Sack Allegri.......

Originally Posted by kogalo

The big problem is, he is not learning. What has he done different to make you believe he is learning? Don't you see he keeps trying the same exact ideas with every game? Dont you see how limited his ideas are? Against Auxierre, Ac Milan was completely lost and he was saved by circumstances that lead to robinho and boateng entering the game. Against Madrid, his three forwards were too predictable just as with Juve and any other team that has beat Milan so far.
You cannot restrict players like robinho and ronaldinho.. that in itself is a blunder. Robinhos greatest strength is his football iq. Use his the way brasil does. Let him go where ever he want and he will open doors to the goal. Same with ronaldinho, also a very intelligent player.Allegri is totally clueless. he has shown

Totally agree. $#!tlegri is actually beginning to scare me with his tactical rigidity and lack of imagination or creativity.

Pato, Ron, Rob and iHomo haven't suddenly become the CRAP they appear to be....Allegri seems clueless We are still living off individual MOMENTS of brilliance off these guys...but what about when they have an offday or sometimes a player himself can't interpret an opponent's tactics what then?

We ALL know our fullbacks are lame and we need at least one world class CM but this impotent team is the result of an impotent coach. I refuse to believe or blame Anto's mistake totally for the second goal. Actually Anto recovered but even then got no support. It's the same in attack. If Pato or iHomo don't do it all on their own or get a perfect ball from Ronaldinho we're screwed

Regarless of what you all have said, I still believe in Allegri.

What you can see, I can be sure Allegri saw farther.

Main problem is not he didn't learn, is his students didn't learn.

He couldn't do anything when Ibra, Pato, Sokratis,... didn't score or Antonini was the reason for all the goals: 2 mistakes & 1 assist.

Originally Posted by kogalo

I can almost say with certainty that with Allegri, Ac Milan will never finish serie A in any position better than mid table.

I will remember your say.

Originally Posted by kogalo

Watch how Madrid will mercilessly maul Ac Milan at san siro on tuesday.. then tell us aghain what Allegri has learned.

Saw the time when I posted. It was before vs Madrid in San Siro. To talk about future, let's talk in the future. What I saw he learned from Madrid game which one is that he didn't use same players (old players).

Originally Posted by drucurl

Totally agree. $#!tlegri is actually beginning to scare me with his tactical rigidity and lack of imagination or creativity.

Pato, Ron, Rob and iHomo haven't suddenly become the CRAP they appear to be....Allegri seems clueless We are still living off individual MOMENTS of brilliance off these guys...but what about when they have an offday or sometimes a player himself can't interpret an opponent's tactics what then?

We ALL know our fullbacks are lame and we need at least one world class CM but this impotent team is the result of an impotent coach. I refuse to believe or blame Anto's mistake totally for the second goal. Actually Anto recovered but even then got no support. It's the same in attack. If Pato or iHomo don't do it all on their own or get a perfect ball from Ronaldinho we're screwed

May I remind you mate, the player (Ronaldo) who had problem with transvestite is not playing anymore with AC Milan. I thought you know that.

Originally Posted by Siregar

May I remind you mate, the player (Ronaldo) who had problem with transvestite is not playing anymore with AC Milan. I thought you know that.

Ronaldo got drunk out of his mind picked up who he thought were female prostitutes and upon discovery of his fail RAN. He did not stand up and passionately kiss Gerrard Pique. Now that's out of the way how about posting something relevant?

Like I said since week 3, Alegri is a joke and I am scared sh*tles of what Real can do to us in return game.

Originally Posted by fLame

Like I said since week 3, Alegri is a joke and I am scared sh*tles of what Real can do to us in return game.

I am still waiting for the game vs Madrid in San Siro to know if he has really learned a lot from the previous game in Madrid.

As much as I have reservations about $#!tlgri(don't quite hate him yet ), I think it's imperative we win vs Madrid for sooooo many reasons. One is the obvious financial reward. Another is that the status of the team has been taking a beating of late. Hence knowing the above the players will be more motivated than usual to come out in full force. So if we win wednesday I won't know how much credit I could give Allegri for it.

Originally Posted by OCmilano

Any new people joining the club after todays match?

No, it's quite silly how only a loss will do the damage to the coach's reputations. Several loss, maybe, but not this one. (MAYBE) only the thrashing of 4-0 from our biggest rivals or some random minnows will do. Actually we're in top three, one point from Inter (who cares about Lazio anyway), scudetto is in sight....

"Regarding the defence, it is strong or weak depending on the work they do in midfield and attack. It's all a question of balance that Allegri has probably not found just yet," Ancelloti being modest on Allegri...


Why hasn't Allegri ever played all the 4( dinho, binho, ibra, pato) forwards together when they are healthy? Many will say because its a defensive suicide and Allegri clearly thinks so. But this is the best possible defense Ac Milan could ever field. The day you will see the four all together on the field , you will see a Milan that looks like barca or brazil.. Three forward are easily shut down if there isnt a supportive midfield.
Think about it this way... barcelona plays Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi.. these are five forwards with very little defensive capabilities except for a bit of Xavi.. and still destroy teams. Even a defensive coach as Mourinho still fields four forward(ozil, di maria, ronaldo, higuain). Brazil does it, Arsenal does it but Allegri is scared to death. Instead he would rather play an old seedorf and have ronaldinho or Robinho or Pato on the bench. Seriously speaking, does anyone here believe that seedorf will offer anything on the pitch better than Robinho, or Dinho or Pato? If Seedorf was a Mascherano or a Yaya Toure, maybe I could buy that. This ideology of playing seedorf ahead of the geniuses is enough to tell me all I need to know about Allegri. He is clueless.

Originally Posted by kogalo

"Regarding the defence, it is strong or weak depending on the work they do in midfield and attack. It's all a question of balance that Allegri has probably not found just yet," Ancelloti being modest on Allegri...


