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ok, so the official formation of MIlan for next season should be

-------------------------Cech------------------------
--Sergio Ramos----Nesta--------Pepe-------Lahm-----
----------------Flamini-----------Fabregas------------
----------------C.Ronaldo---------Kaka---------------
--------------------------Messi-----------------------

Originally Posted by forward

ok, so the official formation of MIlan for next season should be

-------------------------Cech------------------------
--Sergio Ramos----Nesta--------Pepe-------Lahm-----
----------------Flamini-----------Fabregas------------
----------------C.Ronaldo---------Kaka---------------
--------------------------Messi-----------------------

It looks more like Man. City starting line-up

nope. based on those funny thing, it will be :

-----------Toni----Drogba----------

CR7----Aquilani----Essien----Gerrard

Vargas-Satacroce-De Silvestri-Zambo

--------------Buffon----------------

With a bench of Pato, Kaka, R80, Nesta, Pirlo, Pippo, Abbiati, Ambro, Antonini, Flamini and Abbiati.

Originally Posted by Milano84

REALLY?!! u think we had an amazing tranfer campaign? I dont care what anyne says under no circumstances should milan lose at home to a relegation side OPENING DAY, especially with our 'wonderful transfers' or are the so perfect. m point wasnt they were bad (Although i'dargue some were overrated) simply that they werent the players MILAN needed to be a better squad.

I agree we didn't have an amazing transfer campaign, just a good one (and better than I expected to be honest). But there's no way we could ever be certain to avoid losing "at home to a relegation side OPENING DAY", not even if we played with two keepers.

Originally Posted by Peachtot

nope. based on those funny thing, it will be :

-----------Toni----Drogba----------

CR7----Aquilani----Essien----Gerrard

Vargas-Satacroce-De Silvestri-Zambo

--------------Buffon----------------

You can't play Gerrard on the wing, have you learned nothing?!?

Originally Posted by forward

ok, so the official formation of MIlan for next season should be

-------------------------Cech------------------------
--Sergio Ramos----Nesta--------Pepe-------Lahm-----
----------------Flamini-----------Fabregas------------
----------------C.Ronaldo---------Kaka---------------
--------------------------Messi-----------------------

This the formation, we can play with one player down or you can add another player and than we will have a starting 11 not starting 10 haha

my bad guys, here is an actual starting 11, guess there is room for pirlo

-------------------------Cech------------------------
--Sergio Ramos----Nesta--------Pepe-------Lahm-----
----------------Flamini-----------Fabregas------------
--------------------------Pirlo------------------------
----------------C.Ronaldo---------Kaka---------------
--------------------------Messi----------------------

or in the home games

-------------------------Cech------------------------
--Sergio Ramos----Nesta--------Pepe-------Lahm-----
--------------Flamini--------------Fabregas-----------
--------------------------Pirlo------------------------
--------Robben-----------------------Van Der Vaart---
--------------------------Messi-----------------------

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Comparing who's in and who's out, the squad is a much better squad than last year.

Zambro for Cafu
Antonini for Serginho
Flamini for Brocchi
Sanderous for Simic
Borreillo for Gila
Sheva for R99
Dinho for Gourcuff

Seriously if u can't admit that those players are better than the ones that left, u are pretty funny.

Ofcourse, I would have wanted Drogba over Sheva, Gerrard over Seedorf, Essien to take over for Gattuso, Aqualiani to take over Emerson, Toni instead of Borreillo, Santacroce for Kaladze, De Silvestri for Bonera, Buffon for Dida, Vargas for Favalli, and C7 just coming over to join the fun.

But thats not gonna to happen.

We should really be thankful that at the least the team is changing for the better instead of listening to Galli saying Emerson is a WC player that will make a difference and since we will have Ronaldo playing for us in CL is like a new signing.

You guys can mock us all you want and sarcastically post as many ridiculous lineups as you want. It's very simple......nobody is asking for a FIFA 08 allstar lineup...but it would be nice to have some players who are CURRENTLY the best at what they do:

1)Zambro for Cafu

Problem:
ATM many rb's are better than Cafu because he's really old. HOWEVER when we got Cafu the level he played at was much higher than I'm expecting from Zambrotta for this season. He played well at Bologna mind you, but it will take a bit more convincing.
Alternative:
Alves: faster, fitter, set piece specialist, younger, stronger

2)Antonini for Serginho
See my above argument for Cafu and Zambrotta......only that this is even worse than the first one. Serginho's nickname was 'Il Concorde....because of his SPEED......why on earth have we replaced one of the fastest most skillful left backs since Roberto Carlos with this guy
Alternative:
ANY YOUNG, FAST, Skillful LB

3)Flamini for Brocchi

good replacement....no comments there.....only that Flamini doesn't replace Brocchi who was useless....he kicks out our two best CDM's......to me there is no justification to kick out Gattuso and Rino after only one poor season, where the team as a whole was poor anyway

Alternative: instead of stockpiling CDM's , how about a world class goal keeper???

