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Old 30-09-2009, 07:02   #61

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Finnally he said something normal. Lets see if he will DO something good for Milan now. I can understand that he cantinvest when Italia is in crisis, but he can invest "outside investors" money. Which dont even need to excist

Seriousely, maybe Milan gets some money from outside and sells secretly some parts of the club. There are stil good players who can help us and can be bought in january: VdV, Rafinha. maybe Santacroce, Hernanes, Giuliano etc...
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Old 30-09-2009, 07:23   #62

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I don't think what Berlu said has any meaning to it at all. He calls it a disaster but until the moment he accepts that his policy of no investment and personal fantasies is why we're here I only think his biggest action will be to make Leo a scapegoat.
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Old 01-10-2009, 23:20   #63

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I posted this link in the Football as a business thread, but think its also applicable here....A cautionary tale with regard to selling the club: make sure the new owners really have money!!!

http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&s...m-player-wages
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:53   #64

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Thats pretty interesting
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Old 02-10-2009, 11:52   #65

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milans future

i dont believe Qaddafi will put a penny in Milan,i dont believe he has any time or intrest in football ,even if ac milan was offerd free to him i dont think he cares!

but if Libyan investment money buys 35% of the club ii think it would be good for us for two reasons:

1-we will have alot of money in our hands as i am sure Berlusconi will sell the 35% for a very good deal.

2-the club will still be with the same identity,i want Berlusconi to stay but Galiani to leave "as i believe 100% the arrogant mistake of selling kaka was made by Galiani-the friend of Florintino Perez",i dont believe that berlusconi was behind it,Berlusconi was stupid and arrogant to believe that ronaldihno would replace kaka's absence,but im sure now berlusconi learned a lesson to not think he is super smartman anymore,and that he will stop his mad discusions.
in ac milan our club use to keep the big stars not sell them,ac milan use to bring players that have an ac milan character in them .the ac milan family was the only real family and thats where our sucess came from.
berlusconi started that family as i believe,yes he has messed up big time the past 2 years but i hope he looks back into hisself and makes the right deciosions with his milan mind and milan future.

i hope we dont become a new arsenal or manchester city.if we do............i'l better look for a premier leauge team to follow
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:30   #66

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There is an interesting article on theGuardian/football website today by Amy Lawrence, who writes that the Berlusconi family wants to sell...

As the economic strength of any buyer is of utmost importance (as in the case of the Portsmouth story), I only hope and pray that the purchaser not only wants the best for the club, but can actually afford to spend the money necessary for the club to continue to be a force both in Serie A, andthe UCL...

The dwindling level of investment by Berlu is a sure sign that all may not be well with Berlu's financial situation...as the recession is known to affect both the rich and the poor...and as long as Milan revamp their income structure (ie be more aligned with EPL clubs, in owning their own stadium etc), then combined with an owner willing to invest year-in, year out, knowing that he is putting money into a money pit, then fine, we should be able to get back to the top in short order.

As to jornazi"s post regarding supporting another club if we look like Arsenal or Man City, don't wait dude....go ahead and switch allegiance now.

Arsenal are publicly owned, Man City was bought by a Sheikh...personally I don't support Milan because of who owns the club, I support a club that I have grown to love like no other, for footballing reasons.

Fans who base allegiance on the ownership structure of a club, for me, shouldn't even call themselves fans....never thought I would use this term again, but I believe we can better refer to them as "Phans".
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Old 02-10-2009, 13:28   #67

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Finnally he said something normal. Lets see if he will DO something good for Milan now. I can understand that he cantinvest when Italia is in crisis, but he can invest "outside investors" money. Which dont even need to excist

Seriousely, maybe Milan gets some money from outside and sells secretly some parts of the club. There are stil good players who can help us and can be bought in january: VdV, Rafinha. maybe Santacroce, Hernanes, Giuliano etc...
I am hoping that we could somehow pass the CL group stage and when the re-registration window opens, we can add a few other names. but I doubt that it would make much difference. If I remember correctly, a team could only register 3 new names, and I am sure that Beckham will be one of them already. So you may buy a whole new team but you just can't use all of them in the CL.

And I think our Serie A campaign is over already.

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I posted this link in the Football as a business thread, but think its also applicable here....A cautionary tale with regard to selling the club: make sure the new owners really have money!!!

http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&s...m-player-wages
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Old 02-10-2009, 16:00   #68

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Sheik al Maktoum - UAE, is also struggling for money. UAE is currently being underwritten by Abu Dhabi ,the recession has hit UAE quite hard.

