Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Tony29.

If it makes you feel little better, there are general directors much cheaper than Galliani, and they work for Juventus.
My beloved Secco has jus signed Hasan Salihamidzic for free. This is the second free transfer Juve made in last 7 days.
Grygera was a good deal, since Nedved says he's the best european RB atm, and since all the guys from Holland who had the chance to watch him said he's a perfect solution for Juve...but why the hell Salihamidzic ???
Cheap cheap cheap Juve

You at least have rumours with Ronaldinho and with big money involved. All Juve does are free transfers from flee market.
And they didn't even get them now, and paid some 500 000 euro for them. Nooo, they get them for free in June !!!

there is nothing wrong in what Juve are doing. The team have lost lots of money with this demotion to Serie B after missing on huge financial injections from Tamoil and TV rights, ticket sales, legal fees, etc, etc ... and clubs are actually run with a plan that goes several years ahead in time, so it's not much of an argument to say that this is money Juve never had to begin with ... blows like these always hurt you, and hurt you bad.

the only way for Juve to make some big-name transfers, at least in the next several years, would be if the Agnielis come on a white horse and pay it out of their pockets, something they haven't been doing for some time now so, I would expect certain reluctance and cheapness on their side as well.

True, the club will sign some new sponsor deals once they are back in Serie A but don't forget that this money will have to be used to plug lots of financial holes left as a result of calciopolli and the Serie B demotion, so a very small portion of that money will go into investing in famous/promising and expensive players ... so, it would be up to the Alkans and such to cover the difference.

All in all, the next 2-3 years at least, the club will take to raise itself on it's feet but if they want big transfers, Juve will have to rely on "family" money - and by big, I mean nothing like 30-40 mil for a single player but more like 10 mil or so.
Of course, another "source" of cash would be the sales of players like buffon and Trez - Juve's only valuable assetts left - but that's exactly what the team wants to prevent by getting new, good players and building a new squad from the ground up.

Given the big number of players they would have to acquire - i would guess between 5-10 but closer to 10 - some of these players would have to be free agents, so that there is more money left for those "targets" that aren't available for free. And as it often happens with free agents, some of them won't be long term solutions (Salihamidzich is already 30) but still you are getting a vry good player with lots of experience for absolutely free, while a younger player of similar quality would cost you guys a good 10-15 mil our there.

i haven't seen this Faty guy play but Grygera and Hasan are two players I would have loved to see at Milan, especially considering they are free agents, in place of players like Cafu, Simic, Favalli, Billy etc, who would probably be moving on or retiring at the end of this year.

P.S. As for Grygera, calling him the best RB in Europe is understandable when it comes from a fellow Czech teammate but that's pushing it. Still, he is a very capable RB but the best thing about grygera is his versatility - he can play anywhere in midfield and defence, center or on the sides, and copes very, very well with all these tasks.
he's not the best or close to the best players in any of these positions but in all of them he is a player the coach can count on without worries and players like that are a true treasure for their teams

I know this you smart Bulgarian !!!
But i have the right to be angry, subjective, pissed off for what the relegation did to Juve and the right to be unreasonable !


Faty ( France u-21 captain) , Grygera ( Czech NT player), Braco Salihamidzic ( experienced, fast, fighter) and Mavuba ( Plattini's and Deschamps' favourite) may be useful and will be useful. I'm aware Juve can't give 60 M Euro for a CD, RB, RBM and DMC , but i i can always use the forums to show my frustration, eventhough i know things are as you described them in your post.

Anyway, did you and me had a 200 dollars bet that Lazio will wait until January 21st to sell Oddo to Milan, or we were only discussing it, without money involved ?

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I know this you smart Bulgarian !!!
But i have the right to be angry, subjective, pissed off for what the relegation did to Juve and the right to be unreasonable !


Faty ( France u-21 captain) , Grygera ( Czech NT player), Braco Salihamidzic ( experienced, fast, fighter) and Mavuba ( Plattini's and Deschamps' favourite) may be useful and will be useful. I'm aware Juve can't give 60 M Euro for a CD, RB, RBM and DMC , but i i can always use the forums to show my frustration, eventhough i know things are as you described them in your post.

well, then next time you feel like dishing out your frustration, maybe you could say so in a footnote to your post, so that I don't have to excercise my typing skills

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Anyway, did you and me had a 200 dollars bet that Lazio will wait until January 21st to sell Oddo to Milan, or we were only discussing it, without money involved ?

there is still a whole week left till then, so let's wait - there are some new meetings scheduled between Lazio and Milan for next week.
Your argument for the deal being closed only after 21st was mostly about Lotito taking his time to see if Lazio would be a viable candidate for CL spot. I, on the other hand, think that if the deal is indeed closed only after the 21st, it would be mostly because Lotito is hoping that, with the transfer deadline closing in, Milan would get desparate and would raise the ante and meet his a little ridiculous demands for a 30 yo player ... and that's part, a major one, of nrgotiations, pure and simple.

P.S. And no, we never talked about money, although I would be changing this statement if the deal is indeed closed next week, as I expect

Im also sure that Lazio will sell Oddo after Lazio - Milan game. And that will be it for our mercato....

