Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Giovanni

I don't think we need to rebuild the team...we just need a few inserts on the flanks and a target man who can score against closed lower serie a teams.

Originally Posted by Giovanni

I disagree we need to refresh our team....


Milan has won everything, United won it's last international throphy down in December 1999 (correct me if i'm wrong). I admire their way of managing a club, but our recipe has just proven to be more successful. They are a richer club, and still we are stronger than them (according to throphies won and the last seasons games, which are facts, and not lame opinions ).

I don't compare the two clubs, as i have said Milan has a heavier shirt

I think we must insert a few additions, the first of them a top class keeper. Dida alone makes this side look so average...We need a couple of young wingers (Catania's Manuel Vargas ? )and a midfielder like Cigarini.
One striker upfront, and just wait for Pato (today i saw a video of Milan Channle, this guy has amazing first touch, ball control and scores goals for fun).

I agree, i admire Dida (who was one of the protagonists in CL in Old Trafford)
but we surely need a new "hungry" goalkeeper...

I don't share your overdramatic way of thinking, although i understand you. We don't need to be carried away with all this market crap. People loves market just for the sake of it. There are so many market neurotics around...it seems the only point to play football is to sign and buy players. Which is pointless IMO.

Overdramatic? I don't think so ... look at the table of Serie A ... we are 28 points away from Inter, leave them out, Roma invest although that it has financial problems throughout time, Juve.. i like their policy... do you know what they did? a friend me of Juve told me about ... They kept the experienced players, they give opportunities to youngsters, they sold all the rubbish and they invest this ,oney in good players like Andrande although he was injured...


Manchester Untd is not Milan, they have more money....
But how we had the team of 2005? which lost the final against Liverpool.
This was the best team of last 5-7 years... You had Nesta and Paolo old but still mattured... Dida at WC condition most of the time... Cafu? he had taken a trasfer to us and he gave his last good perfomances.. do you remember him running from the right? Stam ? not a LB but part of a solid defence, our creative midfields, in front ? most of all... Sheva, Pippo, Crespo, Tommasson.

Having Rui Costa, Tomasson, sergihno coming from the bech giving quality...


That's the team i want to see, the mercato is my favorite even in games but... i don't ask for trasfers when i have teams like the one of 2005...

Long story short: we have to improve the team, get rid of Dida (which makes this side look much more average) and put a few key new players into the team. The team must be reiforced, but not revolutionised. To get better in Serie A we need a target man for those games aginst lower table clubs, a la Bierhoff.
But i don't think this team is rubbish or that we need a revolution. And when a team underperforms the neighbour garden is always greener.

Originally Posted by Giorgos

Overdramatic? I don't think so ... look at the table of Serie A ... we are 28 points away from Inter, leave them out, Roma invest although that it has financial problems throughout time, Juve.. i like their policy... do you know what they did? a friend me of Juve told me about ... They kept the experienced players, they give opportunities to youngsters, they sold all the rubbish and they invest this ,oney in good players like Andrande although he was injured...


Manchester Untd is not Milan, they have more money....
But how we had the team of 2005? which lost the final against Liverpool.
This was the best team of last 5-7 years... You had Nesta and Paolo old but still mattured... Dida at WC condition most of the time... Cafu? he had taken a trasfer to us and he gave his last good perfomances.. do you remember him running from the right? Stam ? not a LB but part of a solid defence, our creative midfields, in front ? most of all... Sheva, Pippo, Crespo, Tommasson.

Having Rui Costa, Tomasson, sergihno coming from the bech giving quality...


That's the team i want to see, the mercato is my favorite even in games but... i don't ask for trasfers when i have teams like the one of 2005...

You are right mate! Thats the team i would also wonna see!

Originally Posted by Tony29

Some of them would like to keep lazy but creative Seedorf

I'm glad someone else notices how lazy he is. Taking Gio's garden analogy, yes the grass always seems greener on the other side, but it doesn't do any harm to weed your own garden now and again. Take out some of the big plants that are slow & take too much room and bring in some young vibrant aggressive ones eager to grow

Our team needs hunger, players desperate to win. A fresh energy and attitude. There are far too many players who just swan around because they know they can get away without putting the effort in.

Originally Posted by Gio

I admire their [Man Utd] way of managing a club, but our recipe has just proven to be more successful.

Are we more successful Gio? In Europe there is no question that our recent history in the CL is the best of any club, that's a fact. However, you can't just measure our success in Europe and ignore our poor domestic form. When was the last time we were realistic challengers for the league? 2004-2005? Man Utd fans would argue that their domestic succes and constant battling for the league makes them more successful, which from a certain point of view has a valid point.

I think, our problem (since last season) lay mostly on the need of a reliable and decent striker (I only want to concentrate in this department). This has been prooved last season after the arriving of Ronaldo. Our Serie A campaign since then was great. Our management has then also done something to make our forward department better by buying Pato.

The management were sure that with Ronaldo, Gila, Inzaghi and Pato (later) Milan could compete in all competitions. But unfortunately Ronaldo couldnt play a single a game until now. With only Gila and Inzaghi available, Milan could only use one-striker formation because Gila and Inzaghi, as we know, haven't shown good partnership when they played together. This made our campaign in Serie A especially at home so bad, I think. Against ultra-defensive small team especially at home, Milan need to play two strikers to create more spaces upront and chances to score. I won't blame Ancelotti for not using a two-striker formation as he had no choice. But soon we'll have Pato and hopefully Ronaldo.

Many fans here may think our board were so stupid. Why they only bought a young unproven striker (Pato). But we as fans must also think objectively. In last summer we already have Ronaldo, Gila and Inzaghi and Milan choosed to buy Pato than any other striker which were available.

