All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I think what he is trying to say is that a lot of the members here assumed that we were clean and when evidence came up against us we started living in a world of moral relativism. The merits of that are debatable but he does have a point.

Originally Posted by Vadim

What Kui is trying to say is that at the beginning of the scandal, some members here were all to happy that Juve was involved. Many people were saying things like "The cheaters have been caught," "give us back our Scudetti", etc. We just assumed Jtve was guilty. But when Milan was charged in the scandal, everyone assumed we were innocent and were just dragged into this by Juve.
In short, we assumed and wanted Juve to be guilty, but then we just got slapped in the face when Milan became involved. But we are saying how clean Milan are and how guilty Juve are without any proof. Hypocritical, no?
Kui, am I right in trying to convey your point?

Thank You Hassan and Vadim! Some of you have been tracking what I've been saying here since day 1 of this mess. People can disagree with me all they want. I said what I have said and it is archived. All I know is that what I've said has panned pretty much as I had predicted and in a way that I have feared would. I wish I was wrong and do truly hope that I'm wrong in what is yet to come. Thanks you two.

Kui, I'm asking you to calm down a bit here because your starting to risk a lot. Telling people you're going to rip them a new "@$$hole" and calling them fools is going too far and is the kind of thing Hottie was doing before getting banned, I wouldn't want you to get yourself in the same situation.

As for the matter, people will have double standards and they are wrong to do so, but they're feeding off of emotion a lot too, which is simply human nature.

Originally Posted by Kui

So this is ALL POLITICS. From the Milan side and thus also Juve's side of guilt or innocence based on political outcome and not on what we would hope to be the true meaning of justice.

Kui I don't really think from the Juve's side of guilt/innocence is based on a political outcome, simply because I cannot see a reason or a political benefit coming from it as there is nobody directly involved in Juve.
While if Milan are found guilty there is a HUGE political Benefit as everyone knows who Berlusconi is, i.e Leader of the opposition.

At the end I think we will see the true meaning of justice.
Politics will take part only for propoganda and if you look back it was used effectively only till the charges comes out. During the trials and Guries Honesty and Justice always finished triumphant.

On the other post I mentioned politics only to emphasies that if something is suspected illegal even if it is very mild and soft that normally with other entities an eye would be kept closed, just because it is Milan and Milan owned by Berlusconi, the suspect would be magnified.

These are only my opinion, nothing more, after all who am I?.....just a TV viewer

Kui, I'll continue on the other paragraphs later on because my TV this morning reported me to the union, complaining of long working hours, so now I am facing a general strike.

I just ordered a new one , cannot afford to miss Italy vs the Kangaroos

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

And Tony, I would ask you to do a little research before sayin something that stupid like this... In 2004/5 against juve the refs gave ony ONE penalty, in 37th round vs Lecce (Juve - Lecce 4-2), Vucinic scored from the spot. Only one single penalty for 38 games.
What about Milan? In the 9th minute of the first game of the season (Milan - Livorno 2-2) the ref gave a penalty (a deserved one) against us, and Dida was sent off, Lucarelli scored for 1-1...
So if you look more carefully the statistics, you'll see that the penalties against Milan were much much more than these against juve...
I'm not saying that we werent dirty through the years(I know Milan played in Serie B in early 80s), but in that PARTICULAR season we weren't.

I was talking about season 2005/06 if you didn't notice ! All matches were played in this season, and the stats about penalties were for this season ( given in 1 of the previous pages here on this topic...but as Jeff told me then, they don't give the true picture, and i agree).

Yes, 1 penalty only against Juve in season 2004/05,in a meaningless match against Lecce, where at the result 5:1, Dalla Bona made it 5:2.
And 3 penalties against Milan (you said much much more...is this much much more ?. )
Ok, penalties against Milan :

1. Milan-Livorno 2:2 Round 1
2. Milan-Lazio 2:1 Round 23
3. Milan-Palermo 3:3 Round 37 ( when everything was known allready)

So ?????

I know these stats prove nothing, but you're trying everything to use them against Juve, so i had to respond.


In season 2005/06, 2 penalties were given against Milan ( yeah, it's much more than the only penalty given against Juve, the previous season), and only 3 against Juventus

Penalties against Milan :
Inter-Milan 3:2 (there was penalty for Milan also on this match)
Milan-Udinese 5:1



Oh, and this season there were 10 penalties given for Milan, and 4 for Juve !!!


And for the 3rd time, this proves nothing, but wasn't that a double standard you had ??????

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Ok, i didn't watch Chievo match, and i'm kinda sure you don't know if there were some ref decissions in favour of Milan. You even insist on refs damaging Milan on that match ( by giving red card to Costacurta who was sitting on the bench ).

