their own right not on the level of costacurta albertini and maldini

Originally Posted by Ryo

Come on, man, you don't get my point at all. What I'm playing on is the fact that it took Milan 3 years and heavy investment to get back to the top of the footballing ladder. 3 years! Yes it led to a run of 3 CL finals in 5 years, and to top it off two CL trophies, but apart from our 2004 League, our other seasons have been dismal.

Good grief. Are you not satisfied unless Milan wins the Champions League each and every year? Oh my god! Three years! Three years I tell you! (Well, actually the club that won the CL was built in two years because the last piece of the puzzle was the signing of Nesta at the end of August, 2002.)

And up until the 2007-08 season, Milan finished high enough in the league to return to the Champions League every season. And even after that one slip-up, they were good enough (with pretty much the same team they have now) to tie Juventus for second and get back to the Champions League. It surely would have been nice to win a couple more Scudetti (and that probably would have happened had Juve not been cheating out their ass), but I'd hardly call what Milan accomplished "dismal."

You talk about the timing of the signings, but I'm talking about the fact that even in signing them, it could potentially take 4 to 5 more years before our new lineup takes a proper shape, and in that time Inter could well be onto the second star on their badges. They've already matched us for League championships, and I really can't stand losing out anymore.

And how is going into panic mode and signing whatever players can be bought fast at the other club's price rather than waiting to try to get the right players and negotiating for the best price possible going to make that gloomy outlook any brighter?

Consider this, we started rebuilding in 2000, and it took 3 years and a lot of luck to win the CL the first time (don't give me any bull$hit about how we were better, we won on Penalties, and penalties aren't always won by the better team, plus, if the Milano derby Semi-finals had us drawn as the home team in the second leg, we would have been out of the competition already, luck of the draw), then we kept rebuilding with Kaka and Sheva coming to the fore for us, and in 4 years time, we won the League for the first time in 5 years. Three years after that, another CL trophy.

It always takes luck to win the Champions League. If not in the final, somewhere along the way. Do you think Liverpool wasn't lucky in Istanbul?

Even if it were Milan and not Real Madrid who was spending like a drunken sailor -- even if Milan had not only kept Kaka, but bought Ronaldo, Benzema, David Villa, Ribery, Daniel Alves, John Terry, Torres, Buffon, Essien and half a dozen other big name stars -- it would still take a year to win the Champions League or the Scudetto. And it would still take luck, no matter how good Milan looked on paper. Do you think all the other teams are going to roll over and give Real Madrid the Champions League just because they were impressed with what their money bought? I don't.

That makes 3 major trophies in the space of 8 years of rebuilding. We've just taken a step backwards with our sales this year. Regardless of whoever comes in, I don't expect them to have an immediate impact at all, so what makes you so optimistic we won't win our next major trophy in 4, 5 or even 7 years from now?

Again, how is making a bunch of panic buys to placate impatient fans, spending too much money on players who might not be the right players, going to make your gloomy scenario any better? Don't you think Milan might be better off being sure in their transfer dealings and tough in their negotiations to get a price that will leave more funds to further build the squad?

We've been waiting for the "right signings" to come to our beloved club for over 5 years, and the fact that during that time Berlusconi's purse has been tightening more and our summer signings bar last seasons, have been dismal at best, means that many fans have had ENOUGH ALREADY. We've been patient over the past few years, when management came out with stupid obnoxious comments about how we didn't need new signings, when management made signing players over 34 their top priority, when management made decisions that would induce riots in other clubs or other countries. The fans have behaved impeccably during our last half decade of suffering.

So Pato wasn't a "right" signing? Flamini is crap as well? And Thiago Silva has no chance of being an outstanding player?

And sure, fans have a wonderful track record on signings. Milan fans danced in the streets over signing Gilardino. Fans clamored for Oddo. They demanded that Jankulovski get more playing time! So fans on message boards hardly have a stellar record when it comes to transfers, so what qualifies any of us to be a better judge of talent than Leonardo?

And please name all the "top priority" signings of players over 34 that Milan has made in the past five years.

All the fans have been hoping for is the indication that management still gives a damn about the club enough to actually help with making a transition, yet as of today, 3 years since our last major trophy, we still have no indication. The fans have been tolerant, but truly the things going on this summer have been the final straw for some of them. They just don't believe in management to fulfill its promises anymore, and considering the past 4 to 5 years, I really don't blame them.

If the management didn't give a damn about the club, then Pato, Pirlo and a lot of others would be long gone. If the management didn't give a damn about the club, even Peter Crouch would be too expensive. Instead, Milan is negotiating for players such as Fabiano and Huntelaar.

And you really have a lot of trouble with simple math. Milan won the Champions League in 2007. 2009 minus 2007 equals two -- not three!

