All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Intresting observations Tony 29, and I trust someone will source the most recent data to confirm/rebutt your numbers/rankings.

At least I hope so..

I was trying to find the most recent data, but it's impossibile to find.
If you try on google searching for the most visited websites or something with supporters ratings, or number of supporters, you'll see Juve as the only Italian club in Top 5, somewhere even in Top 10, but all these ratings are from 2005 and before.

But it will be interesting to see how many supporters will Juve have when they'll play in Serie B...then we'll see how many of the supporters really love Juve, and how many of them will :

Well the raw data, sure...but if you use, say merchandising, as the basis ofr the evaluation, i.e. which club has the biggest income from sales of merchandise...if we agree that this would be a good basis upon which to judge, then that data should be easily sourced.

(Even though we go increasingly off topic here)

and you are the master of subject changes Warro

Ahh yes, its good to be the King.

Nothing new ???

Warro, if no news will be heared in next 2 days, i'll go off topic again !!!!
Season 1996/97 could be an interesting subject.
You're too gentle with me lately, so i will have to start some provokative debate again

btw, any of you are members of some sport betting sites ?
I'm moderating 2 of them, so i would really want to have Warro as a member there

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Nothing new ???

Nope, nothing new, as far as I have read...the WCup is dominating the English speaking, and I am sure to a similar extent, the Italian press as well...so no news, which for your case, and that of your club, is good news.

Unfortunately for me, I am watching $hevchenko play for the Ukraine as I type this, and thinking of going to my obeah woman (Jamaican voodoo) to put a curse on him so he doesnt score any goals for Chelsea in the UCL...so I would welcome some "good" news of the "Juve relegated" variety...and/or "Del Piero to join Milan if Serie B for Juve"

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Warro, if no news will be heared in next 2 days, i'll go off topic again !!!!
Season 1996/97 could be an interesting subject.
You're too gentle with me lately, so i will have to start some provokative debate again

Sure, be my guest!

Warro, do me a favor and don't start your voodoo until the World Cup
We still need him to play for Ukraine, but after that you can voodoo as much as you please

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Unfortunately for me, I am watching $hevchenko play for the Ukraine as I type this, and thinking of going to my obeah woman (Jamaican voodoo) to put a curse on him so he doesnt score any goals for Chelsea in the UCL...so I would welcome some "good" news of the "Juve relegated" variety...and/or "Del Piero to join Milan if Serie B for Juve"

To be absolutely honest, he is still one of the best strikers in the world.

The question is, will Berlusconi era (error?@@"?) continue?

heard July 9 is when we are going to find out the punishments

Just after the final in Berlin?

is this true?
"Milan's position is worse than first thought and their penalty might range from a heavy point deduction to a demotion to Serie B football.

According to Borelli, apart from the 'Juve system', there also was the 'Milan system' which Adriano Galliani has denied in recent weeks. In the report it emerges that even though the system created by Moggi and Giraudo was the most powerful, the one involving the Rossoneri was only a step behind the Bianconeri's, and for this reason Milan are risking a lot."

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Well, all Juve sponsors announced they'll stay in Juve even if Juve falls in B, while SKY network announced they'll broadcast every Juve game even in Serie B.
I found a nice quote connected with this last info about SKY network:

If Juventus goes to serie B more people will be watching serie B than serie A. And Napoli-Juve will be The Match of the year in Italy because these clubs have more supporters than all the other clubs together.

One question ( for the Italians mostly): Why Juve has much more supporters in Italy than all the other clubs ?
Also in the world...? If i'm not wrong, some 5 years ago Juve was the team with most supporters in the world. Man Utd took the primat afterwards, but Juventus.com is still the most visited club page.
I became a Juve fan somewhere in 1995, but i addmit i wouldn't have become one in 1999 or in 2000's, because there were too many talks about Juve and their dirty games.
What i can't understand is why Juve was gaining more and more supporters, eventhough there were so many fixed games talks ?
Why does Italy , and the world, love Juve more than Inter, or Milan or Roma etc ?


P.S : The answer "There are more stupid people than smart ones" is not acceptable

Sorry i dont mean to cause offence but Tony i find it strange that you belive juve have massive number of supporters when they cant fill there own stadium? also they are down sizing there stadium right?
From the outside looking in i have much respect for juve and there ultras we met CL few years bk and juve defently have a hardcore element of fans that travel but not thousands and thousands?
In the uk more pepole see ac milan as the bigest team in italy - they fill there stadium every week etc and they seem to have a very big footballing history with the same atmosphere you would find around liverpool and man u.

Originally Posted by REDMAN_WALKING

Sorry i dont mean to cause offence but Tony i find it strange that you belive juve have massive number of supporters when they cant fill there own stadium? also they are down sizing there stadium right?
From the outside looking in i have much respect for juve and there ultras we met CL few years bk and juve defently have a hardcore element of fans that travel but not thousands and thousands?
In the uk more pepole see ac milan as the bigest team in italy - they fill there stadium every week etc and they seem to have a very big footballing history with the same atmosphere you would find around liverpool and man u.

Most of Juve's fans live outside Turin. They have the biggest fanbase in Italy.

Many workers from the South came to Turin to find jobs in industry and supported Juve. That is why Juve have a very strong following in the south for example...

Originally Posted by Jedi

is this true?
"Milan's position is worse than first thought and their penalty might range from a heavy point deduction to a demotion to Serie B football.

According to Borelli, apart from the 'Juve system', there also was the 'Milan system' which Adriano Galliani has denied in recent weeks. In the report it emerges that even though the system created by Moggi and Giraudo was the most powerful, the one involving the Rossoneri was only a step behind the Bianconeri's, and for this reason Milan are risking a lot."

Well no one can say it's true or false only the prosecutors can make a judgement.

It has been reported in tgcom.it, a website that frankly I consider a tabloid...but it could be true

While many of us are awaiting the Juve demise with glee, we forget in our myopia -- of which we are all guilty -- that Juve going down will be a big blow to Italian football and its ability to attract players. We also forget that we are not in the clear.

Italian football currently is also reflective of the sluggish Italian economy in general. The last thing we need is juve going down.

Italian football needs to be on a more level playing field and that needs to start with collective bargaining for TV rights.

TV rights is a sought after commodity and the big 3 have been hogging it. Hopefully we have more parity in that context.

While we would love to paint our club as a rosy picture of honesty the truth is quite prickly. Galliani's obvious conflict of interest renders any judgements regarding the Lega passed down as farcical. Now of course, one could argue that legislation should account for that and indeed it should. Hopefully, Guido Rossi will take care of that.

I am a fan of Milan but I am a fan of Italian football first and the truth is while the results on the pitch have been good, the finances etc. are not so hot. The wealth is circulated amongst the top 3 and then maybe Roma. It was not always thus. Serie A used to have 6 powerbrokers -- Milan, Juve, Inter, Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina -- but admittedly Juve and Milan were at the top. Nothing wrong with that but now it is verging on the absurd.

Furthermore, I have said this from day 1...only the prosecutors, magistrates etc. will make the decision not the newspapers. It indeed could be that we have done nothing wrong but it could also be that we are playing in Serie B.

However, I think with the verdicts nearing, the press is going to be bored so expect a lot of garbage.