Winter Mercato

These are all valid points you made here Zlat.
The only thing that confuses me is WHY MILAN ?
There must be many more clubs who could offer Real what Milan offers.
Real does wants to get rid of him desperately. But if they put him on the transfer market i'm sure there will be at least 3 teams with an acceptable offer, or in case Real is prepared to leave him go for free, then there will be maybe even 5-6 teams ready to pay some 5 M Euro per year to Ronaldo.
If there aren't others apart from Milan after Ronaldo, then yes, Milan can get him without Kaka's name being mentioned.
But what if Roma, Milan, Al Itihad and San Jose Sharks all make the same offer for Ronaldo, and he ends in Milan ? Won't you find it suspicious, concidering Real didn't give up on Kaka ?

Originally Posted by Tony29.

These are all valid points you made here Zlat.
The only thing that confuses me is WHY MILAN ?
There must be many more clubs who could offer Real what Milan offers.
Real does wants to get rid of him desperately. But if they put him on the transfer market i'm sure there will be at least 3 teams with an acceptable offer, or in case Real is prepared to leave him go for free, then there will be maybe even 5-6 teams ready to pay some 5 M Euro per year to Ronaldo.
If there aren't others apart from Milan after Ronaldo, then yes, Milan can get him without Kaka's name being mentioned.
But what if Roma, Milan, Al Itihad and San Jose Sharks all make the same offer for Ronaldo, and he ends in Milan ? Won't you find it suspicious, concidering Real didn't give up on Kaka ?

the thing is that Ronaldo is considered more or less "finished" as a player by the big European clubs and not many would wanna deal with a high-salary demanding, over the top, injury-proned and out of shape player like him.
The only reason why Milan would wanna gamble on him is his talent and their Milan which the club believes will be able to restore his fitness, at least to a certain extent, of his glorious past.
Also, it's normal for a player to lack/lose desire to perform and push himself after 4-5 years at one club and especially when he's become the target of mockery of that club's fans. In such cases, changing the environment may do wonders for the drive and determination of that player and jumpstart his career.
Of course, in the end of the day, all the above is very relative and move like that is nothing short of a gamble or let's call it a measured risk. That's exactly why Milan is going for this loan-first deal, so that they could get a clearer idea of where Ronaldo is standing exactly and whether Milan lab would be able to help him get back on his feet ... this is exactly why Milan isn't going all guns blazing and going for a permamnent deal, it's a risky "operation" anyway you look at it.


EDIT:

As for why Milan, well, at this point in time Milan is Ronaldo's only chance for him to stay in top football as opposed to drop straight into oblivion by becoming yet another money-hungry tourist playing for a club in Saudi Arabia or the MLS ... such a move literary spells out "I AM OFFICIALLY FINISHED, HISTORY" with capital letters all the way.

An answer to the question "Why Milan" from Real's perspective:

It;s the above that gives Milan a certain "advantage" in this matter as Ronaldo's wish is also important in a possible deal. Also, Real are in no place to wage many demands here because again - they are the ones that want Ronie out as soon as possible and it's in their interest to give him to Milan for less money - or even for free - rather than sell him to Al Itihad because otherwise he may very well put the breaks on that deal and Real will miss the chance of getting the one thing they want - getting rid of him

Originally Posted by zlatanov

As for why Milan, well, at this point in time Milan is Ronaldo's only chance for him to stay in top football as opposed to drop straight into oblivion by becoming yet another money-hungry tourist playing for a club in Saudi Arabia or the MLS ... such a move literary spells out "I AM OFFICIALLY FINISHED, HISTORY" with capital letters all the way

I know, but this is the answer Ronaldo will give to a "Why Milan" question. It's not the answer Real will give.
If Real has two offers, one from MLS team and one from Milan, as much desperate they are to get rid of Ronnie, they'll still play on the Kaka card, imo, because they still have a second option and they still have 2 more weeks till the end of the transfer window.
And if Milan says NO, then Real can also say NO to Ronaldo in Milan and sell him in USA.
As much Ronaldo would hate to play outside Europe, he'll have 2 choices left, and i believe he'll chose MLS , which is still a better choice than the bench in Real Madrid ( actually, it's not even the bench)

