Alberto Gilardino to Milan??

Originally Posted by zlatanov

Yeah, the major problem of football is that those who can do everything are in the stands
As for the home grown tallent - you are obviously an Italian, though living in NY, - and on the U-21 team there are what 25 players. This doesn't mean that there is enough young blood for all teams in serie A. Plus, the world is becoming smaller and smaller and boundaries are disappearing - the best will play for the best. This nationalistic attitude of playing italians just because they are italians belongs in the past - the present and the future belong to the good players with talent independent of their nationality. If you are good you are gonna play for Milan, italian or not, otherwise Brescia and the likes.

Good point Zlatanov and I'm totally agree with ur point here.

Originally Posted by Maldini_Sheva

Good point Zlatanov and I'm totally agree with ur point here.

Thanks. Oh, and btw, I also agree with my point.
Just kidding.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

This nationalistic attitude of playing italians just because they are italians belongs in the past - the present and the future belong to the good players with talent independent of their nationality. If you are good you are gonna play for Milan, italian or not, otherwise Brescia and the likes.

I almost agree with you but you cannot refer to the future, as the Italian federation is trying to introduce restriction in 2 years time on foreign players including players from the E.U. contries.
From the line up of the 18 players, nine of them must be Italians.
The clubs and the EU are opposing for these restictions.

When there is a ban or restriction on the movement of foreign players the clubs will suffer.
1. Less competitive with other clubs in the European cups.
2. Increase in the market value of the Italian players.

On the other hand the National team suffers from a market liberation on foreign players on a long time basis.

Originally Posted by Maltese Charlie

I almost agree with you but you cannot refer to the future, as the Italian federation is trying to introduce restriction in 2 years time on foreign players including players from the E.U. contries.
From the line up of the 18 players, nine of them must be Italians.
The clubs and the EU are opposing for these restictions.

When there is a ban or restriction on the movement of foreign players the clubs will suffer.
1. Less competitive with other clubs in the European cups.
2. Increase in the market value of the Italian players.

On the other hand the National team suffers from a market liberation on foreign players on a long time basis.

The IFGC may introduce those bans - I also heard about plans like these - but as a result the italian teams will become the bitches of Europe i.e. they will kisk some italian ass big time in the CL and UEFA. As you said, the lack of competion will decrease the overall quality of the serie A also because italian players will not feel the rivalry of foreigners. This will make them even lazier and more self complacent.
As a result, the IFGC will get off the bans so, in the end, the future IS borderless.
As for Gattuso, not the Milan player but the forum member, he was claiming that when there were less foreigners in serie A Italy won a world cup in '82. Well, the foreigners' invasion started 10-15 years later and why did Italy win NOTHING in the meantime? Simply because their national team is still sitting on that old defensive mentality that is the hallmark of Italian football. Some club teams like Milan have evolved in their approach to the game but the Italian National Team is still a catenaccio lover, more or less. They won in 82 and before that because that style was still applicable then but today you need something more than just sit on your arse for 80 min and try playing for 10. In Spain 1982, Italy passed the groups with 3 draws but back then it was 1 point for a tie and 2 pts for a win. In modern footbal it is 3pts for a win so 3 draws won't get you anywhere but in the backyard of Europe, where Italy actually is in the moment.
Hopefully Lippi has some other ideas for the INT.

Any development about Gilardino coming to Milan??

Zlatanov: The IFGC may introduce those bans - I also heard about plans like these - but as a result the italian teams will become the bitches of Europe i.e. they will kisk some italian ass big time in the CL and UEFA. As you said, the lack of competion will decrease the overall quality of the serie A also because italian players will not feel the rivalry of foreigners. This will make them even lazier and more self complacent. As a result, the IFGC will get off the bans so, in the end, the future IS borderless.
As for Gattuso, not the Milan player but the forum member, he was claiming that when there were less foreigners in serie A Italy won a world cup in '82. Well, the foreigners' invasion started 10-15 years later and why did Italy win NOTHING in the meantime? Simply because their national team is still sitting on that old defensive mentality that is the hallmark of Italian football. Some club teams like Milan have evolved in their approach to the game but the Italian National Team is still a catenaccio lover, more or less. They won in 82 and before that because that style was still applicable then but today you need something more than just sit on your arse for 80 min and try playing for 10. In Spain 1982, Italy passed the groups with 3 draws but back then it was 1 point for a tie and 2 pts for a win. In modern footbal it is 3pts for a win so 3 draws won't get you anywhere but in the backyard of Europe, where Italy actually is in the moment.
Hopefully Lippi has some other ideas for the INT.

It's not completely true... Italy did well in Euro 00 when they played very defensive, and nevertheless got to the final only to loose in extra-time. And what about Greece??? they are a defensive team and still look at them, they are the champions of europe. IMO Italy is one of the best teams in the world, and that match against Sweden was a good performance... Italy is just unlucky, what can I say.

P.S. Chile passed the group stage in WC 98 after 3 draws (against Italy, Cameroon and Austria).

Originally Posted by sash

It's not completely true... Italy did well in Euro 00 when they played very defensive, and nevertheless got to the final only to loose in extra-time. And what about Greece??? they are a defensive team and still look at them, they are the champions of europe. IMO Italy is one of the best teams in the world, and that match against Sweden was a good performance... Italy is just unlucky, what can I say.

P.S. Chile passed the group stage in WC 98 after 3 draws (against Italy, Cameroon and Austria).

