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Old 03-01-2008, 15:23   #11071

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Kaladze is a class above those two. extremely underated due to nationality.
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Old 03-01-2008, 15:31   #11072

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Kaladze is a class above those two. extremely underated due to nationality.
I still fail to understand a decent explanation behind your statements... Why is he a class above? Was he a class above them at the same age? No, i don't think so.
A class above, which is very often mistake prone though... (and it comes from an admirer of him )..a class above means you rarely make a mistake, while the good old Kala on his day is unbeatable, but sometimes is brain turn off the light and makes absolutely crazy backpasses or orizontal passes (which many times are intercepted by strikers) ...in the defender basics this doesn't come as a class above.

Kaladze (i remark i like him) can only dream of Bonera's positioning. Bonera is quicker than Kala, though Kala is a better header.

Kaladze is a built up defender. He doesn't have it in his dna. Despite that i consider him a world class defender. But he surely isn't a class above Bonera or Barzagli, which are 3 years younger.
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Old 03-01-2008, 15:57   #11073

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I rate Kaladze more than Bonera. In my opinion, Khaladze is much faster than Bonera. Bonera lacks of acceleration when he runs, something that Khaladze does/has better. Khaladze has done some great saves/tackles after ran 1v1 with the opponent.

I like Bonera and last year I thought he was already developing into a world class defender after some plays in the centre of defence. But then I saw that he is not yet a world class DC after watching the second milan derby last season. He was too slow and beaten too easily by Ibrahimovic. I now how danger Ibra is but his performance in that match was far enough from a great defender should do.

Bonera is a great back up for Nesta and Khaladze especially after Maldini retired. He would still one of best defender in his age.

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Old 03-01-2008, 16:11   #11074

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Kaladze has come a long way, but i don't think he's a good cb. He's too indecisive at times and is just prone to complete lapses of concentration.

He's a decent player, but nothing more.
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Old 03-01-2008, 16:24   #11075

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At the age of 21 Kaladze was lighting up the CL for an excellent Kyiv team,whilst Bonera & Barzagli have yet to perform at that level in any shape or form. Good players, but not as good as Kaladze.
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Old 03-01-2008, 16:56   #11076

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Interesting debate on defenders here. For me Kaladze could be world class and a couple of years ago was playing at a world class standard in CB when him and Nesta formed a wall. Kaladze's biggest problem this year and last has been consistency, where he's been regularly getting injured and when he does return doesn't have the time to fit back into the side. However, I'm confident with consistency he will continue to improve and reach the standards we desire, and though he's played at Milan in a number of roles, let's not forget he started out his career in the CB role he's playing now.

Bonera's still very young for a defender, and though I potentially see a world class defender in him, he's got a long way to go. Physically and tactically he's a very good player at CB, but I think his problem is dealing with pressure, especially in big games. Last season in almost every game we saw him he was excellent, confident and strong and really showed that he could well be a top class player, but when he faced Inter I was quite shocked at his performance, which really was below the standard of what we'd seen prior to that match. I think if we take care of him then we have a gem, though so far this season he's only really played RB, which I don't think will help.

Barzagli I think is a little overhyped, and personally I think Bonera (who I think is more talented) did better last season. However, I'm confident he will become a world class defender in the next 3-5 years, as he's very solid, confident and consistent. However, to reach the heights expected of him, he has to leave Palermo now.

If I'm honest, I don't think any of the aforementioned are world class, but I do genuinely believe all three could become world class. Kaladze for me is on the cusp of reaching the standard, but needs to perform with consistency. Barzagli will reach the standard eventually, but isn't at that level yet. Bonera is the hardest to predict for me, as I think he could possibly become the best of the three, yet at the same time he's looking least likely to tap his potential.

Unfortunately for these guys, as players like Nesta, Cannavaro and Maldini have preceded them, expectations of them are impossibly high, as those guys are modern day legends who have been playing at the highest level since their very early 20's.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:46   #11077

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At the age of 21 Kaladze was lighting up the CL for an excellent Kyiv team,whilst Bonera & Barzagli have yet to perform at that level in any shape or form. Good players, but not as good as Kaladze.
He was playing as midfielder in Dinamo Kyiv.
He has played in many roles at Milan: firstly midfielder, then as left back for many seasons at Milan and has become a CB in 2006.
Not a natural born defender.

Barzagli has played a WC second round and quarter finals, replacing Materazzi (red card v Australia) and being absolutely good! He was praised by all Italian papers.

