Winter Mercato

Warro :

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

FIFA rules stipulate that a player cannot be bought or sold more than once per football season...something like July thru to June of the next year...

Liverpool has been asking for special dispensation to sign Mascherano...but I dont know what the outcome will be, though I honestly doubt that FIFA will go back on its own rule...

The thing with Mascherano is that he's played very little since joining West Ham, far less than Tevez. One newspaper said he'd only played 6 minutes for the Hammers so far! I'm pretty sure that is completely false, but say a figure like that was true or a figure that was less than 90 minutes, when you look at it and say he's played less than 1 game of football in half a season you can see why Liverpool (or indeed any other club who would come in for him) would ask for Mascherano's case to be reviewed.

I think in such extreme circumstances where a player has played so little in such a long space of time and when injuries have not been a factor of forcing him out the side, then that player should be allowed to move a third time if he and his club so wishes.

You mean Fantan as in Fantan Mojah? LMAO!!!
OK I'm sorry to do this cause you seem like a pretty nice guy...but I have to cut up your argument (calls for the knife):

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

The crying, moaning and weeping wont make Berlu et al change their strategy....they wont care what you all are sobbing about...they have their plan, and they are sticking to it....so what will all this angst deliver? Nada. Nothing. They have their vision, and we could complain till the cows come home, it wont change

As you rightly said this is a forum so the moaners have the right to moan as much as they want. Additionally, the fact that you have decided not to moan about our recent poor decisions would have even less effect...in the unlikley event that anyone from milan's management even gets a glimpse of this site, they are quicker to be moved from the passion of the fans than their apathy

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

The fact that we own a few replica jerseys, or even go to a match ever so often, doesnt mean squat to the men spending the millions...so we have very little, or no voice. Milan is not a democracy...we cant vote Berlu out like Calderon or Bush. It doesnt work this way...sheesh!!

The reasons for our inactivity in this summers mercato are numerous, and have been mentioned here ad infinitum, so I wont bother even sumarizing them...we all know what they were. Forget them if u like, ignore them if u wish, but they had a big part, might I say the ultimate role in the determination of our aquisition strategy

Wrong again Mr Fantan Every club has obstacles in their transfer strategy...."ad infinitum" as it were...and yet Real has managed to purchase most of the bright footballing prospects. Juve seems to have healthy links with the rest. Are we in a worse position than Juve? ManU was purchased this year by a tycoon who was heavily in debt at the time. ManU have still manages to buy the esentials to their squad and are still chasing other top rated players...so what exactly is your point?

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Milan also isnt going to spend over the barrel on any players...simple..Abramovitch has helped make the transfer market into an artificial aspect of what it truly is, and so player values have been overinflated for some time...

Its important, despite Berlu´s billions, to balance our books (and not via the Inter method), so the club can continue to function...so when we dont buy players, or we dont get the ones we prefer...sit down, and hug it up...or come here, and make post after post, saying the same thing, time and again...or go do something about it...like my initial recommendation

Doesn't it seem to you that Berlu's books are being balanced a bit too heavily in his direction? Point taken about Abramovic's -ve influence on the transfer market...however Wenger has been buying shrewdly (read "cheaply") for years...with phenomenal results.....what about the other clubs who supposedly overspend like Inter and Real?? To date I haven't heard Moratti or any Real official declare bankruptcy.... and if Berlu's books are so well balanced, don't you think its time to show some ca$h??

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Wont argue with you too much on this one, as Management do make mistakes, but let me ask you this: after he scored on his debut...were you this critical? Or did you, like most of us, hope it would continue? That his sister was been kidnapped shortly thereafter means nothing right? He should just continue on, like nothing has happened? Eh? Oh! Thought so.

Replacing Sheva doesnt come just like that...We gave Crespo back to Chelsea, as they would have wanted for him to be a "make weight" in the Sheva deal...and Crespo for Sheva and some money may not have been the best option for us

Actually you are wrong about that one. Chelsea would have sold had we negotiated better, but at the end of it all we told Crespo no because we thought Gila was the 2nd comming of Maradonna . As for Olivera scoring on his debut, I can't picture any milan fan not wanting their players to do well...How does that relate to their actual performances and abilities?? If you had seen Olivera play prior to this you would have known that he would struggle across here because he simply isn't given the space he's accustommed to. And since our scouts didn't take the time to properly assess him, we are reaping the rewards for our shoddy preparation

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Did you watch Bonera vs Lazio? You couldnt have...he was our best player by far on the pitch..making Maldini look "normal" with his timely tackles, and interceptions...Stam who?