4)Sanderous for Simic
good replacement....then again Simic hasn't been a starter for nearly four years...I have a hunch that Senderos is going to start a lot more than that.

Alternative: Zapata: proven, fast,solid and SerieA ready

5) Borreillo for Gila
Borriello is even more umproven than Gila. Gila = rubbish no doubt BUT HE had TWO high scoring seasons in Parma and one in Milan. Borri only crosses 12 goals per season once....last season

Alternative:
A REAL striker who has proven it at many levels (Eto'o, Berbatov, Ade, Drog)

6)Sheva for R99
A fit Ronaldo is better than anyone anywhere anytime....however $heva is useful to us now since he can actually play so I can't complain. Only that given R99's present poor condition almost any player who can walk/run is better than him atm. When Ronaldo recovers, and IF he resumes playing he may well cause us to regret accepting the traitor- who is atm RUBBISH

Alternative: Save the $heva money for a real striker and renew R99's contract

7)Dinho for Gourcuff
Gourcuff is still our player and was not a starter. This one makes the least sense of all because Dinho is expected to start. Even worse we have no place for three trequartistas so one of dinho, kaka or seedorf is going to be riding the pine

Alternative: Dinho money goes towards CB/ST/GK

AC Milan Legend Jose Altafini was quoted as saying on goal.com (I'll not be liable for goal's misinterpretation of people's statements though) "some presidents deceive their fans"

Originally Posted by drucurl

You guys can mock us all you want and sarcastically post as many ridiculous lineups as you want. It's very simple......nobody is asking for a FIFA 08 allstar lineup...but it would be nice to have some players who are CURRENTLY the best at what they do:

1)Zambro for Cafu

Problem:
ATM many rb's are better than Cafu because he's really old. HOWEVER when we got Cafu the level he played at was much higher than I'm expecting from Zambrotta for this season. He played well at Bologna mind you, but it will take a bit more convincing.
Alternative:
Alves: faster, fitter, set piece specialist, younger, stronger

2)Antonini for Serginho
See my above argument for Cafu and Zambrotta......only that this is even worse than the first one. Serginho's nickname was 'Il Concorde....because of his SPEED......why on earth have we replaced one of the fastest most skillful left backs since Roberto Carlos with this guy
Alternative:
ANY YOUNG, FAST, Skillful LB

3)Flamini for Brocchi

good replacement....no comments there.....only that Flamini doesn't replace Brocchi who was useless....he kicks out our two best CDM's......to me there is no justification to kick out Gattuso and Rino after only one poor season, where the team as a whole was poor anyway

Alternative: instead of stockpiling CDM's , how about a world class goal keeper???

4)Sanderous for Simic
good replacement....then again Simic hasn't been a starter for nearly four years...I have a hunch that Senderos is going to start a lot more than that.

Alternative: Zapata: proven, fast,solid and SerieA ready

5) Borreillo for Gila
Borriello is even more umproven than Gila. Gila = rubbish no doubt BUT HE had TWO high scoring seasons in Parma and one in Milan. Borri only crosses 12 goals per season once....last season

Alternative:
A REAL striker who has proven it at many levels (Eto'o, Berbatov, Ade, Drog)

6)Sheva for R99
A fit Ronaldo is better than anyone anywhere anytime....however $heva is useful to us now since he can actually play so I can't complain. Only that given R99's present poor condition almost any player who can walk/run is better than him atm. When Ronaldo recovers, and IF he resumes playing he may well cause us to regret accepting the traitor- who is atm RUBBISH

Alternative: Save the $heva money for a real striker and renew R99's contract

7)Dinho for Gourcuff
Gourcuff is still our player and was not a starter. This one makes the least sense of all because Dinho is expected to start. Even worse we have no place for three trequartistas so one of dinho, kaka or seedorf is going to be riding the pine

Alternative: Dinho money goes towards CB/ST/GK

Dani alves=30m
zapata=15m
anyone of berba,drogba eto ade=at least 30m
dinho=25m(you say we should have used that money too)
a world class gk intead of flamini..
and some others that u refer too

so you needed a transfer budget at least 100m!!!(a lot more i think if you count gk and the other players)
without even counting their salaries..

and you say that we try to mock you!!

