Is Carlo Still In Next Season....

Jeff.....i really do not understand what you are trying to say....what i posted was not intended for you...the people who broke the rule know i was refering to them.......one apologised....the other two have not.

But apart of that i will make this as clear as possible......

THE NEXT PERSONAL ATTACK BY ANYONE TO ANYONE WILL RESULT IN THIS THREAD BEING CLOSED!!

I don;t think i can be any more clear than that....everyone has their own opioion no matter how warped others may think it be.....the fact remains that everyone can say what they want.......

if someone's posts ticks you off to a point where you want to launcha personal attack...then just don't bother reading it or replying.....in other words ignore it!

the older members know what i mean.....younger members , try to use this when the time comes. I'm not going to post my personal opinion here about this topic becuase i do not want to be mis-understood anymore...cause i may blow my lid.....so just keep it clean if everyone wants to be on my good side

THE NEXT PERSONAL ATTACK BY ANYONE TO ANYONE WILL RESULT IN THIS THREAD BEING CLOSED!!

Now you really tempt me, trini, I'm ready to do or say about anything to get this useless thread closed

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

I just cannot believe the way you behave. I think we can tell what we think freely here. I do not have to like Ancelotti or his tactics. I am underestimating my team here, as i always said they are the best squad so far. But i do not believe in Ancelotti's capacity.

I can be wrong in your opinion or not thinking as u do but nobody should be aggressive, we are all supporting the same team here. And mk18, you do not have behave like fanatics and say ''Rossonero to the bone'' because I am not from the dark side.

Please, "i may hate your idea, but i will defend to the death your right to express it." Voltaire.

i didnt even doubt ur faith in milan... im telling u alot of us dont like your opinion, and we told u why... ur just repeating the same points ...

... screw this... im not replying here anymore

My aim is not to send posts which are to be in the same opinions with the others or to be liked by the others. They ask for the evidences and i write. They ask a question and then i reply. That is it. I am repeating the same points? If i do not have different opinions about one topic, of course i will repeat them. Just like people who do not think like me, repeats the same things.

Originally Posted by Laudrup

Now you really tempt me, trini, I'm ready to do or say about anything to get this useless thread closed

LOL........

Im with you Grenoli_Trio.

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

My aim is not to send posts which are to be in the same opinions with the others or to be liked by the others. They ask for the evidences and i write. They ask a question and then i reply. That is it. I am repeating the same points? If i do not have different opinions about one topic, of course i will repeat them. Just like people who do not think like me, repeats the same things.

Good for you, and I mean that, and i thought that's what makes it interesting.

I understand your frustration with Carlo Ancelotti, but all the while you are speaking of are short-term evidence. THese are thoughtful comments, but one should not forget about the long-term that he has done for the team, so far.

I don't think i need to point out why Ancelotti is a good coach. I simply forgot how many times he had done the right thing in the second half to save our team from losing.

Postiive list:
Coming back from 2-0 down against an Inter side, winning 3-2.
Coming back twice and scored last minute against Ajax, 3-2.
Coming back from 1-0 down losing to Fiorentina with a less-catuious formation 3-5-2.
Coming back against Lazio after 1-0 down.
Beating Man U twice without Shevchenko.
Beating Inter Milan 3 goals, forcing the fans to throw flare at Dida.
When the whole world is watching Milan against Barcelona in San Siro, Milan won 1-0, convincingly.
Won against PSV in the first league by 2-0, preventing PSV from scoring. Furthermore, Tomasson scored at the dying minute when Milan was truly suffering.

These are your evidences:
Against Barcelona, where we only needed a point. And we almost (but didn't) make it. Instead of saying as a 'bad' formation, why can't we compliment Ronaldinho?
Against PSV: We played badly against PSV. There is no doubt about that. And this is Mr. Ancelotti's fault. I do agree with whta you are saying about point 4.
Argument about "DO YOU THINK PORTO WAS A BETTER TEAM THAN US LAST YEAR?". No. We were on par, if not better, in terms of results. We won the scudetto, while MIlan lost uncharacteristically 4-0. (ok, here you go I found another evidence for you), but Porto claimed to be the chamipon of Europe, with your all-time favorite Morinuho to be the coach.