There must be another drucurl on this site...this couldnt be the same poster I read a few days ago in this very thread re Ronaldo......plus, who knows what il phenomeno will do when he turns out in a red and black kit...could be another Rivaldo...or it could be another Crespo...who knows? I dont, and neither do you....So welcome Ronaldo if you do come, and good luck

Comparing Bonera to Stam makes me doubt your credibility..I am quite sure that Peter Crouch Played MANY matches better than Pele'. Could Crouchinho hold a candle to the maestro?? HELL NO!! Bonera is slow, unlike Stam. Bonera also is reluctant unlike Stam who, right or wrong was always decisive. Also Bomera totally sucks monkeyballs on the wings, while Stam was a fairly decent RB .
As for ronaldo...he IS a wildcard.....I am backing him up 100%...but the facts are that of late he IS injury prone, and SerieA defenders go to town on all attackers. his talent is not in doubt..its his survival time in Iyaly that concerns me. Many times even recently I have seen defenders aim for specific locations on his foot..to injure. So whether he is strong enough to continue remains to be seen

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Importantly, you mentioned, in my mind, the ultimate determining factor: "Availability"...who is available, and proven to be world class, in the striking department at the moment? Name 3 players, their clubs, and their price tags please, if u dont mind.

Yup, and these fans, are all experts right? He is how young? 21? Does he have time to improve with all the great teachers he will have, from Cafu to Maldini? Ahh...yeah...hasnt played one real game for us yet, but: waste of a HUGE investment...stupid Milan management

Other than Pato- Internacional ($10-20M), Nilmar-Lyon (~$15M), Klasnic-Werder Bremen (~$15M), Klose (same as Klasnic) Ronaldo-Real Madrid ($10M)
no one really comes to mind atm

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Lets see...1. Oddo is Italian (important since all the Non-EU places are taken), 2. is on the national team...which implies he is one of the best in his position in Italy...3. captain of Lazio (another team with no-body, no talent, and that just held us to a draw)..nahh...he is worthless...another example of Milan´s stingyness and carelessness.

I cannot say that I am not bothered by our inactivity, and/or our targets...but as I have said before...I will make mention of it, but not ad infinitum like many here do...how many times can you sit (or stand) and type the same thing, without feeling a little crazy?

As long as they screw up fans are going to complain....don't wives/ gf's bother us about the same things every day? OK that's a bad example...they are crazy ..But my point is when situations don't change, expect people to complain about them all the time until they are resolved or irrelevant

Gah ... so much text! Nice disscussions though guys.

To be honest i see Bonera as more of a replacement to Billy or Simic.. He isnt a great RB.. but is improving steadly as a CB..

Well with Real demanding a fee for Ronaldo, and Milan not going the extra yard and paying 3 mill euros extra for Oddo.. i cant see us making anymore signings this window...

No One Player Will Join Milan!!! Because Our President Is To Carefull With Money...so It Leaves Us...inzaghi In Atack And Costacurta In Defence...
Good Joob Galiani&berlusconi

Originally Posted by 51% of MM members

"Good Joob" Galiani&berlusconi

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists

Spoken like a true Juve fan
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

I have NEVER criticised Berlusconni because I knew his political career for the most part has his hands tied. the others though I am having a problem with. They are entrusted with more than a club or a buisness. They are entrusted with a philosophy a legacy and a legend.

but I will give you this that its because of Berlusconni that I personally am a Milan fan because I was originally a Sheva fanboy!

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists

Yeah you are right Tony29...but now he is here and he is our president so...it is obvious that we are judging him...Real Inter Man Utd...they all have good young perspectiv players...and he buy what?
Oddo?
He is not a class RB like Caffu...and if he want to win something...we have to spend a little...not like this.We have a great chance to sign Ronaldo, who needs a little motivation to be great striker again, and our menagment say that they are not giving even a single euro to Real Madrid for Ronaldo?!?!?!
What are they thinking? This isnt some supermarket...take something and if you dont like it turn it back?
I hope that we will sign RONALDO because he will help us alot.
Oh...btw we singed Oddo today

Oddo is not as good as Cafu was at his best, but he is way better than this years Cafu or lasr years Cafu.... All the moves in Lazio came from Oddo, his crosses are very good, he is experienced in serie a, and can play good defence also. Lets hope he will not get injued and that he will repay this money back. Now we finnaly have a RB that can play 10 game sin a row without getting injued. Cafu can play now and then this season and then he is free to return to Brazil. His time is over.

Oddo-Nesta/Bonera-Kaladze/Maldini-Jankulovski

We are now just fine for this season....

