Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Giovanni

We signed Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambro and Seedorf for no more than 10 M alltogether.

As far as I know, we signed Pirlo for about 10 mil pounds and Seedorf for about 13 mil pounds plus Coco.

Originally Posted by Giovanni

Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...

The same could be said for Italy. The last WC centre back Italy produced was 31 years old Sandro Nesta (almost 32 yo) and people still think Italians produce the best Cb's.

Barzagli is a player i watched a lot and he's a player i wouldn't spend more than 1 mil EUR. He played 2 good matches for the Azzuri and he was awful for Palermo in last year and a half, especially in the matches against the big trio teams when he was badly owned by Cruz, Iaquinta and Gilardino.
Bonera....i think you're overrating him a lot. He'll be 27 in few months and he's 4th choice Cb in Milan, behind Kaladze (very good defender but not WC) and almost 40 yo Maldini. If he was that good i'm sure Ancelotti wouldn't have kept him on the bench match after match. He would have surely gotten more chances than Kaladze.
Perhaps the only one who can become WC one day is Chiellini but even he is light years away from the quality Nesta posses and he's more of a Materazzi-like Cb.


As for Ivanovic, i didn't see much of him and i believe the same could be said about you. But when an Eastern European defender who plays in Russian league is getting all this interest and when all the best teams in the world are trying to get him then there must be something about him.
If he was Brazilian, Argie, Italian, Dutch, French or English i'd agree that he may be a hype but you don't see often a Serbian RB being hyped and having all the best teams after him.

Although, you're spot on when you say that ex-Yu countries don't produce WC centre backs.

I have a feeling we are all going to be sorely disappointed by the Winter Mercato...

After months and months of talking about which players Milan should buy, I have a great big feeling that it's going to turn out like this Summer's Mercato...

Originally Posted by zafrul

I have a feeling we are all going to be sorely disappointed by the Winter Mercato...

After months and months of talking about which players Milan should buy, I have a great big feeling that it's going to turn out like this Summer's Mercato...

well i agree with you. the winter mercato will be the same as our tranfer policy the last 2 years...

i am already disappointed in milan about our summer mercato, and i think the winter will be the same (always old players)

luckyly we have signed pato

Originally Posted by Tony29.

The same could be said for Italy. The last WC centre back Italy produced was 31 years old Sandro Nesta (almost 32 yo) and people still think Italians produce the best Cb's.

Barzagli is a player i watched a lot and he's a player i wouldn't spend more than 1 mil EUR. He played 2 good matches for the Azzuri and he was awful for Palermo in last year and a half, especially in the matches against the big trio teams when he was badly owned by Cruz, Iaquinta and Gilardino.
Bonera....i think you're overrating him a lot. He'll be 27 in few months and he's 4th choice Cb in Milan, behind Kaladze (very good defender but not WC) and almost 40 yo Maldini. If he was that good i'm sure Ancelotti wouldn't have kept him on the bench match after match. He would have surely gotten more chances than Kaladze.
Perhaps the only one who can become WC one day is Chiellini but even he is light years away from the quality Nesta posses and he's more of a Materazzi-like Cb.

Not being Michelangelo or Leonardo doesn't mean you can't be Picasso or Vermeer.

1. BARZAGLI: Barzagli was Lippi's first choice among the new generation of Italian players. He may be not Nesta, but i'd pick him over any other young defender in the world. The fact he wasn't brilliant with Palermo tells a lot about Palermo weaknesses, not Barzagli's. Every top class defender, put into a rubbish team, would fail to impress.
The prove is that Barzagli did always well when he played for Italy (and he played more than a couple of games, maybe you didn't watch them).

2.BONERA: i think he's an excellent defender, and we all know defenders get at their best between 28 and 32 years old. Maybe even later (Cannavaro was 33 at bthe last WC). Being fourth choice at Milan, considering this team has produced many of the best defender in football history, is to be considered a great honour. I watched all his games, and he is getting more secure and solid every game. I'm sure he's a great defender, and much more worthy than many useless hyped players around.

3. CHIELLINI: agree. Another brilliant prospect.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

If he was Brazilian, Argie, Italian, Dutch, French or English i'd agree that he may be a hype but you don't see often a Serbian RB being hyped and having all the best teams after him.

Nemanja Vidic is the last serbian (?) hyped genius...We still owe him 2 goals in the Milan v United semifinal

Originally Posted by Siregar

As far as I know, we signed Pirlo for about 10 mil pounds and Seedorf for about 13 mil pounds plus Coco.

We signed Pirlo and Seedorf for Brncic and Guglielminpietro + a few bus tickets and a couple of McDonalds meals.



One of the best and most devilish plots ever conceived by the baldie

Missed out on Banega, he signed for Valencia

Originally Posted by Giovanni

1. BARZAGLI: Barzagli was Lippi's first choice among the new generation of Italian players. He may be not Nesta, but i'd pick him over any other young defender in the world. The fact he wasn't brilliant with Palermo tells a lot about Palermo weaknesses, not Barzagli's. Every top class defender, put into a rubbish team, would fail to impress.
The prove is that Barzagli did always well when he played for Italy (and he played more than a couple of games, maybe you didn't watch them).