But listen to this...Carlo says Cassano is a good player but we dont need THAT KIND OF A PLAYER? That is EXACTLY the kind of a player that we do need. He also says Beckham would always play in his linepu, and that Ronaldo's possible transfer can wait untill the summer. So, he wants Ronaldo and Beckham, 30 year old, finished players, but not Cassano? I really hate the fact he is still Milans coach....

P.S. Tony, dont worry about Gigi, Amelia is ok keeper for Juve

Originally Posted by mrki

But listen to this...Carlo says Cassano is a good player but we dont need THAT KIND OF A PLAYER? That is EXACTLY the kind of a player that we do need. He also says Beckham would always play in his linepu, and that Ronaldo's possible transfer can wait untill the summer.

I think he's talking more about his personality than his playing style. At least i'd hope so. As for Beckham..I fail to see where he would play in our midfield so I doubt Carlo was serious.

Originally Posted by mrki

Im also sure that Lazio will sell Oddo after Lazio - Milan game. And that will be it for our mercato....

But listen to this...Carlo says Cassano is a good player but we dont need THAT KIND OF A PLAYER? That is EXACTLY the kind of a player that we do need. He also says Beckham would always play in his linepu, and that Ronaldo's possible transfer can wait untill the summer. So, he wants Ronaldo and Beckham, 30 year old, finished players, but not Cassano? I really hate the fact he is still Milans coach....

Honestly what should Carlo say about why Milan isn't going for cassano? The truth? The truth is that Cassano is a spoiled brat that will be sidelined in every decen team that expects its players to respect their teammates, coaching staff, and management. is this what Carlo should say really???? The coach is just being politically correct by saying that we don't need that type of player ... and in a way he's right if by "this type of player" he means a spoiled crybaby that always creates issues wherever he goes.

regarding Ronaldo, what he said is that there is lots of time till june and the team is now only concerned with the january transfer market ... nothing more specific about whether we want ronaldo or not ... actually, Galliani put it plain and simple yesterday - "No, Milan is not interested in Ronaldo and there is no negotiation going on".
Also, Real are believed to be in a hurry to get rid of ronaldo as soon as possible i.e. in the January transfer market

what carlo said about beckham is that he, as a former midfielder himself, has always like beckham and if he were to play for Milan. beckham would have been used in midfield - probably what carlo means is that he wouldn't have used him as a winger. What he goes on to say however is that he and the Milan management have never directly spoken about/discussed Beckham as transfer target, same goes for Trezeguet, another player carlo speaks well of.

Milan going for beckham or not, it doesnt matter in the end as he is not in LA. But the fact that Carlo would play him in Milan in ridiculous by any means.

@ Tony29...

you guys are linked with the most promisin' Italian defender in Barzagli despite bein' in Serie B & you are complainin'? we at Milan have to deal with gettin' an unknown in Grimi... a washed-up veteran in Favalli... an overpriced soon to be veteran in Oddo... and we are supposedly chasin' a top four finish in Serie A as well as still bein' in the CL...

personally with Janku bein' Czech... i'm surprised we didn't even attempt to try for a free Grygera...

Originally Posted by zZ[-_-]Zz

personally with Janku bein' Czech... i'm surprised we didn't even attempt to try for a free Grygera...

I have to say that, with cafu soon to be gone, I am also surprised by Milan not going for Grygera, especially given he is a EU player, who was available for free.
Even if we do get Oddo, a versatile and quality player like Grygera is never a surplus for any team.

yeah... exactly what i think... we have a need for a RB... and Grygera comes free... what we are always interested in... but instead we are havin' to deal with play-hard Lazio for an overpriced Oddo whose time isn't exactly very long considerin' his age... even if we get Oddo... gettin' Grygera wouldn't be pointless considerin' his versatility...

Maybe you would have gone after him if Galliani didn't know that he "is" Juve player, since last summer.
Juve almost bought him for some 6-7 M EURO but then the Calciopolli verdicts came, and Juve made a deal with Grygera to wait until Juve's back in A.
I guess Galliani knew all this and that's why he didn't go after the Czech.
Although, Ajax as a third part in this deal could have stopped Grygera from going to Juve if Milan made a money offer now in January.

Inter getting involved and showing interess in Grygera speed up the process and that's why Juve secured him in January allready.

Plus, if Milan is indeed interested in Buffon, they would have made that purchase impossibile if they took Grygera in front of Juve's nose !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Plus, if Milan is indeed interested in Buffon, they would have made that purchase impossibile if they took Grygera in front of Juve's nose !

well, in that case, god speed to Grygera at Juve

Juventus just had their first ever loss in Serie B today, and buffon was injured. You know what we should do? We should get Abbiati back and send him to Juventus IMMEDIATELY .

Tony! Why are you freaking out? Maybe its because you know it in your heart that Buffon's career at Juve is soon going to end. Trust me, once you come back to Serie A, he will be a luxury for you as you won't need to compete for the top place.

One more thing, how much debt are Juve in? I think it is 133 MN Euros. Do you think that a person like Secco can resist 35 MN pound deal? No. No way! Juve will resist the offer in the beginning but will eventually succumb to the pressure.

well, if it's gonna take 35 mil BP to get Buffon, I for one hope Milan aint the club making that offer. There is only one keeper out there who can make up for Dida' sloss and that's Buffon but his realistic price is somewhere between 20 and 30 mil euros ... and even that's pushing it.