Nevermind, lets wait and see what happens. Maybe i'm saying all these things because i was reading an interview with Predrag Mijatovic, few days ago, where he said Real is doing everything to get Kaka, and now i somehow conect every single rumour about Real and Milan with Kaka.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I know, but this is the answer Ronaldo will give to a "Why Milan" question. It's not the answer Real will give.
If Real has two offers, one from MLS team and one from Milan, as much desperate they are to get rid of Ronnie, they'll still play on the Kaka card, imo, because they still have a second option and they still have 2 more weeks till the end of the transfer window.
And if Milan says NO, then Real can also say NO to Ronaldo in Milan and sell him in USA.
As much Ronaldo would hate to play outside Europe, he'll have 2 choices left, and i believe he'll chose MLS , which is still a better choice than the bench in Real Madrid ( actually, it's not even the bench)

Nevermind, lets wait and see what happens. Maybe i'm saying all these things because i was reading an interview with Predrag Mijatovic, few days ago, where he said Real is doing everything to get Kaka, and now i somehow conect every single rumour about Real and Milan with Kaka.

I mentioned that in the second part of the "EDITED" section of my previous post

Originally Posted by zlatanov

It;s the above that gives Milan a certain "advantage" in this matter as Ronaldo's wish is also important in a possible deal. Also, Real are in no place to wage demand here because again - they are the ones that want Ronie out as soon as possible and it's in their interest to give him to Milan for less money - or even for free - rather than sell him to Al Itihad because otherwise he may very well put the breaks on that deal and Real will miss the chance of getting the one thing they want - getting rid of him

Lol, looks like you knew what i was going to say, so you edited your post.

But still, i think, i answered even the edited part. If the choice is USA or not playing at all in Real...he won't block the transfer !

Oh, and excuse me for not being able to answer your next reply.

I'm gonna watch Juve not being able to beat Cesena ( again we're missing 8 players )
Bettingwise, i need 3 or more goals on this match.
Wish me luck !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Lol, looks like you knew what i was going to say, so you edited your post.

But still, i think, i answered even the edited part. If the choice is USA or not playing at all in Real...he won't block the transfer !

that'e true but what does playing in the USA would mean for Ronaldo ... again that "I am FINISHED ... " part ... in capital letters
Basically, wherever he goes outside Europe - whether it's Saudi Arabia or USA - it's gonna be like going to retirement center for him ... it would mean the official end of great career, it would mean Ronaldo is officially a former, a used to be great player, he would be just a tourist from the perspective of the places where big football is being played - Europe and South America.
That's why, if he still wants to prove that he isn't finished, staying in Europe and staying with a BIG club in Europe is his only ticket out of the history books.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Oh, and excuse me for not being able to answer your next reply.

I'm gonna watch Juve not being able to beat Cesena ( again we're missing 8 players )
Bettingwise, i need 3 or more goals on this match.
Wish me luck !

you are excused.
OK, it's hard to say it but good luck

Originally Posted by zlatanov

you are excused.
OK, it's hard to say it but good luck

You don`t have to wish him luck so JUVE would win,you could also wish him luck that Cesena wins 3-0,and he will be right in his prediction

I don't understand why all the Ronaldo hatred...its not like he's actually past it...rather Capello generally hates the brazilian way of doing things....If he has the gall to keep one of the best young talents of today's game ont he bench (Robinho) Surely, he'll keep Ronaldo out!!
Ronaldo is stronger AND faster than anything we have right now, so I don't see him decreasing the strength of the squad. Also, the way Real seem eager to get rid of him, hopefully he won't be too expensive

SOON THE BEST PLAYER EVER WILL JOIN THE BEST CLUB EVER (EVIL LAUGH)
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Ronaldo Closer To AC Milan?