Well, I was thinking of adding Greece in my last post because I knew somebody will bring this up. Greece is a one time wonder so to call it. So, whn they do something like that again, I will gladly discuss it in greater depth. for now I will only say that many of the big favourites, including Italy, had their players play a LOT of games at the very top level so virtually no team among Italy, Spain, France, England, Holland, Germany and Czech Rep. had their players in top form - they were already exhausted from having played 50-60 games throughout the season.
As for Italy, yeah they did play well in the Euro but:
1) they didn't play so defensively under Zoff
2) they are Italy, after all, with some of the best players in the world and having great players may cover up some crappy tactics
3) do you by any chance remember how they beat Holland (after the Dutch missed 2 penalties in regular time and lost the game on penalties - kind of lucky, ha) and lost to France - after they were 1 goal up, Italy decided to get back in defence, how uncharacteristic for them, and let the "wolf in the cottage," so to speak.
Their decision to defend the 1 goal lead made it very easy for France to steal the cup from Italy.

Well I remember how Del-Pierro had two great one-on-one opportunities to score, and how he blew it (I'm sure he had couple sleapless nights after that).
And sure I remember that match against the dutch..... Italy had luck that match, didn't have much luck in the final though.
And what about Porto??? This boring "ugly" team... they won the CL (how the hell that happened, I still don't unerstamd... Porto=Greece) because of their defence play.

Now, back on Gilardino:
This is frm tgcom.it
Basically the story is that Roma have accused Milan of coming in between them and Gilardino and messing up his transfer to Roma. Galliani responds that Milan has the same right as any other team and shoudn't and cannot be accused of anything illegal. He also, like never before, claims that there has never been a contact between Milan and parma for the player and there is no way Gila could come to Milan for we already have 4 strikers fighting for 2 spots. Of course he missed the possibility that Gila could come to Milan next season
This is basically everything new I have read for Gila, so far.

Originally Posted by sash

Well I remember how Del-Pierro had two great one-on-one opportunities to score, and how he blew it (I'm sure he had couple sleapless nights after that).
And sure I remember that match against the dutch..... Italy had luck that match, didn't have much luck in the final though.
And what about Porto??? This boring "ugly" team... they won the CL (how the hell that happened, I still don't unerstamd... Porto=Greece) because of their defence play.

OK, when they (Porto) do it again, we will discuss it for now there is no point in arguing for things like that. Facts speak for itself - Italy has done NOTHING special since the ages of defensive football, despite the galore of qulaity players they have on the team.
It is very shallow, to compare Italy with Greace and Porto just because these last two don't play like Brazil. There are many factors that can influence the result of a game, circumstances (others call it luck, I don't believe in luck) being one of them. Greece won becase all the big teams were really exhausted and played like crap, Porto won against who? Real, Milan, no they took advantage of the circumstances i.e. no BIG teams to pay with.

Tell me zlatanov, every example I'll bring u'll tell me "ok when that happens again we will discuss it"? I didn't compare Greece and Porto with Italy, u said that u can't win trophies by playing defencive and I used that 2 teams to prove the otherwise.. ok.
And I think this exhustion wasn't a big factor in euro, at least not as in WC 02.
CL got cut, and now it 4 games shorter than what it was 2 years ago. And if u didn't notice no big teams was involved higher than quarters (Porto, Depor, Chelsea and Monaco made to the semis) so all the big-shots like Zidane or Nedved got planty time to rest. I think in that terms of fitness and as u say "exhaustion" Greece was equal to most of the teams and specialy to the Chezh Rep. and Portugal.
I agree with u that "circumstances" play a major role in football, and sometimes average teams hit the black-jack.

Ok stop it. The main point is any defensive team wouldnot won any championship. I was so sad to see Italy got beat in that Golden Goal from Trez, but that's not only canna's fault. This is all Italian style game. Why do they have to defend after they lead?? If they attack all the time, I don't see any team will score against them. Remember at that time, They still had Maldini, and they had the best defence in the world.
Ok Back to the Topic, So is it means that Galliani pulled ourselves out of Gilardino race??

Brazil are the most successful international team and its not a coincidence that they are the most offencive team. Milan have shown the Azzuri that there is no longer room for cantenacio in football if there ever was.

well, In my mind is, even if you've superb defence, it means nothing. the will keep attacking u and one day that defence will be collapse. not tha I'm saying that we'll buy alot of attacking characteristic player, but rather that make a team more offensive than plaing too much defence, like Italy NT. Well, they should learn from Milan. We already have the foundation, Hard Rock defensive force. but if we get attacking all the time like the Depor game, we'll be collapse, even w/ Jaap addition or others.

Originally Posted by Maldini_Sheva

well, In my mind is, even if you've superb defence, it means nothing. the will keep attacking u and one day that defence will be collapse. not tha I'm saying that we'll buy alot of attacking characteristic player, but rather that make a team more offensive than plaing too much defence, like Italy NT. Well, they should learn from Milan. We already have the foundation, Hard Rock defensive force. but if we get attacking all the time like the Depor game, we'll be collapse, even w/ Jaap addition or others.

Exactly the point I was trying to make.
Now, back to the Gilardino topic. Knowing Galliani I wouldn't take that as "Milan pulling out of the race" no not at all. He just answered questions in his usual style denying everything, even that white is white, and also said that Milan has any right to chase Gilardino and nothing in this would be against the rules of the game. This last one was in response to allegations from Roma that Milan is behind the prolonged contract of Gila with parma and thus going behind Roma's back in their negotiations.
Galliani simply said that Roma and Milan have equal rights in trying to sign Gilardino and denied any Milan involvement in his contract extension with Parma. Underlined this by stating that Milan are more than covered in attack this season. But all reports are for Gila being destined for Milan from NEXT season and not this one.
Basically, a typical Galliani cloud of dust in the eyes of the reporters.