I remember last summer many fans here talking about striker that Milan should buy and they compared an experienced Shevchenko with a 17-yo Pato. Many of them including me choosed Pato instead of Sheva for many reasons and we should keep being patience for what we've choosed. Choosing Pato means there would no immediate impact because he couldn't play until January. There is also no guarantee that Pato will score thousand of goals immediately when he already can play in Serie A. But one thing is sure : Pato gives us hope to watch a better Milan.

Come on, guys. Milan is not yet perfect but not also that bad!

no doubt - Mialn is more succesfull than Man Utd. period.


But Im now really afraid we will really stay only on Pato for january and it could cost us 4th place in the end...

Van Der Vaart will go to Juve, and aldough I dont think he is as good as Nedved, Camoranesi, Seedorf and so on...he could be of some real use for us now in january as he is a young and fast, wide player that we lack...

Zvone Boban has suggested Ćorluka to Berlusconi before he went to city, now everyone that knows football sees how world class this 21 year old is. The man is simply killing all the attacks that come his way.

After that, Naletilić, one of the best managers for italian football, and few italian managers also suggested Modric as a part of pirlo-rino-modric-kaka' midfield... and , believe me, Milan can get any Dinamo zagreb player if they want ( such strong the relations are with croatian clubs and Milan ).

If Luka Modrić was French or Italian he would be a superstar. In my oppinion, the way he play now is superb. Better than Nasri, Giovinco and so on...

Also ,its time for italian people to realise that Gila is now a player of 3rd world ( to use that expression ). He simply can play for Livorno or Siena now. he is not in bad period, he is HORRIBLE. Yes, horrible. We lack attacking players in our team, one fast and great attacking midfielder and a player like Toni/ Drogba.

Toni had a contract with Milan and apparently Milan/ Galliani decided to close the doors to him. Toni is pissed off now and is saying that Inter will be CL winners and Ibra is better than Kaka' and he doesnt even wanna talk about what Milan did to him... "Very nice" move Galliani....

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Are we more successful Gio? In Europe there is no question that our recent history in the CL is the best of any club, that's a fact. However, you can't just measure our success in Europe and ignore our poor domestic form. When was the last time we were realistic challengers for the league? 2004-2005? Man Utd fans would argue that their domestic succes and constant battling for the league makes them more successful, which from a certain point of view has a valid point.

A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..."

But Im now really afraid we will really stay only on Pato for january and it could cost us 4th place in the end...

I am also afraid of... that's why i proposed Sheva because we can take him now easier than Benzema, Drogba... i wish Ronaldo to come back like last year and score but when he is ready to play he starts suffering from something .

Originally Posted by Giovanni

A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..."

I don't doubt that the CL trofy shines more when i get into challenge with my best friend who is Liverpool i say "7", the same when another one friend of me who is Juventus talking to me about their leagues but this is different from staying 28 points away from the 1st place and the fan of Inter would say come on to play i will win i am the best and most of all the liking of winning because there are many Italian championship games....... .


Galliani i am mad with you, Mr President i thought that you have big balls what's up?.....

Not a big refreshment if in the summer we would sign Toni, Riberi, now for a LB and then (summer) for a GK and another one FW but we signed only Pato. We all want to play good but if all the weight of Milan go on him?...

Valon Behrami from Lazio. He was previously seen as untouchable but now can be bought for only 12 million this month. He is a perfect backup/replacement for Oddo, who is a shell of the player he was last year. Unfortunately the kid is cup tied.

Originally Posted by mrki

Van Der Vaart will go to Juve, and aldough I dont think he is as good as Nedved, Camoranesi, Seedorf and so on...he could be of some real use for us now in january as he is a young and fast, wide player that we lack...

That's only "Bild" speculating again. This transfer is still only a speculation.
As for his qualities, i wouldn't dare comparing him to Nedved or Camo but VdV is only 24 and when they were 24 Nedved played in Czech league while Camoranesi played for relegation candidates Verona.
Van der Vaart was wrongly used on the left flank and as a typical AMC he couldn't play his best there, like he did in Ajax.
This year it looks like he's again at his best in his original position and he is Bundesliga topscorer with 10 goals in 14 matches ( only 2 from penalty kick).
And he has big international experience. He played CL with Ajax and Hamburg and even though 24 yo, he's been capped 50 times for the Netherlands and scored 12 goals for his NT. In EURO Competitions (CL and UEFA) he played 38 matches and scored 18 goals.
Pretty good stats for a midfielder.

If he's not as injury prone as Mehdi says, then whoever gets him will get a gem, imo.
As for the team that will get him....it could be any team because he's not a Juve player yet !

the problem is ... we never have changed system or players...
1 year we played good, that was when we loanded crespo! he had an amazing impact on our team.
you can see that all teams know how milan plays and which player they need to look out for. it has been the same team for 5 years with little changes.

if we change the team a lil bith, the style a lil bith. other teams will panic and don't know what to do.

Originally Posted by prifess

the problem is ... we never have changed system or players...
1 year we played good, that was when we loanded crespo! he had an amazing impact on our team.
you can see that all teams know how milan plays and which player they need to look out for. it has been the same team for 5 years with little changes.

if we change the team a lil bith, the style a lil bith. other teams will panic and don't know what to do.

this is so right dude!! we are completely an open book so good managers like wenger or mourinho will tear us apart in UCL... i don't hope for it... i am only worried!!!

Originally Posted by Giovanni

A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..."

Exactly! It's YOUR scale my friend. If you were deeply honest, would you not say that a tiny part of you only values the CL higher because we win that more than we win the league?

What's more, what kind of season ticket did you get for only 300 euros? Is it because you know someone who knows someone who got them off the back of a truck Or are they really that cheap?