It seems that all the official denials are merely a smokescreen for Ronaldo to return to San Siro with red instead of blue accompanying the black stripes on his shirt.



zoom - galleria The player’s agent, Fabiano Farah, took a last-minute flight to Italy today with the aim of brining the Rossoneri and the Fenômeno closer together.

He’ll be meeting with Milan negotiator Ernesto Bronzzetti according to Spanish daily ‘As’ (Ace) in an attempt to close the signing of the number 9 that Capello wants out of Madrid.

Farah has had a rapid series of trips as he landed in Madrid from Rio de Janeiro yesterday morning and met with his client at the Valdebebas training facilities.

The player knows that he has the Al-Ittihad option in reserve but is also keen to join a club capable of allowing him to experience the joy of winning the trophy he yearns for but is eluding him: the Champions League.

After the meeting the agent went straight to the airport and direct to Milan in a clear sign that R9’s preferences lie I a return to Italy rather than an Arabian adventure.

The stumbling block is that both Adriano Galliani and Silvio Berlusconi are still unsure of whether to bet on the wayward Brazilian or steer clear after the Rivaldo debacle.

Galliani was clear in declarations made to Italian sports daily ‘La Gazzetta dello Sport’: "Ronaldo? There’s a 98% chance we won’t sign him but we’re still open to developments even though right now it’s not time to talk of Ronaldo."

From goal.com

Milan will once again crush all in its path!!!
Forza Milan!!

Originally Posted by kastriot

You don`t have to wish him luck so JUVE would win,you could also wish him luck that Cesena wins 3-0,and he will be right in his prediction

You're right ,
but Zlat is a great friend and he wished me luck anyway
And it worked. There were exactly 3 goals on this match so i won again.
But it was just another Pyrrhic victory. Juve won but lost the only 2 defenders left ( Kovac injured, Zebina red card).
Juve has not a single defender for the next match ( Chiellini, Boumsong, Tudor, Kovac,Legrotiagllie, Zebina are all out , plus Buffon is also injured) and if some of you are into betting, you can bet against Juve !

@ drucurl ,
I'm with you on this one, and from what i've read, some of the most valuable ( according to my judgement) MM members wouldn't mind Ronaldo, also !
Ronaldo's not finished, i'm sure about that !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

You're right ,
@ drucurl ,
I'm with you on this one, and from what i've read, some of the most valuable ( according to my judgement) MM members wouldn't mind Ronaldo, also !
Ronaldo's not finished, i'm sure about that !

You have no idea Tony29 how much I love Ronaldo .......I hated football growing up you see.....and its only after seeing Ronaldo play that I even began to watch the game. My dad bought me my first football soon after and it was an AC Milan ball!! I did tons of research on both Milan and Ronaldo and learned about the legends like Pele' and Maradonna etc etc..but as far as I am concerned nobody has done it the way Ronaldo has...esp coming back from an injury that he was supposedly not going to be able to walk again!!

Ronaldo is a true winner...I know the last season he hasn't been at his best....but he still scored as much as Crespo Sheva and Henry and broke the record!!

Look @ Baptista....he was utter rubbish for Real...and he seems to be improving daily under Wenger!!

I'm not expecting a footballing Messiah....but if he can chip in the goals when asked...then I'd be happy as a lark..

I was kinda hoping for BOTH Ronaldo AND Pato since we really need mroe youth in our team.... If he wasn't able to play at a superstar level, at least we could have used him as a Larsson-type player, where his experience in tight situations would prove invaluable

Sorry for gushing like a pre-pubesent girl!

...now they are saying something along the lines that Ronaldo might wait until the 29th to make a decision, something to do with reviewing the votes that made Calderon president...calciomercato.com

So, he is weighing his options eh...? Nothing wrong with that....IMO, we should move for him, but only if he is motivated enough to come...this delay (if there is any truth in it, which I honestly doubt) would make me do a total about face...I wouldnt want him in that case at all!!!