The fact that he was Lippi's first choice among the younger defenders doesn't say much about his quality as much as it says about the quality of Italian Cb's outside the big trio (Nesta, Matrix, Cannavaro).
Barzagli did have a solid season with Palermo and he deserved the call, but who was (and who is now) his rival for that spot ?
Bonera and Panucci played RB before the WC 2006, Chiellini was way too young and inexperienced. The ones left are : Gamberini, Legrottaglie, Ferrari, Belleri, Galante, Terlizzi, Domizzi, Sala, Natali.
Is it a huge achievement to be better than these guys ?

As for him not being brilliant for Palermo (he's been awful actually) it's little harsh to blame it on the others. Palermo has the worst defense in serie A after Cagliari and their keeper is among the best ones this season. So it's not Fontana that is bad but it's the defense. Their defense sucks and the one to blame must be Barzagli because he should be the leader. It's not true that even WC defenders will do bad in Palermo's defense. Didn't Materazzi lead Peruggia's defense and wasn't he head and shoulders above everyone else in Peruggia ? Isn't Chiellini playing perfectly even though he has Zebina, Legrottaglie and Molinaro next to him ?
Especially if he's surounded with bad defenders he should prove his worth because then it's much easier for a quality player to look better.

Barzagli lacks leadership qualities, he lacks character, his positioning is very bad.
Really, i may be wrong, but i watched him many times and he was almost always a catatrophe.

Originally Posted by Giovanni

2.BONERA: i think he's an excellent defender, and we all know defenders get at their best between 28 and 32 years old. Maybe even later (Cannavaro was 33 at bthe last WC). Being fourth choice at Milan, considering this team has produced many of the best defender in football history, is to be considered a great honour. I watched all his games, and he is getting more secure and solid every game. I'm sure he's a great defender, and much more worthy than many useless hyped players around.

I don't doubt Bonera's qualities. I think he's a very good defender. But he's a long way to go to become a world class.
Being 4th choice defender for Milan should be a honour but if you're 4th choice in Milan for two years in a row and when your rivals aren't Baresi-25 yo Maldini but your rivals are 39 years old Maldini and Kakha Kaladze then it means that you're not developing as expected.
Bonera is 26 ( or 27 ?), still not in an age where Cb's play their best football, but it's still an age where a potential world class Cb should be playing regularly, even in a team like Milan.
There must be a reason why Ancelotti didn't promote him to be at least the 3rd choice Cb in Milan.

But i do rate him, at least i rate him much more than Barzagli, and i think that there are still chances for Bonera to make it to the azzuri and play regularly there

Originally Posted by Giovanni

Nemanja Vidic is the last serbian (?) hyped genius...We still owe him 2 goals in the Milan v United semifinal

I'm not a big fan of Vidic.
I do agree that he's hyped a lot but you must remember that his hype started after he joined the most hyped league and the most hyped team in the world. Outside the Balkans not many people knew about him until he was transfered to ManU and not many teams were after him.
With Ivanovic it's different. He led his u21 team twice to the EC u21 final, he was being chosen for team of the tournament and all who watched him agree that the kid plays superb football for Serbian NT and for his Russian team.
I have no idea how good he really is, but comming from EE shouldn't be a reason why he won't become WC. If all these teams are after an EE player, defender, who plays in Russian league, then i'm sure there must be something about him.

As for Vidic vs Milan..... i never thought of Vidic as a world class but he is good and one match where he played injured (he missed the 1st leg and many EPL matches before the second leg in Milano and he was forced to play the 2nd leg because Ferguson had no defenders at all) shouldn't be a reason to say that he's no good.

at least, we must get zambrotta this month . . . a striker ( dream come true )
I hope Ronaldo can play 10-15 matches after this winter break

Originally Posted by Giovanni

Ivanovic seems to me another Vidic like player... As well as Vidic, this guy is sooo much hyped by the media. I would find tons of Serie A players who can form a decent centre back..just look at Bonera: costed a few millions and he will be Italian international after the era of Cannavaro and Nesta,m pairing with Barzagli..
Barzagli is a player i would spend even 10 M.
Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...

I think Vidic is a good player, incredibly strong and quick. I've not seen anything of Ivanovic so i don't know about him

Originally Posted by slicknick

Missed out on Banega, he signed for Valencia

Sigh... this boy is special, pretty sad to miss out on him...

Some may say he has some bad games, but hell, he's 19... and he basically ran the Boca team in a World Club Cup against European champions Milan!

If that ain't special, I don't know what is...

i like daniel agger. he is also young and seen as a world class defender.

barzagli i agree with giovanni. he will be 1 of best DC in world IMO. he can learn alot.

kompany is also a world class defender in progress... you should watch that guy. (nowadays in HSV they put him at DMC position)

Originally Posted by zafrul

Sigh... this boy is special, pretty sad to miss out on him...

Some may say he has some bad games, but hell, he's 19... and he basically ran the Boca team in a World Club Cup against European champions Milan!

If that ain't special, I don't know what is...

he is special idd
but probably because he ain't brazilian. berlu don't want to buy him :s

for mr Galliani to read !!


http://soccerlens.com/top-50-most-ex...ers-2007/4258/

Originally Posted by thomas_h

for mr Galliani to read !!


http://soccerlens.com/top-50-most-ex...ers-2007/4258/

idd a nice list, but I know more players he can get. but they are probably to young for him. he want +28YO.