Mate thats fantasy football..

ps renew r99 contract???
ps2 we took flamini because they wanted to kick out gattuso??
ps3 same thing with dinho and seedorf or kaka???

no dude you're wrong..

Originally Posted by Milano84

REALLY?!! u think we had an amazing tranfer campaign? I dont care what anyne says under no circumstances should milan lose at home to a relegation side OPENING DAY, especially with our 'wonderful transfers' or are the so perfect. m point wasnt they were bad (Although i'dargue some were overrated) simply that they werent the players MILAN needed to be a better squad.

i think we had a great transfer campaign under these circumstances(uefa cup,very bad last season,etc..)

and yes i think that we can lose to anyone especially on the opening day..thats football my friend

Originally Posted by Siregar

The problem with Sanderos is that he is still in big question, in other occasion Milan really need very prooven world class quality defender.

Milan spent alot but they also got a lot (in this situation I am not sure if Milan spent more money than they got). Why can't Milan make a decesive transfer for a WC defender? It would cost a lot for sure but we DO need such player for our shaky defence!

My hope still remains that Milan will score more goals than they will concede in a game but till now they conceded more than they scored.

totally agree with you..although this time we spent a lot more than we got(keep the salaries in mind too..)

good post although..

Originally Posted by drucurl

You guys can mock us all you want and sarcastically post as many ridiculous lineups as you want. It's very simple......nobody is asking for a FIFA 08 allstar lineup...but it would be nice to have some players who are CURRENTLY the best at what they do:

1)Zambro for Cafu

Problem:
ATM many rb's are better than Cafu because he's really old. HOWEVER when we got Cafu the level he played at was much higher than I'm expecting from Zambrotta for this season. He played well at Bologna mind you, but it will take a bit more convincing.
Alternative:
Alves: faster, fitter, set piece specialist, younger, stronger

Ever considered that your expectations might be wrong? Why don't we see how things play out before you call this an inferior signing.

Originally Posted by drucurl

2)Antonini for Serginho
See my above argument for Cafu and Zambrotta......only that this is even worse than the first one. Serginho's nickname was 'Il Concorde....because of his SPEED......why on earth have we replaced one of the fastest most skillful left backs since Roberto Carlos with this guy
Alternative:
ANY YOUNG, FAST, Skillful LB

I'll fast forward to one of your points below where you say Senderos is an upgrade over Simic - but that Simic hasn't been a starter for 4 years. Tell me, just how much did Serginho start in recent years?

Originally Posted by drucurl

3)Flamini for Brocchi

good replacement....no comments there.....only that Flamini doesn't replace Brocchi who was useless....he kicks out our two best CDM's......to me there is no justification to kick out Gattuso and Rino after only one poor season, where the team as a whole was poor anyway

Alternative: instead of stockpiling CDM's , how about a world class goal keeper???

This is the point that bothers me the most. So you're saying that we are hijacking a position away from Gattuso or Ambro (I think you meant to say Ambro instead of Rino) by signing Flamini. This is EXACTLY the type of thinking that saw our team get stale over the years. Players were acting as if they were entitled to our starting XI and were never pushed to play harder in fear of losing their starting job. It's called COMPETITION and most clubs have it going on in every position. We shouldn't give a starting job to someone based on past performances - they should be earned! And most important of all - look at our CDMs. We have a 32 year old Emerson, a 31 year old Ambro, a 30 year old Gattuso. We also HAD a 32 year old Brochi. We have no one else. Have we learned nothing about letting our team get old? Look at our backline! We needed an infusion of youth so that we can keep going instead of riding Gattuso and Ambro to death at the team's expense.

Originally Posted by drucurl

4)Sanderous for Simic
good replacement....then again Simic hasn't been a starter for nearly four years...I have a hunch that Senderos is going to start a lot more than that.

Alternative: Zapata: proven, fast,solid and SerieA ready

No argument about Zapata. We apparently had no money left and could only sign a player via a loan with an option to buy next year. We should consider ourselves lucky that we were able to fill that criteria by getting a 23 year old player who has top flight club experience, CL experience, and International experience.

