Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by zlatanov

is there something wrong with ba training at Milan - because that's what's he's gonna be doing as no one from the club or even journalists has ever counted him as a "reinforcement" - or is it that whenever someone's argument falls short, Ba's name is conveniently thrown into the mix to patch things up?


good for you ... and good for him too

He isn't just training here is is in our squad and there is nothing wrong with Ba training with us....but there is definitely something wrong with Ba arriving before the Torres' the Quaresma's the Ronaldinhos and the Agueros......You can play with words and soak your replies with innuendos as much as you like but I'm sure you know deep down that my concerns are legitimate.
How you know that no one from the club deems as a reinforcement is beyond me as well, if he is playing for us then he would count as one

IMO we need to reinforce the backline just as bad as the front. I think we missed out big time on Henry and G. Milito for these two positions and will need to start moving...

Chiellini and Cassano are still available :P

Originally Posted by drucurl

He isn't just training here is is in our squad and there is nothing wrong with Ba training with us....but there is definitely something wrong with Ba arriving before the Torres' the Quaresma's the Ronaldinhos and the Agueros......You can play with words and soak your replies with innuendos as much as you like but I'm sure you know deep down that my concerns are legitimate.

rest my case.

dru, if you spent the same amount of time on putting some thought in your arguments as you do playing FM, we wouldn't be going in circles on pointless things comparing ba with players like Torres, Quaresma etc.

How you know that no one from the club deems as a reinforcement is beyond me as well, if he is playing for us then he would count as one

from the fact that galliani and barlusconi, whenever they speak of "reinforcements", they say someone "will" arrive and not once have they or anyone else for that matter mentioned Ba's name when they speak of Ronaldo as the "new" signing.

And also Galliani's words when he announced the transfer - "as a gesture to a Milan player from the past" etc, etc on the official site.
Milan has had other such players on their squad - like Esajas (his move was a gesture towards Seedorf) - and yet most people here havn't seen them play - all they did was train with the team and serve as traning dummies for the Milan players ... those transfers were made on condition that Ancelotti wouldn't mind having those people around during training, which Galliani said on the official site when he announced Ba too.

Originally Posted by ag2765

IMO we need to reinforce the backline just as bad as the front. I think we missed out big time on Henry and G. Milito for these two positions and will need to start moving...

No we shouldn't have gotten either...Henry is overrated and too expensive and would unbalance our squad.....with Ronaldo (injury prone) Gila (scoring drought prone) Inzaghi (injury prone) and Kaka (prone to play out od position as a striker) we have a complete frontline that can compete with the "fantastic" four of Barca and ManU's crazy portugese speaking strikeforce etc etc...... ONE STRIKER is TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR!!! WE ARE COMPLETE DON'T YOU GET IT!!!

As for defence the suggestion that we need anyone is simply ludicrous

We have Maldini (39 going on 40) Nesta (31) Favagol (35) Serginho (36/7) Cafu (37) and Oddo (quite a young promisisg talent at 30) along with Bonera , Kaladze (from our primevera team ) to prove once and for all that happines begins at 40

Forget Ba, we have other things to worry about like losing Pato for now.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

rest my case.

dru, if you spent the same amount of time on putting some thought in your arguments as you do playing FM, we wouldn't be going in circles on pointless things comparing ba with players like Torres, Quaresma etc.

First of all I don't own or play FM. (fifa 07 is a different story though )You might not like my arguments or my ideas but there is no need to disrespect me because I think differently. atm we HAVE to compare Ba with the arrivals in other teams because he is all that we got. Should we compare other teams' transfers with the players that we have had playing for years?? Is there any logic in that at all??