Tony, this is without prejudice if the above article is true or not.

Can you kindly show me were I mentioned Costacurta?

Take your time, I'm not in a hurry, just curiosity!!!!

Originally Posted by Maltese Charlie

Tony, this is without prejudice if the above article is true or not.

Can you kindly show me were I mentioned Costacurta?

Take your time, I'm not in a hurry, just curiosity!!!!

So sorry if it wasn't you who mentioned the red card. Someone else here did it, and i've mixed you.
Sorry again !

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Kui, I'm asking you to calm down a bit here because your starting to risk a lot. Telling people you're going to rip them a new "@$$hole" and calling them fools is going too far and is the kind of thing Hottie was doing before getting banned, I wouldn't want you to get yourself in the same situation.

As for the matter, people will have double standards and they are wrong to do so, but they're feeding off of emotion a lot too, which is simply human nature.

Dev... no problem. Keep in mind that I'm always calm. There may be a bit of fire in my writing. Sometimes too much fire. I know this. The other party involved seem to think that I singled him out as a fool. No one else took address/offense to that. hwmook obviously did so to which it is his problem at biting the bait. In fact can you tell me who are the fools? Is there anyone in particular? I gave a condition to where those who have a certain mentality would be fools. I never said hwmook you're a fool or hwmook I'm ashamed of YOU. He responded in kind to which showed me he wanted to "play". Now if he wants to play with me, mook needs to be ready for some rough tackles. Otherwise... he shouldnt engage a debate with me.

The grownups like Hassan, Charlie of Malta, Warro, Rae, mk18, Zlat and many others who have quick wits and minds engage in argument, discourse, and debates with me in a very mature fashion. The other few arent the rule, these lot are the exceptions, to which I'll act exceptionally(crass, rude, brutal, mean, inhumane, other expletives, etc, etc) as you have duly noted.
I'll admit that I like to go and seek out picking fights here and there in these forums. The best of the best members who I've mentioned above will engage in the debate, but their wisdom doesnt compel them to bite back. Those that bite back have already lost and fallen into the trap. You see what I'm sayng Dev?
As a matter of fact, the argument topics that are brought forward by me, isnt neccesarily my belief or endorsement of that particular side. I just like to argue/debate about it. Most of it I could care less the result or whatever side ones arguing for or against. WHoopdy friggin doo! Some guys already figured out my gameplan. I'm sure Warro has. He's been here the longest with me, Debs, and a few others. If you look I just about disagreed with almost everyone here on just about every darn thing for argument sake. Sometimes I beleive in the argument I make but most I could care less of any side.

Now hwmook, I will say overall I like him/her and have no personal ill will. Most of his posts I'm pretty much for and actually believe in myself. So I still have a positve attitude of him. He's a rossoneri for pete's sake! Right now we do have a highly volatile topic/event at hand to which yes there will be some high tension brought forward. Kindly do not close this thread. Right now only Tony29 and myself are bringing a total different side to this scandal to which many arent even considering. Everyone else is doing "the missonary". I'm saying screw that... what about the "doggy style". Catch my meaning? Now this is the best I will give as a symbolic olive branch. Anything more is too much.

I will take heed to your advice to my utmost ability Dev. It is good you remind me now and then and rein me in a bit Be in for some disappointment however. Not only from me but also from a good deal of other members.

Someone ban this spammer already!

But which Spam is only a link with the images of Moggi!!

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Kui, I'm asking you to calm down a bit here because your starting to risk a lot. Telling people you're going to rip them a new "@$$hole" and calling them fools is going too far and is the kind of thing Hottie was doing before getting banned, I wouldn't want you to get yourself in the same situation.

As for the matter, people will have double standards and they are wrong to do so, but they're feeding off of emotion a lot too, which is simply human nature.

Thank you.

Kui, there's a specific reason I mentioned hottie as an example. A key factor in her banning was she called people who didn't agree with her posts "idiots", which was taken by people as a personal attack, which could be used by people against you. I know you are willing to argue against anyone, but just be a little careful in choice of words please.

Devil Never Cry, you've made numerous links to some forum since joined, which is against forum rules. Please stop doing this, otherwise you'll get banned.

Originally Posted by Tony 29

...I was talking about season 2005/06 if you didn't notice ! ...

As I know, the investigations are about the 2004/05 season

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

As I know, the investigations are about the 2004/05 season

No, Chievo-Milan was in season 2004/05, investigations are for coruption in Italian football in general !

Originally Posted by Tony 29

No, Chievo-Milan was in season 2004/05, investigations are for coruption in Italian football in general !

Well, I meant the investigations that concern Milan...
Anything else doesn't matter for me.

Pessotto tried to commit suicide?!?!? Or someone has tried to kill him?!?!?