I tell you this, if you put us at 2000, with less financial clout and less bargaining power than that particular year, how much longer do you think the fans will have to wait for us to achieve anything like we've achieved in the past decade? I'll also remind you that in that time we've won 2 CLs and 1 Serie A Championships out of a possible 10.

Once again, I will simply ask how making panic buys will help make your gloomy scenario any brighter?

elano should be bought by milan

Originally Posted by Christian

Galliani said today that we could have a new Brazilian signing:

We are full of Brazilian talents, and we could have a new one, who knows, we'll see. We also have Leonardo.
.

Leonardo to become a player/manager?

yes,they could also call baresi,guulit,rijkaard and van basten

Originally Posted by swordfish

elano should be bought by milan

You know, in all honesty I have thought about Elano. He reminds me of Seedorf, in that he is halfway a central midfielder, halfway an attacking midfielder.

He seems to also have a pretty good engine and workrate, but I think what scares off potential buyers is first: he's with Man City (who have tons of money, as we all know) and that it seems he is in talks with Inter.

When it comes to midfielders, I just wonder, how much did Napoli pay for Cigarini? He has impressed me the last year, and I think he would be a great player in the future.

When Mourinho was asked about Serie A, he said that the top three were weaker than England, but that from there on, the teams in Serie A are far stronger. Looking at the sort of talent that is at the disposal of teams outside of Milan, Inter, Juve, and Roma, you would be astonished not to see them at bigger sides.

I think there are two players from relegated sides that Milan should seriously consider: Andrea Esposito from Lecce and Torino's Rosina. Rosina should not be a starter, but he would be a useful player, and cheap. Esposito has been rather impressive, especially considering which players he is lining up with.

Watching Leonardo's first real press conference, it seems that Nesta is really being relied upon. It seems that the management isn't going after any real CBs, because they are truly looking at Nesta as someone to carry Milan next season. Obviously Thiago Silva is the other half of that pairing, but it's clear that three parts of our back four will be Zambro-Nesta-Thiago Silva- whether Zambro shifts left for Oddo, or Janku, or Crisicto/Cissoko takes that last spot, I do'nt know.

Bonera was also the first name he mentioned, when speaking about CBs, so I think Leonardo is also trusting Bonera. I mean, he just got a contrast extension, so it seems pretty obvious he'll be relied upon.

One thing to mention, it seems that Abbiati is actually in training with the squad. I mean, the pictures on Milan's site is small, but it seems that he has suited up and was part of the squad.

This is my favourite quotation from Galliani today (and boy was there competition):

"Inter have lost important players like Cruz and Crespo and have bought Milito and Thiago Motta, I don't know if they are stronger."

Originally Posted by Rick

Good grief. Are you not satisfied unless Milan wins the Champions League each and every year? Oh my god! Three years! Three years I tell you! (Well, actually the club that won the CL was built in two years because the last piece of the puzzle was the signing of Nesta at the end of August, 2002.)

And up until the 2007-08 season, Milan finished high enough in the league to return to the Champions League every season. And even after that one slip-up, they were good enough (with pretty much the same team they have now) to tie Juventus for second and get back to the Champions League. It surely would have been nice to win a couple more Scudetti (and that probably would have happened had Juve not been cheating out their ass), but I'd hardly call what Milan accomplished "dismal."



And how is going into panic mode and signing whatever players can be bought fast at the other club's price rather than waiting to try to get the right players and negotiating for the best price possible going to make that gloomy outlook any brighter?



It always takes luck to win the Champions League. If not in the final, somewhere along the way. Do you think Liverpool wasn't lucky in Istanbul?

Even if it were Milan and not Real Madrid who was spending like a drunken sailor -- even if Milan had not only kept Kaka, but bought Ronaldo, Benzema, David Villa, Ribery, Daniel Alves, John Terry, Torres, Buffon, Essien and half a dozen other big name stars -- it would still take a year to win the Champions League or the Scudetto. And it would still take luck, no matter how good Milan looked on paper. Do you think all the other teams are going to roll over and give Real Madrid the Champions League just because they were impressed with what their money bought? I don't.



Again, how is making a bunch of panic buys to placate impatient fans, spending too much money on players who might not be the right players, going to make your gloomy scenario any better? Don't you think Milan might be better off being sure in their transfer dealings and tough in their negotiations to get a price that will leave more funds to further build the squad?



So Pato wasn't a "right" signing? Flamini is crap as well? And Thiago Silva has no chance of being an outstanding player?

And sure, fans have a wonderful track record on signings. Milan fans danced in the streets over signing Gilardino. Fans clamored for Oddo. They demanded that Jankulovski get more playing time! So fans on message boards hardly have a stellar record when it comes to transfers, so what qualifies any of us to be a better judge of talent than Leonardo?

And please name all the "top priority" signings of players over 34 that Milan has made in the past five years.