[quote=zlatanov]from the fact that galliani and barlusconi, whenever they speak of "reinforcements", they say someone "will" arrive and not once have they or anyone else for that matter mentioned Ba's name when they speak of Ronaldo as the "new" signing[/QOUTE]
Pointless semantics......Ba is listed in our squad and you cannot presume what are our management's ideas for him...until we don't see him on the field we have to assume that he would play (he IS listed in our squad)

Originally Posted by zlatanov

And also Galliani's words when he announced the transfer - "as a gesture to a Milan player from the past" etc, etc on the official site.
Milan has had other such players on their squad - like Esajas (his move was a gesture towards Seedorf) - and yet most people here havn't seen them play - all they did was train with the team and serve as traning dummies for the Milan players ... those transfers were made on condition that Ancelotti wouldn't mind having those people around during training, which Galliani said on the official site when he announced Ba too.

Galliani like Berlu is a politician.....I rather hope your take on it is right but in the worst case scenario (as an engineer I usually think in this light...sorry in advance for sounding pessimistic), it is merely dressing up a questional desicion with an air of respectability

drucurl you an engineer?

Unforunately us engineers have this nature in us that we don't take anything for granted, sort of pessimism. We will not be happy with anything less than perfect. We always look to improve the efficieny of the engine, ofcourse at reasonable costs. As a fan, my favourite season was the 03-04 season, the one we lost to Deportivo, I am guessing that is your favourite too, just merely cuz you are an engineer and we think alike.

Originally Posted by drucurl

He isn't just training here is is in our squad

Big deal! So is Abubamayeng or however he spells his name, and will he play one game for us? Doubt it...unless its the Italian cup against some guppy from Sardinia...

Originally Posted by drucurl

and there is nothing wrong with Ba training with us....but there is definitely something wrong with Ba arriving before the Torres' the Quaresma's the Ronaldinhos and the Agueros.

Why? Because he has taken up a non-EU spot? Because of his arrival, we wont sign anyone else? Really pointless to even debate this with you, because we all know he is here only because we are doing him a favor, and nothing more.

Originally Posted by drucurl

.....You can play with words and soak your replies with innuendos as much as you like but I'm sure you know deep down that my concerns are legitimate.

Your concerns are poppycock and balderdash, and you know it...especially where Ba is concerned.

Originally Posted by drucurl

How you know that no one from the club deems as a reinforcement is beyond me as well, if he is playing for us then he would count as one

And your crystal ball, that allows you to peer into the future (cant use mine, it broke last nite during a seance) shows you that he will be starting for us? Pray, tell me oh Prophet Dru, will he start in the:
a) European Super Cup?
b) World Club Cup?
c) Serie A?
d) Coppa Italia?
e) TIM Cup?
f) Trofeo Berlusconi?

I find that you bringing up Ba to be simplistic, and ridiculous in the extreme...he has no bearing on our transfer market, and unless you are paying him personally, please desist in bringing him up...u arent looking very smart by doing so.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am certainly getting a bit over the constant referalls to a player who will probably not even play 1 minute for us this upcoming season.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

drucurl you an engineer?

Unforunately us engineers have this nature in us that we don't take anything for granted, sort of pessimism. We will not be happy with anything less than perfect. We always look to improve the efficieny of the engine, ofcourse at reasonable costs. As a fan, my favourite season was the 03-04 season, the one we lost to Deportivo, I am guessing that is your favourite too, just merely cuz you are an engineer and we think alike.

I'm a Civil Engineer....so I'm always constructive The season we lost to Depor we won the scudetto too right?? I prefer the 02-03 season when we won the CL because they called back Sheva's perfectly onside goal and he still put the final dagger in the shootout
But I agree with everything else you said above....I don't think it makes me smarter or an authority on anything ( I think Zlat and Tony have a more vast wealth of footballing knowledge than I could ever dream to have)...but yes efficiency is the key..and I haven't seen it this transfer season......what kind of enginner are you???....seems all engineers hate gila I haven't met one that liked him

Originally Posted by Graeme C

Chiellini and Cassano are still available :P

Hey there Graeme.
Since you seem to be the only one here interested in Chiellini this reply is dedicated to you

Davide Lippi (Chiellini's and Blasi's agent) will meet with Juve officials today to find out what are club's plans regarding Chiellini and Blasi. Manchester City is after both of them (looks like Eriksson really wants them) and today we'll finally find out if Juve wants to sell or not. Reports suggest that ManCity is ready to offer ~14m euro for both of them (10m for Chiellini, 4 for Blasi)

Here's what the agent said :
"Manchester City are interested in both players and I am going to meet Juventus to see if these moves are possible.
Both players would be happy to play in the Premier League and Manchester City, but it all depends on Juventus.