Originally Posted by drucurl

Spoken like a true Juve fan
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

I have NEVER criticised Berlusconni because I knew his political career for the most part has his hands tied. the others though I am having a problem with. They are entrusted with more than a club or a buisness. They are entrusted with a philosophy a legacy and a legend.

but I will give you this that its because of Berlusconni that I personally am a Milan fan because I was originally a Sheva fanboy!

Just to let you know drucurl, that without Berlu, MVB would never have played for us. Never. It was through Berlu´s personal intervention that the Dutchman arrived in Milan.

I wont bother to go back over the argument we are having, but suffice it to say that I disagree with most, if not all your points...but work becons, and without work, no food etc....so u win.

I remain surprised however, that you continue to find fault with our transfer season, or inactivity as it were, knowing what you do of the summers events, likewise, and I daresay not knowing who Berlu et al were trying to aquire...of those u mentioned...Klose is Juve bound, the other German...did he get called up for the WCup? The others are untested in Europe, so again, your argument, IMO is lacking.

Without sure knowledge of who we tried, and who we didnt try for, it is quite astonishing that a man of your supposed intellect, would continue down this road.

Also, your response to Tony is also a bit weird, as you unintentionaly barrack Berlu, then admit that you are a fan of Milan because of the very man you are complaining about..because, like it or not...no one, and I mean no one is bought by Milan without Berlu´s express consent. That much I do know.

Suffice it to say, that as far as I am concerned, we (by that I mean Milan management) are doing what they consider to be the best for the club...you might not agree, but its a bit careless to make judgement when one is ignorant of the bigger picture, as well as the fine details of our aqusition process...

Originally Posted by drucurl

Spoken like a true Juve fan
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

The legends of Gre-no-li trio and Rivera would have been just a nice memory of the good ( very) old times. If there wasn't for Berlu then most probably Rivera to Milan fans would have been what Shilton, Anderson, Robertson, McGovern, Lloyd are to Nottingham Forest fans - the last great thing that happened to the club.

Berlusconi in 1986 has done what Abramovich did with Chelsea. If Berlu had the chance, he would have bought Juve or Inter. But he couldn't do so , so he bought an average and cheap team, that spent 2 years ( from last 6) in serie B, a team that won only one scudetto in last 18 years before he bought them. Milan had 9 Scudetto's at the time. The same as ...Genoa. If he bought Genoa instead of Milan then the chances for Genoa winning the CL 4 times since 1989 and Milan being a serie B club at the moment are pretty big, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Milan before Berlu bought them

1986 - 7th place
1985 - 5th place
1984 - 8th place
1983 - serie B
1982 - 14th place
1981 - serie B
1980 - 3rd place
1979 - 1st place
1978 - 5th place
1977 - 10th place
1976 - 3rd place
1975 - 5th place
1974 - 7th place
1973 - 2nd place
1972 - 3rd place
1971 - 2nd place
1970 - 4th place
1969 - 3rd place

He created the big Milan. Inter and Juve were bigger names, better teams before Berlu . And today Milan is much bigger name in Italy and Europe than Inter...not to mention Genoa who was on par with you before Berlusconi came.
He was doing exactly the same thing Abramovich is doing now. He bought an average club bought maybe 15-20 world class players, outpaying for most of them ( Lentini's world record purchase) and Berlu and only Berlu is responsibile for Van Basten, Gullit, Rikaard, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Savicevic, Boban, Shevchenko, Weah, Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso being part of Milan and winning so much.

I know this is all hypotetical, but if he bought Genoa and not Milan, i really believe Milan would have now been an average Italian team, visiting serie B now and then !

So, yes, you're right that he's not bigger than Milan. He's not bigger than Milan before 1986, and he's not bigger than Milan after 1986, but he's equal to Milan after 1986. Because he is Milan of 1986-2007 !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

a team that won only one scudetto in last 18 years before he bought them.

fcs, Tony, does that mean Silvio is about to buy Inter

Great points Tony, although it kind of saddens me that Milan fans need a Juve fan to remind them where Milan was before Silvio and where Milan would have been without him at the helm.

Thanks Tony....thanks very much. Maybe some of the dissenters, complainers, and otherwise dissatisfied supporters will put that in their pipes and smoke it.

That Berlu hasnt splashed the cash since...what..Gila´s purchase..doesnt mean that his reserves have dried up...doesnt mean he cares little for his investment, it means that he is being more prudent with his spending...

And if you still have a bee in your bonnet after all this, then feel free to start a internet petition to have Berlu sell the club (as some of you have suggested) to a wealthy Arab, or Russian oligarch....or accept our transfer and team situation as they are, with far fewer complaints...or simply find another club (Chelsea or Inter anyone?) to support....or last but not least...there is FIFA 07 (manager mode), and that other Management game for the PC....create your own Milan why dont you?