If the management didn't give a damn about the club, then Pato, Pirlo and a lot of others would be long gone. If the management didn't give a damn about the club, even Peter Crouch would be too expensive. Instead, Milan is negotiating for players such as Fabiano and Huntelaar.

And you really have a lot of trouble with simple math. Milan won the Champions League in 2007. 2009 minus 2007 equals two -- not three!



Once again, I will simply ask how making panic buys will help make your gloomy scenario any brighter?

This is the main reason why I hate people who don't read through and through. I never mention once in my post that I wanted panic buys. Where in the world do you get those assumptions anyway?

Yes, I was exaggerating a bit on certain aspects of my post, all to prove a point: We are neither capable of winning neither the league nor the Champiions League convincingly with what we have currently, and should we have to wait another 4 to 5 years after already having waited about that same amount of time already for our last cycle to start up, then I completely understand why the fans are rioting at the training grounds. The fans are not convinced by what management has been doing, period. Where in my post do you see me say anything about "buying players now"? I simply stated my doubt that any players signed this mercato would make an immediate impact.

My point is about taking another 5 years to rebuild to a respectably competitive squad basing on your little post about our 2000 and 2002 mercato. Plus, we actually spent money on Nesta, and as I said, with Berlu tightening our purse strings, I don't see the same thing happening all over again.

Yes, I won't be satisfied with just 3 major trophies. The Champions League isn't something to win every year, I know that as much as the next guy that it takes luck as well as skill. But what about the league? You get a chance at that every single year. Are you implying that we should become a team like Liverpool? That we should be satisfied with finishing in the CL spots every season whilst all your closest rivals get the prestige of actually winning the League? If a decent cup run and a 2nd or 3rd in the League is enough to satisfy you each year, well then I say you're quite easy to satisfy. I would at least expect a challenge for the league every single season for a club of our size and stature, yet how many Februarys or Marches have we come across in the past 10 years where we've been playing for nothing except 4th or 3rd?

The Club that won the CL in two years you say, but you fail to mention all the finances that Berlu poured into the club during those few years. I don't see any of that happening now, which is why I don't see the same things happening in our rebuilding process, and why I'm convinced that we won't be able to win anything major in the next few years, not unless management starts acting like an actual management.

The market isn't like it used to be, top talent will be willing to come to the club, but they can just as easily be sold to another club if we can't meet their selling prices. Negotiating for the best price would be alright if we were the only ones on the market to buy, but I think you'll notice that this isn't exactly the case. We compete for top players with other top clubs, and playing our hardball tactics to sign at the "right price" can only go so far.

As I mentioned at the start of my post, where the hell do you get the notion I said anything about panic buys?

I'm just refuting your claims that we'll be able to do what we did in 2000 due to most of the factors working against us, thats all.

Stop putting words in my mouth and read through the entire post, Ricky. As much as I like my fellow fans, to falsely accuse others of saying something is not something I tolerate.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

This is my favourite quotation from Galliani today (and boy was there competition):

"Inter have lost important players like Cruz and Crespo and have bought Milito and Thiago Motta, I don't know if they are stronger."

When a quote like this is said, you definitely know it's BullSh&t.

Like it's such a poor excuse, that you can see Berlusconi's guilt, such a poor excuse, it's incredible he would even say something that stupid.

Cruz and Crespo have played what probably 20mins combined this season?

Absolutely Stupid.

When did Galliani say we made an official bid for Huntelaar? Link?

Originally Posted by Ryo

This is the main reason why I hate people who don't read through and through. I never mention once in my post that I wanted panic buys. Where in the world do you get those assumptions anyway?

I didn't say you said the words "panic buy." Where did I say that? Didn't you read my post through? But by being impatient and always moaning and groaning because Milan hasn't already signed the players they need, you're calling for exactly that. What do you think it would be if Milan just hurried to buy whatever player is available at whatever price they have to pay? Where I come from, that's called a panic buy. I would be much happier if Milan took the time to identify the players they really want and then negotiate for the best price possible to purchase them. You want Milan to hurry up and get it over with just to sooth your own fears.

Yet we are still worried about Inter, and talk about them and their transfers, thats fear. Galliani should shut up and the bussines and not worry what Inter does.

Originally Posted by Luca03

When did Galliani say we made an official bid for Huntelaar? Link?

"Milan have made offers for Huntelaar and Luis Fabiano, but the market is blocked because after Real Madrid's purchases the prices have doubled compared to last year."

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=87174

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

"Milan have made offers for Huntelaar and Luis Fabiano, but the market is blocked because after Real Madrid's purchases the prices have doubled compared to last year."

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=87174

But are these the offers that were rejected or are they new active ones?

Originally Posted by Luca03

But are these the offers that were rejected or are they new active ones?

I think he means the ones that were rejected. He may just be lying.