"They both like English football and the fact Eriksson is there would be a big factor for them to go there.

"However it depends on the price and whether Juventus want to sell them or not."

I don't have any doubts that Juve will accept the offer for Blasi (he's the 5th choice in his position and since there's no Europe for Juve this year, i'm sure they wouldn't reject the offer) but i really don't know what Ranieri thinks about Chiellini and i don't know if he counts on him or not.

As for Milan going after Chiellini...... i don't think he's in Milan plans and looking at the last 2 summer mercato's, Juve isn't keen on doing business with Milan. I doubt Juve will sell to Milan !

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Big deal! So is Abubamayeng or however he spells his name, and will he play one game for us? Doubt it...unless its the Italian cup against some guppy from Sardinia...

Why? Because he has taken up a non-EU spot? Because of his arrival, we wont sign anyone else? Really pointless to even debate this with you, because we all know he is here only because we are doing him a favor, and nothing more.


Your concerns are poppycock and balderdash, and you know it...especially where Ba is concerned.


And your crystal ball, that allows you to peer into the future (cant use mine, it broke last nite during a seance) shows you that he will be starting for us? Pray, tell me oh Prophet Dru, will he start in the:
a) European Super Cup?
b) World Club Cup?
c) Serie A?
d) Coppa Italia?
e) TIM Cup?
f) Trofeo Berlusconi?

I find that you bringing up Ba to be simplistic, and ridiculous in the extreme...he has no bearing on our transfer market, and unless you are paying him personally, please desist in bringing him up...u arent looking very smart by doing so.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am certainly getting a bit over the constant referalls to a player who will probably not even play 1 minute for us this upcoming season.

Ok let's forget Ba for the moment.... we have witnessed the departure of two strikers (not that I didn't mind seeing them leave mind you) and have ALL expressed concerns over the condition of our squad (first team aside) is this poppycock too?
I suppose you are looking like a genius by berrating my calls for reinforcements Galliani already limited our targets to an attacker....now he is saying that it's hard to keep his word etc etc....and you are lambasting me for expressing my displeasure?? I humbly beg your forgiveness for seeking animprovement to our perfect squad that struggles to score a single goal without the help of Kaka or Ronaldo

And what of our promise for a "big name " ??I guess keeping your word is overrated and too expensive as well ?

Thanks for allowing us to forget Ba.

We are currently at July 24th, and there is over a month left in the transfer window.

So, there is time to address what our management deems to be areas of the squad that need reinforcing...even Ray Charles in a cave can see that we need a forward, and a defender...that is clear, and I have said so in a previous post.

With your last post, you have completely blown up my sarcasm meter...but, I will say this: I lamblast no one for voicing their displeasure, I do so when they bring up inconsequential things (like Ba) and parade it like the prosecutors did the glove for OJ Simpson...and we all know how that turned out

And there are big names out there to be had...not Henry, R10, Etoo, or even Van Nistelrooy...but I do trust our management to find someone (Pato maybe?) to replace RO.

Now, because we have a few weeks to make such a transfer, cant we all just get along?

I want to thank you all from my heart for your wishes and your company at this difficult period with my serious injury. At least except of suffering this injury game also the opportunity to come closer with a lot of you.

As i told you in the past my job has to do with the media so i know some things about. Believe me, the presidents are influenced a lot by supporters. When you go and say to your president, "Thanks a lot Mr... but if only we could made more adds to our squad". The 90% of times, he will smile give you yound hand or hit you in the back and say, "don't worry we will be very competitive".

Originally Posted by Giorgos

I want to thank you all from my heart for your wishes and your company at this difficult period with my serious injury. At least except of suffering this injury game also the opportunity to come closer with a lot of you.

You are very welcome Giorgos, and we do wish you a speedy, and complete recovery.