Why hasn't Allegri ever played all the 4( dinho, binho, ibra, pato) forwards together when they are healthy? Many will say because its a defensive suicide and Allegri clearly thinks so. But this is the best possible defense Ac Milan could ever field. The day you will see the four all together on the field , you will see a Milan that looks like barca or brazil.. Three forward are easily shut down if there isnt a supportive midfield.
Think about it this way... barcelona plays Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi.. these are five forwards with very little defensive capabilities except for a bit of Xavi.. and still destroy teams. Even a defensive coach as Mourinho still fields four forward(ozil, di maria, ronaldo, higuain). Brazil does it, Arsenal does it but Allegri is scared to death. Instead he would rather play an old seedorf and have ronaldinho or Robinho or Pato on the bench. Seriously speaking, does anyone here believe that seedorf will offer anything on the pitch better than Robinho, or Dinho or Pato? If Seedorf was a Mascherano or a Yaya Toure, maybe I could buy that. This ideology of playing seedorf ahead of the geniuses is enough to tell me all I need to know about Allegri. He is clueless.

Fail. (Xavi and Iniesta are midfielders. Xavi a forward? You are what you think of Allegri )

Originally Posted by kogalo

"Regarding the defence, it is strong or weak depending on the work they do in midfield and attack. It's all a question of balance that Allegri has probably not found just yet," Ancelloti being modest on Allegri...


Why hasn't Allegri ever played all the 4( dinho, binho, ibra, pato) forwards together when they are healthy? Many will say because its a defensive suicide and Allegri clearly thinks so. But this is the best possible defense Ac Milan could ever field. The day you will see the four all together on the field , you will see a Milan that looks like barca or brazil.. Three forward are easily shut down if there isnt a supportive midfield.
Think about it this way... barcelona plays Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi.. these are five forwards with very little defensive capabilities except for a bit of Xavi.. and still destroy teams. Even a defensive coach as Mourinho still fields four forward(ozil, di maria, ronaldo, higuain). Brazil does it, Arsenal does it but Allegri is scared to death. Instead he would rather play an old seedorf and have ronaldinho or Robinho or Pato on the bench. Seriously speaking, does anyone here believe that seedorf will offer anything on the pitch better than Robinho, or Dinho or Pato? If Seedorf was a Mascherano or a Yaya Toure, maybe I could buy that. This ideology of playing seedorf ahead of the geniuses is enough to tell me all I need to know about Allegri. He is clueless.

I strongly disagree, you want to know why ?

Pato, Ronaldinho and Ibrahimovic are "lazy" forwards, what I mean by saying such a thing is that they don't track back when they lose the ball (they do it once here and there) ... Their workrate is very poor with and without the ball.

Did you notice how it is difficult to give them the ball sometimes ? It's because they don't move.

You want to compare to Real Madrid ? All the players you quoted press, track back if they lose the ball, and when they don't have the ball, they don't wait for a pass, they move, giving solutions to their partners (and as a consequence, losing less often the ball, and as a consequence, needing to track back less often).

You want to compare to Barcelona ? It's the same thing, the workrate off the ball if huge, and as a consequence, a player always has two or more solutions to make a pass, ...

Nowadays, regarding talent, I don't think we're second to any team in the world, our team could easily be back to the top (of course, we still need some additions here and there, especially in defence and midfield), but the main difference between us and the best teams right now is the workrate of our players. Our players don't really press, they rarely track back, and when they don't have the ball, they wait for the pass. It's a combination of factors making me think that having the 4 attacking players on the pitch at the same time nowadays would be suicidal !!

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I strongly disagree, you want to know why ?

Pato, Ronaldinho and Ibrahimovic are "lazy" forwards, what I mean by saying such a thing is that they don't track back when they lose the ball (they do it once here and there) ... Their workrate is very poor with and without the ball.

Did you notice how it is difficult to give them the ball sometimes ? It's because they don't move.

You want to compare to Real Madrid ? All the players you quoted press, track back if they lose the ball, and when they don't have the ball, they don't wait for a pass, they move, giving solutions to their partners (and as a consequence, losing less often the ball, and as a consequence, needing to track back less often).

You want to compare to Barcelona ? It's the same thing, the workrate off the ball if huge, and as a consequence, a player always has two or more solutions to make a pass, ...

Nowadays, regarding talent, I don't think we're second to any team in the world, our team could easily be back to the top (of course, we still need some additions here and there, especially in defence and midfield), but the main difference between us and the best teams right now is the workrate of our players. Our players don't really press, they rarely track back, and when they don't have the ball, they wait for the pass. It's a combination of factors making me think that having the 4 attacking players on the pitch at the same time nowadays would be suicidal !!

when you think about it with KPB,Flamini and Ambro aside we have a very lazy and low work rate midfield as well, yeah Pirlo runs back but how often does he make a succesful tackle or block? the same with Seedorf sometimes he might track back but he is there more as a number than a defending unit, we would need a vintage Rino or Mascherano for us to play all 4 of the strikers imo.

COACH ALLEGRI:

ON THE MATCH AGAINST JUVENTUS ON SATURDAY:
”We played well against Juventus on Saturday evening, it was one our best performances so far this season

from official site.

If that was one of our best performances Im even more depressed.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

when you think about it with KPB,Flamini and Ambro aside we have a very lazy and low work rate midfield as well, yeah Pirlo runs back but how often does he make a succesful tackle or block? the same with Seedorf sometimes he might track back but he is there more as a number than a defending unit, we would need a vintage Rino or Mascherano for us to play all 4 of the strikers imo.

Actually, I think there was some statistics which showed Pirlo made most interceptions of any Milan player.

The problem is he's easily beaten by pace often with little cover behind.