I think now Kaladze is a better defender, considering he's 3 years older. What makes him a better defender is that toughness and bullish presence that keeps the strikers under control. But overall Bonera and Barzagli's positioning, knowledge of the defence and command is better.
In time to come no doubt Barzagli and Bonera will overtake the good old Kaladze, which is nonetheless an excellent defender.

PS. when i talk about Bonera i consider him performances as centre back (and not his full back role).
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:49   #11078

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Ancelotti: We Will Sign No One In January

AC Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti says that he doesn’t expect the club to make any signings during the January transfer window.
The Rossoneri may have won both the European Super Cup and the World Club Cup already this season, however they have been struggling terribly domestically and are currently languishing in 12th position in Serie A, 25 points behind league-leading city rivals Inter.



This has led to calls that Milan simply have to make some acquisitions in January if they want to retain some hope of not only retaining their Champions League crown, but also finishing in the top four in order to guarantee qualification for next season’s edition of Europe’s premier club competition.



Teenage wonderkid Alexandre Pato will be eligible to play when Serie A resumes after the winter break, and Ancelotti insists that he will be the only new member of the team.



“I have never asked the club to sign new strikers, even if Ronaldo’s recovery isn’t quick,” Carletto insisted.

“The addition of Pato will give us different options and I’m convinced that we will remain unchanged at the end of the month.”



Milan will be hoping to break their San Siro taboo in the league when they host Napoli on January 13.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:16   #11079

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I can’t believe!!

I am reading Goal.com, and I’m crying.
In “Milan Will Bounce Back – Ancelotti” AC Milan coach wonder if we can beat Arsenal in CL and express his satisfaction with fourth place in national league.
I can’t believe!
Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Galliani, can you tolerate mediocre leader of the team?! Can you keep coach who doesn’t work for titles, but for fourth place?! With this attitude how can you expect to lure players to sign for the team he coach?! Will, next summer transfer window, AC Milan sign elite players or they will sign for another team that have booked place in CL?! Remember Calciopoli and Ibrahimovic?!
I appreciate Ancelotti’s work, but this is enough.
Please, replace him, as soon as possible.

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Old 04-01-2008, 05:29   #11080

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If this is true then ...

Goal.com and article "Ronaldo Blames Milan For Injuries"

If this is true then I hope he will never play for AC Milan!
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:35   #11081

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I am reading Goal.com, and I’m crying.
In “Milan Will Bounce Back – Ancelotti” AC Milan coach wonder if we can beat Arsenal in CL and express his satisfaction with fourth place in national league.
I can’t believe!
Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Galliani, can you tolerate mediocre leader of the team?! Can you keep coach who doesn’t work for titles, but for fourth place?! With this attitude how can you expect to lure players to sign for the team he coach?! Will, next summer transfer window, AC Milan sign elite players or they will sign for another team that have booked place in CL?! Remember Calciopoli and Ibrahimovic?!
I appreciate Ancelotti’s work, but this is enough.
Please, replace him, as soon as possible.
Did you think that the target of Ancelotti comes as a result of the transfer policy of the board?
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:42   #11082

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For the moderators!! if politics will not stop now (about Macedonia), i will start speaking about it in Greek....
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:00   #11083

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i just can't understand the manegment opion about signing nobody... all possible star players will be sold again before us...
can't berlu , galliani & braida see that we need to strongen up our team!
will we be playing for 4th place again???????(that's sad)

lets hope for the summer mercato!
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http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=535017
Milan Line Up Flamengo Goalkeeper Bruno

just saw vids of him...seems very good and he's big too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nua3QClaUYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFVJ4...eature=related

has anyone seen him play other than in d vids? if there r, is he really really good?
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Old 04-01-2008, 09:36   #11085

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i just can't understand the manegment opion about signing nobody... all possible star players will be sold again before us...
can't berlu , galliani & braida see that we need to strongen up our team!
will we be playing for 4th place again???????(that's sad)

lets hope for the summer mercato!
let's imagine you would like to buy and i'd like to sell something. would you tell me that you are in desperate need for this thing? i don't think so...i would higher the price immediately

that's how market goes. deny deny deny (and what a beautiful liar galliani is... ) . he doesn't understand a damn about football, but about management he can teach a thing or two...

i think the difference between now and the past is that now he doesn't get full financial support from the presidency, and he must use the moneys very wisely ...sometimes things go wrong (oliveira) but mostly things go well

we have the best young player around...Pato ( every top club wanted him) is not enough for the january market? i don't think the january market brings great signings..we have to wait for the summer to sign top players..
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