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And I'm sure all other members can add A LOT MORE on the Postive list b ecause i have poor memory adn I cannot remember what othe rthings Ancelotti had done for us. (Howa bout the amazing first half against Juventus in the final but no one seems to remember?) (Or how about putting Pirlo in front of the defense? (Or how about beating Bayern Munich twice, thanks to Inzaghi) Other members can add on the list, if you wish. Oh wait, how about beating Roma 2-0? Beating Roma twice last year 2-1, 1-0, with the other giant coach Capello, giants, world-class players Totti (or you may not agree with me about this)? The list is exhaustive but too long for me to summarize.

So MY conclusion is:
1) My lists are longer than yours.
2) All the evidence you have written are of recent results. And i dont' quite remember any posts regarding Ancelotti's ability last month when Milan has not started losing (and drawing).

And thus I reach my point.

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And this is why I say I'm not a blind follower/or su*ker of Ancelotti. I saw these evidence. These facts are hard as rock. You cannot deny because it happens.

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regarding respect toward Barcelona (and Cheslea, if you want to add), tell me which leagues are more difficult to obtain this year, 2 weeks before Juve and Milan met. At that time, Barcelona was leading by 6 points, while Chelsea has almost (if not) claimed the title. If this is not an indication of how competitve that particiular league is, then tell me which league started stupidly late and forced players to play so many games despite CL.

People are comparing teams in terms of domestic league form. Why si there no one talk about Celtic who always win in Scotland then? Ok, because Barcelona plays beautifully. Tell me whether you can compare when Barcelona played against Malaga and Milan playing against Palermo. Is Malaga = Palermo? In no way. So how do people say that Barcelona is 'more beautiful' than Milan, beacuse Milan won 1-0 esp. start defending after scoring a goal, while Barcelona kept attacking after 2-0 up.

ANd the questio nfor you is: How do you know that Milan is not going to keep on attacking when they play against Malaga is 2-0 up?

There is no way to compare, except on the European stage (Champion League.) And now Milan is in the final, and they shall earn respect. They are in the Barcelona group but succeeded in finishing top of the group. Do you remember that? We actually held Celtic 0-0 at their home, did you remember that? no one remembers it, they only remember the present adn forgot about the past.

And this is why people are complaining when Milan immeidately lose/draw/play ugly. They only remember the present, not the past. The assumption for them is that the present is going to continue, but how many times did Milan show that this is just an episode?

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I hope you find my argument convincing. My evidences are collective over the last few years.

Good luck. I feel that I'm spending enough of my time and to present my point.

My last point is: Respect comes from us, not others. If people don't apprecaite what Milan does, that's ok. We appreciate.
Best of luck
J

Originally Posted by triniman

Jeff.....i really do not understand what you are trying to say....what i posted was not intended for you...the people who broke the rule know i was refering to them.......one apologised....the other two have not.

I don't think I'm aiming that post to you as well. I just hit the quote button and reply. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

My aim is not to send posts which are to be in the same opinions with the others or to be liked by the others. They ask for the evidences and i write. They ask a question and then i reply. That is it. I am repeating the same points? If i do not have different opinions about one topic, of course i will repeat them. Just like people who do not think like me, repeats the same things.

And so dear Grenoli, hit me back (in terms of argument) about what I wrote above. And our convesation shalt (...) shall continue.

You said well too, Jeff. You have good evidences, too. So we both have evidences to defend our ideas. You can keep on thinking Ancelotti is a good coach and i can keep on thinking he is not good enough for us. I generally told everything what i think. So i do not think i have something more to write.

edit: I wrote '' You are a sucker for Ancelotti''. English is not my mother tongue but it means ''to like''? I am sorry if i am mistaken.

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

You said well too, Jeff. You have good evidences, too. So we both have evidences to defend our ideas. You can keep on thinking Ancelotti is a good coach and i can keep on thinking he is not good enough for us. I generally told everything what i think. So i do not think i have something more to write.

edit: I wrote '' You are a sucker for Ancelotti''. English is not my mother tongue but it means ''to like''? I am sorry if i am mistaken.

Indeed. Suc*er is a little bit offensive. Nevertheless....

My last point: I think i could not express myself truly that i am proud of Milan of course. If i did not think that i would not write a post about our lovely football. You can read in CL part, name is ''The monster arises again?'' I also totally agree with you about Barcelona as i wrote above. Sorry for repeating but i only complain about Ancelotti. I expressed my reasons. I think we are talking between us here. thanks, take it easy.

I think they need hold onto Carlo until Maldini retires and he will then become our next coach and lead us to 20 years of success now folks that Milans destiny.

Doesnt it depend on the individual though. Some wants beautiful football; others say our football is good enough for the trophies so Im fine with it.

"our football"???/ .... sally... ur not one of us!