All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

I knew you were joking man, I was just messing with you

Originally Posted by Egoistka

Jeasus Christ!!! Is Galliani an IDIOT? How much more money does he need to feel happy???? Its all about money, isnt it? If he had a deal with Moggi about Juve 1st and Milan 2d he got himself something out of that..couple of millions...or more? Idiot! Such a good team as Milan deserved f*cking first place!b If it appears to be truth, I might kill him..really!

CHill out and for the sake of reasonable and somewhat intellectual discussion on subject matters please refrain from making such comments...you don't need to be a drama queen 24/7 to have people in this forum listen to you....

thanks

Originally Posted by Billy_Montreal

CHill out and for the sake of reasonable and somewhat intellectual discussion on subject matters please refrain from making such comments...you don't need to be a drama queen 24/7 to have people in this forum listen to you....

thanks

I am not playing any "drama queen" and i am not trying to make people to listen to me in any way..who wants to notice my comments on whatever - notices them, who doesnt - doesnt. I say what i think and its relevant to a topic plus I didnt say anything offensive...so i didnt brake any forum rules..did I? Everyone is discussing a topic and that is my way of discussing this particular thing. So if you dont like me in general - that is your problem...please refrain from making such comments towards me everytime I post smth..OK?

Originally Posted by Milanista4ever

So we let our domestic and European rivals strengthen themselves but we don't cos of some stupid principles....I don't understand this logic

Well the stupid logic was out there already. People like you have established it. Juve cant win scudetti honestly so they have to cheat. Tell me pal... why would we want players who need help from the general manager to win titles for us? The logic of Juve being cheaters implies the players on their own qualities cant win any titles for their club. Oh!!!! Now you want them in Milan. What stupid priciples or stupid logic brought you to that conclusion Einstein? Watch yourself child when you go calling other people's principles stupid especially when they are principled.

How many players know the exact runnings of their club's board ? What if the Milan board was found guilty in match fixing ? Then all the times Kaka beat 2 or 3 people and scored meant he wasn't good enough to do it by himself but needed outside help. Or all the times Shevchenko scored incredible goals, the opposition didn't try 100% to stop him. What if we go way back to Weah's incredible goal against Verona in 96, maybe the Verona players knew they weren't supposed to tackle him properly so they gave up and let him run the length of the pitch, beat about 6 players and score from 18 yards.

Maybe i'm exaggerating, but if the players genuinely don't know the match is fixed their display is not altered at all. If Zambrotta doesn't know he's in a one sided game, he'll still be running up and down the line, giving 100% and any time he beats a few people, makes a good tackle or gets in a good cross, it's because he has the skill to do so, not because the opposition let him do it.

Hardly any players know the exact runnings of the board, do you really think that Kaka or Vogel know everything that Galliani, Braida, Berlusconi and Co. are up to ? I don't and i doubt the Juventus players did either. Which to my eyes means that Zambrotta is good enough to play for us.

Originally Posted by Kui

Well the stupid logic was out there already. People like you have established it. Juve cant win scudetti honestly so they have to cheat. Tell me pal... why would we want players who need help from the general manager to win titles for us? The logic of Juve being cheaters implies the players on their own qualities cant win any titles for their club. Oh!!!! Now you want them in Milan. What stupid priciples or stupid logic brought you to that conclusion Einstein? Watch yourself child when you go calling other people's principles stupid especially when they are principled.

Such principles of not buying Juve players cos we should be nice are STUPID...If you still think that Juve don't cheat then I'm not sure what to tell you....if the whole evidence and scandal is still not enough for you, I don't know what is

Nobody said Juve players are responsible for their dirty manager's work....they may or may not have won without fixing games but nobody can dispute that SOME of their players are good enough to play for Milan or any top side....so going by your "logic" we shouldn't buy players from small clubs cos they can't win a title on their own...so we shouldn't go for Gourcuff and other quality players because of that...give me a break...wake up and smell the coffee!

That is beside the point. They all suck through and through. Not Milan material. That is why they play for Juve....duh!!! So up yours on your logic BS.

so going by your "logic" we shouldn't buy players from small clubs cos they can't win a title on their own...so we shouldn't go for Gourcuff and other quality players because of that...give me a break...wake up and smell the coffee!

No this is your logic. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

How many players know the exact runnings of their club's board ? What if the Milan board was found guilty in match fixing ? Then all the times Kaka beat 2 or 3 people and scored meant he wasn't good enough to do it by himself but needed outside help. Or all the times Shevchenko scored incredible goals, the opposition didn't try 100% to stop him. What if we go way back to Weah's incredible goal against Verona in 96, maybe the Verona players knew they weren't supposed to tackle him properly so they gave up and let him run the length of the pitch, beat about 6 players and score from 18 yards.

Maybe i'm exaggerating, but if the players genuinely don't know the match is fixed their display is not altered at all. If Zambrotta doesn't know he's in a one sided game, he'll still be running up and down the line, giving 100% and any time he beats a few people, makes a good tackle or gets in a good cross, it's because he has the skill to do so, not because the opposition let him do it.

