Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Tony29

Gazzetta quoted Marca on that piece of news about Dinho.

My Spanish friends say that Marca is a reputable paper in Spain, even if pro-Madrid.

Yes, sorry, my mistake. Taken from Marca.

Still, the only ones who are still talking about Dinho to Milan are a pro-Real and pro-Milan newspapers. Like i said, i share their opinion that Dinho will someday end up in Milan, but AS stopped with Kaka to Milan rumors and Gazzetta is really pushing it.
I, as a Juve fan, don't like this rumors, understandably. I can only imagine how Barcelona fans feel (actually, Hasan, i also know few of those and none of them enjoys these rumors and they are all cursing Milan for their dirty play. I don't know how come the Barcelona fans you know are so calm).

There is not a day without "Dinho to Milan" written in Gazzetta, you read the paper and you know it's true. Only a photoshoped picture is needed and there will be no difference between AS and Gazzetta.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Yes, sorry, my mistake. Taken from Marca.

Still, the only ones who are still talking about Dinho to Milan are a pro-Real and pro-Milan newspapers. Like i said, i share their opinion that Dinho will someday end up in Milan, but AS stopped with Kaka to Milan rumors and Gazzetta is really pushing it.
I, as a Juve fan, don't like this rumors, understandably. I can only imagine how Barcelona fans feel (actually, Hasan, i also know few of those and none of them enjoys these rumors and they are all cursing Milan for their dirty play. I don't know how come the Barcelona fans you know are so calm).

There is not a day without "Dinho to Milan" written in Gazzetta, you read the paper and you know it's true. Only a photoshoped picture is needed and there will be no difference between AS and Gazzetta.

So, Gazzetta is not supposed to write about a transfer that could happen? Isn't that how it works?

My problem was more with Calderon and Mijatovic (can't stand Mijatovic) than AS. Schuster too. Although, to be fair, Ancelotti today said that "we wait for Dinho with open arms".

However, that still doesn't reach the levels of "Kaka should ask for a transfer, and I believe he will".

All of this was splashed in a Spanish newspaper, and Gazzetta reproduced it. My question to you is how are Milan playing dirty here? Clubs aren't allowed to bid? When Real bid 90 million, I didn't care. It was illegal approaches I was referring to. By the way that "club" today stoked the ire of Ajax. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...452651&cc=5901

I am talking about elementary standards of conduct. What Real do is sometimes illegal, and almost always crass.

To be sure, clubs are allowed to bid for players. Barcelona fans surely should know that.

Furthermore, the fans I was talking about were Real and Valencia fans.

Finally, as a fan of Italian football I would be thrilled if anyone (bar Inter) landed a star name like Tevez or Ronaldinho. Honestly, when it comes to Italian football I spurn my provincialism. I have immense respect for Juventus, and what they stand for. Therefore if papers tomorrow were laden with Dinho to Juve rumours I would be thrilled.

You should do the same. Come on, trade in that myopia for the big picture. A star comes in, and the league's profile goes up making it more likely for other teams (including the one in nel cuore ) to sign prominent names.

I dunno..my optimisim is waning...I doubt we will bring anybody in, apart from the mooted Emerson/Motta saga....but then again, that could be my well used, and often successfull "trick", of not believing something will happen, just so that it will.

But seriously, we may bring in one player, or two at the most (3rd string keeper maybe?)..but not the big star that I had hoped...

So, peters, if u havent gotten the cheque yet, its in the mail!

Having said all that, I still think Milan are very competitive, and if Ronaldo/Pippo can go for the majority of the season without getting injured, then, we can compete for every single trophy we play for.

FORZA MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILAN!!

I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen.

And even though it is said it won't happen there is not a day Gazzetta not to write about it. First it was how Dinho wants Milan and all the theories why he will join Milan this summer. And all the stories with his brother coming to talk, officially about RO, unofficially about Dinho. Then it was Dinho to join in January and all the theories how will it happen, now about Dinho joining next year, then Berly paying 125m for the release clause etc etc etc
Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse !

As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year.
As for their methods...it's all allowed. In Gazzetta i read many times how Ronaldo calls Dinho to Milan, Kaka talks in the locker rooms with Dinho about joining Milan etc. If this is true then i doubt Milan officials aren't involved in this.
Remember Galliani and ... "Sheva knows what he should do " ?

Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen....Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse !

Ok, so are you blaming il Gazzetta then?

Originally Posted by Tony29.

As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year....