I think the lack of direction by Galliano has been the major contributing factor, why oh why didn’t we from awhile back start following the Arsenal way of doing business. We have a glamorous name and we can use this to attract talented youngsters from around the world and develop them thereby enabling us to compete at a high level and at an affordable cost . Right now we don't have any strategy, we are simply floating in space.
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Old 02-10-2009, 17:03   #69

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@ Iana: I think why Italian clubs in general, and Milan in particular don't follow the Arsenal model, (and Barca's as well) is mostly due to impatience...from both management and fans.

They both want instant success.

Neither set are willing to wait on youth to come of age, not when the demand is to win silverware like yesterday...

Look how long it has taken for Wenger to win anything, yet the fans and management were willing to wait, be patient, and support Wenger's strategy.

Barca have different issues, in that the ownership changes based on elections, but a similar situation evolved under Laporta's stweardship....they won a treble, with something like 7 youth products out of the 11 starters.

That will prob (unfortunately) never happen with Milan, though now is as good a time as any to rebuild with youth as the focus.
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@ Iana: I think why Italian clubs in general, and Milan in particular don't follow the Arsenal model, (and Barca's as well) is mostly due to impatience...from both management and fans.

They both want instant success.

Neither set are willing to wait on youth to come of age, not when the demand is to win silverware like yesterday...

Look how long it has taken for Wenger to win anything, yet the fans and management were willing to wait, be patient, and support Wenger's strategy.

Barca have different issues, in that the ownership changes based on elections, but a similar situation evolved under Laporta's stweardship....they won a treble, with something like 7 youth products out of the 11 starters.

That will prob (unfortunately) never happen with Milan, though now is as good a time as any to rebuild with youth as the focus.
I think you have a point regarding wanting success. But that does not mean we want instant success. But it is true to say a season without being there or thereabouts is a disappointment. Especially considering who we are and what has been achieved for the past 20 years.

However, Wenger is liked by the fans only as long as they are winning. The moment things go wrong their fans get the knives out. I have heard it a million times on phone ins here. The reason the management love him is because he picks up cheap/young players and sells them on for a healthy profit.

Regarding developing young players it is difficult to do when the pitch is uneven. EPL clubs (especially Arsenal) come in for young players who cannot have professional contracts in Spain/Italy. Macheda at Man utd is a prime example.

And also i do not think there is an abundance of talented italian players emerging.
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:54   #71

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As to jornazi"s post regarding supporting another club if we look like Arsenal or Man City, don't wait dude....go ahead and switch allegiance now.

Arsenal are publicly owned, Man City was bought by a Sheikh...personally I don't support Milan because of who owns the club, I support a club that I have grown to love like no other, for footballing reasons.


can you share the football reasons that u loved milan for?
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:09   #72

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I don't think you should question Warro's love for Milan tbh, as this will open up another war of words.
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:17   #73

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can you share the football reasons that u loved milan for?
In my own case, I love Milan for some football reasons to start with, but later on the love becomes blind.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:22   #74

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Its not an issue really:

Simply put, I saw a black player, with dreadlocks, playing for the club, at a time in Jamaica when Rastas (the religous sect that started the Rastafarian religion, of which Bob Marley is an icon) were still being prosecuted and shunned by "proper" society...

Then I saw the football that he, and the team played, and never turned back. I became a Milan fan for those reasons...didn't even know who Berlusconi was, knew nothing except that if a club could have a Rasta as a star player, that would be the club I would support....this despite my father being an Arsenal fan, and growing up in an english ex-colony.

Another reason (non-footballing) is that Bob Marley played to a sold out, standing room only performance in the San Siro, which made headlines in JA...I will never forget those pictures.

I have never really "liked" Berlusconi, his personbality nor his politics...I don't look a "gift horse in the mouth" though, and appreciate what he has done for the club....however, its clear he has lost interest in, or the ability to, finance the club, and as a "money-pit", the club needs the extra monetary input to continue to remain on top.
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Old 04-10-2009, 07:49   #75

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First of all, why does the ownership of a team affect your passion for your club.

I mean, do you see Man City fans switching to support ManU when that Sheih bought the team? Or Chelsea's fans supporting Arsenal b/c Roman bought the team?

I really don't know why some fans are against a non Italian ownership for Milan. And I said it before and saying it again. If you truly believe that Milan should be own by Italian ownership, to me it is the same as saying only Italians are worthy of being Milan fans.
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