Hardly any players know the exact runnings of the board, do you really think that Kaka or Vogel know everything that Galliani, Braida, Berlusconi and Co. are up to ? I don't and i doubt the Juventus players did either. Which to my eyes means that Zambrotta is good enough to play for us.

I never said that they knew about the workings of Moggi. In Buffons case, that dipsh!t was on his own agenda. Now m4ever wants that taint to come to Milan? Please! Look... I'm using the logic of all people who said Juve sucked and couldnt win cause they cheat and throwing it back in their faces for NOW they want all the second hand pickings from that club.

Kui, if you're talking about people who are saying that Juve was wining dirty, and couldn't have won anything otherwise, and then say this :

Originally Posted by MiLaNiSt

Zambrota is what we need.

Originally Posted by seven!

If we want Our side to play excelent then we should sign :
- Ibra
- Zambrotta
- Mutu

Originally Posted by mk18

ah i agree on mutu, id like to grab him from juve hes always been a favorite of mine

Originally Posted by lked

bringing in Milan Zambrota , Cannavaro , Emerson
Ac Milan is going to be Impartible

Originally Posted by Vonim

If Juve goes down i would take these 5 players ( Buffon, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Vieira and Trezeguet),
.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

I would go for Buffon, Zambrotta, Emerson, Marchioni, Zlatan, and would seriously consider Del Piero and Trez.

Originally Posted by triniman

Emerson:
Very workman like and the reason for juve midfield meging so dominant in the serie A ,plus he has the tendancy to score critical goals from time to time and has a very powerful right footed shot....

what is there not to like about him???

Originally Posted by Vonim

Trezeguet. The best player in the world in front of the goal. Real goal machine that very rarely misses a chance. .

Originally Posted by Josh-Sheva

I want Zlatan, and i disagree.. He is not the same as Pippo anad Gila, every striker has a different style. O yeah.. he is a super freestyler!

Originally Posted by rae

Why not buying whole squad of zebras? ..

then i see your point !
But if it's yours only opinion that Milan shouldn't sign any of these players because it won't change anything on better, or it will connect Milan with the scandal, then i respect your opinion but i don't agree with it.
All these players will give a new dimension to Milan's play, they will certanly make your team much stronger, and there's no way ,imo, for Milan to be conected with the scandal, or get an image of dirty players buyer, just because some Juve players joined your team !

Makes us pimps. No wonder so many are zealous for Juve to go down. First they say you guys suck and then now want to take, take, and take.

Originally Posted by Kui

Makes us pimps.

Looooooooooooooooooooooooool !!!!

Nah, it won't make you pimps.
Milan fans want Juve players, Juve fans will chose Milan for their players if they have to leave Juve and join some other top team in Italy...so why opposing to this ?
It will certanly make you look like a team with principles, but it will make Milan look as a naive team that lost itself in the bussiness world of football, and Berlusconi is certanly not a naive guy. He'll grab the chance, you'll see !!

Kui, I see your point, but I think there's nothing wrong with the juve players...
As I know, the scandal is about the reffers.
For me, in the last years, the thing I didn't like about Juve was that in some games, in which juve supposed to loose, refs helped them to avoid the defeat. And you know, everywhere the refs make mistakes, what was wrong was that refs never made mistake against juve. Everywhere the refs do help to the big teams, but sometimes refs are making few mistakes against the big teams. I mean that becouse the refs you would get 8 points (for example) and the refs will take 5 from them (for example). But Juve gets their 8 points thanks to the refs, and at the same time they DON'T loose 5 points, becouse the refs DO NOT make mistakes against them.
So, compared to the other clubs (Milan, Inter, Roma, etc), Juve gets after all 5 additional points, and these points are making the difference in the final standing, with them Juve becomes the champion...

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

I mean that becouse the refs you would get 8 points (for example) and the refs will take 5 from them (for example). But Juve gets their 8 points thanks to the refs, and at the same time they DON'T loose 5 points, becouse the refs DO NOT make mistakes against them.
So, compared to the other clubs (Milan, Inter, Roma, etc), Juve gets after all 5 additional points, and these points are making the difference in the final standing, with them Juve becomes the champion...

One question:
Where did Milan lose those 5 points. Where did the refs take 5 points from Milan ?
I really don't see the logic in your post, sorry !
If it was said: Juve gets 15 additional points given from the refs, and Milan gets only 8, then ok,we could talk about it and i could maybe even accept it, but the way you put it, it doesn't makes sence, since i can't see where did Milan lose those 5 aditional points !!

Makes us pimps....LOL....yup, picture Berlu as a pimp? Easy...and though Kui, as principled as he is, would frown on such an association, I dont..simply because its just another form of exploitation, that we all benefit from anyway...

But I dont want to get into politics here, I am just laughing at my mental image of Berlu in a Red Versace suit, with black silk shirt and tie, red and black top hat in hand, walking stick, and Emerson, Zambrotta, and Buffon, all in lingerie, highheels, and other ho apparel, a respectful distance behind him..

Warro you have a vivid imagination to be thinking of those Juve players in drag ! Have you been over Trini's place celebrating T&T's draw with Sweden and had some really strong .... umm ... 'stuff' ??

On a side note, do Jamaican people support T&T in the world cup ? I can't imagine there to be a fierce rivalry about it all, but i might be wrong.