Hardly ever? Puhleeeease...ask Chelski about Robben, Ajax about Sjneider, and us about Kaka...Madrid have behaved borderline illegaly with regard to all of these targets.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing

Tony, I cannot agree with you in this matter, as I firmly believe Milan have acted like gentlemen the entire time with regard to this "transfer saga"...and if Gazzetta prints something, is it our fault? Likewise with AS..Madrid cannot be blamed for their (ie AS´s) excesses...but we never heard Galliani et al go on like Calderon et al, over transfer targets...

Plus, Calderon and Real just had their wrists slapped, and had to come up with 3M more, just because your "hero", Predrag, had a hissy fit and stalked out of a meeting with Ajax over Sjneider....and these guys are on the same level with Milan? Dont think so.

So, AS > Gazetto in terms of inanity
and Calderon/Madrid > Milan in terms of acting like spoiled brats, and behaving in an ungentlemanly way. (Not saying that we are perfect, but relative to Madrid, we are Saints)

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen.

And even though it is said it won't happen there is not a day Gazzetta not to write about it. First it was how Dinho wants Milan and all the theories why he will join Milan this summer. And all the stories with his brother coming to talk, officially about RO, unofficially about Dinho. Then it was Dinho to join in January and all the theories how will it happen, now about Dinho joining next year, then Berly paying 125m for the release clause etc etc etc
Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse !

As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year.
As for their methods...it's all allowed. In Gazzetta i read many times how Ronaldo calls Dinho to Milan, Kaka talks in the locker rooms with Dinho about joining Milan etc. If this is true then i doubt Milan officials aren't involved in this.
Remember Galliani and ... "Sheva knows what he should do " ?

Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing

Actually there is something grossly illegal about adding conversations that didn't take place. Note, AS added an actual transcript. People can sue for libel in that case, and it happens quite often. Mijatovic said that "we will not surrender for C. Ronaldo and Kaka". Those were his words, even though he conceded that it's difficult to get them.

Finally, Gazzetta is fairly reliable. I have rarely found it to be wrong. Some of my Italian friends are rabidly anti-Milan, but they read Gazzetta daily. It has a sterling reputation. They don't fabricate just for the sake of it, and they have sources close to Milan. I don't expect papers to play nice all the time, so of course Gazzetta are guilty of providing grist for the rumour mill.

I must say though Tony, I agree with the general thrust of your argument. In football, no one is innocent it seems, and fans are always ready to to turn a blind eye to their own faults.

But Real have managed to piss off Milan, Man U, Ajax, Chelsea, and Arsenal. Surely, there is something wrong in this picture.

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Hardly ever? Puhleeeease...ask Chelski about Robben, Ajax about Sjneider, and us about Kaka...Madrid have behaved borderline illegaly with regard to all of these targets.

I was talking about Kaka case. And i do think they hardly ever gone over the limit.

Calderon, in order to win the elections, is promising Kaka. Real is claiming all the time they will buy Kaka.
Not something Milan fans want to hear, but hardly illegal, don't you agree?
Berlusconi, DURING THE SEASON, when Barcelona is fighting for the tittle , and losing it eventually, comes up with "I have 100m euro prepared to bring Dinho to Milan" . Isn't this unsettling a player of another team ?
I don't think ( i might be wrong though) Real Madrid illegally approached Kaka or his agent. They did say that IF Kaka comes to Milan he'll be getting XYm euro per season.
They are unsettling Kaka, but absolutely the same thing was, and is still being done, to Ronaldinho by Berlusconi, Ancelotti, Galliani.

These Milan trio still claims that they will do everything to buy Dinho and Real is doing the same thing with Kaka.

And Galliani about Shevchenko... "Sheva knows what to do" and how should he get out of Chelsea and join Milan !!! What the hell is this ?

And so what if Mijatovic said they will not surrender for CR7 and Kaka ?
Milan are saying the same thing about Ronaldinho, absolutely the same thing.

As a Juve fan i've seen the power of Gazzetta. Moggi may be a luying cheater but i completely trust him when he said that the pink newspaper had the main role in Calciopoli. He claims the transcriptions from Gazzetta have nothing to do with the original conversations. He claims Gazzetta twisted the words comletely and all the ones who heard the original tapes can confirm that.
I spent the whole year reading Gazzetta articles about Buffon to Milan. They didn't leave the player in peace for the entire year. Now they are doing the same with Ronaldinho.

@ Hasan....i don't know if Gazzetta is fabricating news or not, but how can you say they are rarely wrong ? 99% of the transfer news they gave this summer were completely wrong and 99% of the "sure deals" never happened.
But ok, lets wait. There is still time until August 31 so they may guess a thing or two.