Originally Posted by drucurl

5) Borreillo for Gila
Borriello is even more umproven than Gila. Gila = rubbish no doubt BUT HE had TWO high scoring seasons in Parma and one in Milan. Borri only crosses 12 goals per season once....last season

Alternative:
A REAL striker who has proven it at many levels (Eto'o, Berbatov, Ade, Drog)

Similar to my reply on point #1, why don't we just sit back and see how Borriello actually performs before signing him off already. The man just scored 19 goals last season! He may end up being a bust, but his recent form (last season) suggests that at least there's hope for even more improvement.

Originally Posted by drucurl

6)Sheva for R99
A fit Ronaldo is better than anyone anywhere anytime....however $heva is useful to us now since he can actually play so I can't complain. Only that given R99's present poor condition almost any player who can walk/run is better than him atm. When Ronaldo recovers, and IF he resumes playing he may well cause us to regret accepting the traitor- who is atm RUBBISH

Alternative: Save the $heva money for a real striker and renew R99's contract

This may sound harsh, but I won't even dignify this with a response.

Originally Posted by drucurl

7)Dinho for Gourcuff
Gourcuff is still our player and was not a starter. This one makes the least sense of all because Dinho is expected to start. Even worse we have no place for three trequartistas so one of dinho, kaka or seedorf is going to be riding the pine

Alternative: Dinho money goes towards CB/ST/GK

Dinho gives us something this team did NOT have last season - OPTIONS! Kaka and Seedorf were severely overplayed last year and it resulted in Kaka constantly battling injuries and being forced to play because he was so important to us. Dinho give us options and allows Kaka to rest more if he needs it. I personally am a fan of anything that can help Kaka prolong his career. And if someone gets injured, we don't have all of our eggs in one basket the way we did last year. Plus, I bring up the point about competition. If Seedorf can't play as well as Dinho and Kaka, he shouldn't be starting. That's football.

I TOTALLY hear you that we still have shortcomings on our team - primarily in GK. But we couldn't fix everything in one season. That's unrealistic. I think we have enough to contend for the Scudetto. And next year, we'll be back in the CL and will have more money as a result to fill in those holes. I'm sorry for the long rebuttal, but your criticized EVERY signing Milan made this season - and that is just something I have to argue against....

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

Dani alves=30m
zapata=15m
anyone of berba,drogba eto ade=at least 30m
dinho=25m(you say we should have used that money too)
a world class gk intead of flamini..
and some others that u refer too

so you needed a transfer budget at least 100m!!!(a lot more i think if you count gk and the other players)
without even counting their salaries..

and you say that we try to mock you!!

Mate thats fantasy football..

ps renew r99 contract???
ps2 we took flamini because they wanted to kick out gattuso??
ps3 same thing with dinho and seedorf or kaka???

no dude you're wrong..

actuall eto'o or adebayor were available for rate of dinho. Dinho better bette player.... but ur telling me eto'o pato, kaka isnt a better fit tactically for our troubles last 2 seasons.

you keep forgettign we made 30 mil in sales and coownership (possibly more) if we bought new goalkeeper, abbiati or dida (prolly former cause of value) would have been out..... wages? Dinho has highest wage.. if we brought a wc striker instead his wage wouldnt top that....? I'm just saying instead of giving milan more Redondos Rivaldos Ronaldos (tear) and ronaldinhos give us some players who actually fit needs and r on rise..... what was our best signing of last 8 years? KAKA.... he didnt have the name like rivaldo, cafu, ronaldo, even rui costa who as brilliant as he was... played 2-3 years as a starter for 30 mil thats a waiste.

before i hear ur 'youth doesnt win argument' whats 6-7 youthful signings going ot give us? We still would have nesta, maldini, gattuso, ambrosini, pirlo, pippo, kaka, seedorf, janku, oddo as players in squad. its not like im looking to overhaul the starting 11 for 11 guys under age of 21. But its clear we lacked energy and desire in our play last year... seedorf could care less about any match not againt a CL quality opponent. Same with pippo and others.....

what if intead of sheva and dinho and borriello, we sold borriello to roma. and bought eto'o + younger promising forward + energetic pacy winger....
instead of zambro and antonini, rafinha and vargas came in. Instead of abbiati we got frey (or boruc).

i'm sorry im just bitter we let brocchi go....