Berlusconi and Moggi have a big history of "step from illegal" buying players. Juve got half of the players that way, by blackmailing the teams. Milan from the past....did you guys read the stories about how did Berlu got Donadoni and the role of the prostitutes in this purchase ? How did he get Lentini ?
And the latest with Suazo ??? You had in your official page that you've officially signed Suazo even though the player never wanted Milan and never agreed to join Milan.

Milan officials gentlemen about transfers That's like saying that Moggi was the most honest person in Italy.

Well, in relative terms, we are gentlemen compared to Real...and thats the basis of my argument here...

Berlu may have misbehaved in the past...who hasnt? And Juve for certain, cannot be held in higher regard than either Milan, or Real for that matter...

But the bottom line is: Comparing us to Real is a joke, as we have never gone as far as they have in recent memory(and...please, comparing Berlu now to the Berlu of 10 years ago is disingenius in the extreme)

Tony29

Real illegally approached Kaka last summer. Milan threatened to take them to court.

Gazzetta had the verdicts for Calciopoli well in advance. They have always been right about transfers in the past, but that doesn't mean their speculation will be off a bit.

Like I said the most respected sports paper in Italy. The country's paper of record when it comes to sports.

I hadn't heard of Donadoni, but Moggi was the PIMP of choice. He also, btw, allegedly provided Maradona a prosthetic penis full of urine, so that he would pass the test.

I am aware that Berlu isn't angelic, btw.

So, that being sorted...nothing else new on the horizon for Milan? Carlo says that for him, the mercato is closed...(like he ever had anything to do with it in the first place )...but is it?

acmilan.com:

THE BEST CONDITION
8/13/2007 6:27:00 PM
Ancelotti spoke during the press conference: the Trofeo Tim will be useful to improve the condition. Inzaghi will be available, Ronaldo will be back after the Trofeo Berlusconi. Sevilla is a very dangerous team.

Transfer Market. “Emerson or Motta? They are both excellent midfielders, but for me the market is closed.”

Trofe Tim. “These are two matches, just like the Trofeo Berlusconi, which will help us to achieve the best condition. We are decreasing the workloads , we are starting to make more brilliant work, the squad is now aiming to improve and in this sense the matches against Inter and Juve will be useful. There’s the desire to play well, to do well. The result right now is the last of my thoughts. We shall play everyone. Inzaghi is recovered and he will be back. Ronaldo will have to wait after the Trofeo Berlusconi.”

In the pre-season friendlies, the Italian teams did not always do well abroad. “The foreign teams are doing a lighter preparation, they try to reach the best condition straight, they don’t give too much importance to the initial basis which is a strong point in the preparation of the Italian teams: the initial workloads are important, but obviously they tire the legs, therefore you go abroad and the teams run faster than you. The Italian preparation is meant for a medium-long term: the condition is reached later on and gives its results later.”

European Supercup. “The squad which will play the Supercup is more or less ready; it does not need to be tested. It’s a team we all know, it does not need any kind of automatism, and it’s only a matter of condition. Now we have these two games, then a week to prepare for the league and the Supercup.”

Sevilla. “It’s a strong team. Very aggressive, very quick. Very fearful. Compared to Liverpool, they have the same aggressiveness, the same order but more velocity and ability upfront. It’s a very dangerous team. A very complicated period awaits them, with the matches of the Spanish Supercup against Real, the preliminary round and the league, but we shall arrive on the 31st of August in a very good condition.”

Ronaldinho. 'Let’s wait. We’re here with arms wide open...”

Suazo. “No one has any criticism to make about him. He made a professional choice.”

Inzaghi. “He’s not at 100%, but he must start playing a bit at a time, to improve his condition.”

Giuly. “I agree, he was a very good purchase by Roma. For the characteristics of the team he will be very important”.

Before leaving, Ancelotti announced the two formations which will play tomorrow night. In midfield Brocchi, Gattuso and Ambrosini will play in one game; Pirlo, Gattuso and Gourcuff in the other. Kaka and Seedorf will play both games. In attack, Inzaghi and Gilardino will alternate. In defence, Oddo, Bonera, Kaladze and Favalli first, then Cafu, Simic, Nesta and Serginho in the second game.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I don't think ( i might be wrong though) Real Madrid illegally approached Kaka or his agent.

They have illegally approached kaka and his agent. kaka has informed Milan about the meeting. Obviously you haven't been reading enough about the scum from Madrid.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

And the latest with Suazo ??? You had in your official page that you've officially signed Suazo even though the player never wanted Milan and never agreed to join Milan.

So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should.

Originally Posted by hwmook

So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should.

Originally Posted by hwmook

So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should.

Cagliari's team president had even publicly denied having contact with Moratti about Suazo's transfer, even though it was already 99% in the bag. It's not as if Milan were acting like a--holes during this transaction.