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Old 09-12-2002, 23:53   #106
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YOu talk about achievements, what have or had Beckham achieved?

He played on a winning team all his life. ManU, that cannot prove anything. I know that he had won a lot of silverware with ManU, but he did not made ManU strong. THat is important. A true star help their team to be stronger, like Baggio, he has no one in Brecisca, but Brescia got to stay in Series A b/c of him. Rui Costa and Battigol together helped Fio to be one of the better team in Italy.
Maradona singlehandedly made football history with Argentina and Napoli. Can you say that about Beckham?? I don't think so.
Sheva helped Kiev to be the top of their leagues and advance to the latter stage of CL by himself.
Rivaldo saved Barcelona butt time after time when the past few seasons.
Even Totti saves his team Roma from destruction this season.
Can you say that about Beckham?
The person who saves ManU time after time is no other than Giggs and sometime Keane not Backham.

Sure you can say that Beckham's free kicks save ManU all the time, but you have to first ask yourself, who got him those free kicks?

Thats about what I have to say.
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Old 09-12-2002, 23:53   #107
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YOu talk about achievements, what have or had Beckham achieved?

He played on a winning team all his life. ManU, that cannot prove anything. I know that he had won a lot of silverware with ManU, but he did not made ManU strong. THat is important. A true star help their team to be stronger, like Baggio, he has no one in Brecisca, but Brescia got to stay in Series A b/c of him. Rui Costa and Battigol together helped Fio to be one of the better team in Italy.
Maradona singlehandedly made football history with Argentina and Napoli. Can you say that about Beckham?? I don't think so.
Sheva helped Kiev to be the top of their leagues and advance to the latter stage of CL by himself.
Rivaldo saved Barcelona butt time after time when the past few seasons.
Even Totti saves his team Roma from destruction this season.
Can you say that about Beckham?
The person who saves ManU time after time is no other than Giggs and sometime Keane not Backham.

Sure you can say that Beckham's free kicks save ManU all the time, but you have to first ask yourself, who got him those free kicks?

Thats about what I have to say.
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Old 11-12-2002, 10:10   #108

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Van der Vaart

i strongly suggest that we have to sign this player from ajax. he is amazing and from what i have seen he is a similar kind of player to that of aimar. we have had a strong dutch tradition for the past 10 years or so... the dutch players which we have signed were all succesful and im sure he will be another success story if we could sign him

he is quick and very mobile, similar to aimar of valencia and emre of inter, he assists well and even scores goals... if we need someone to add more flair in the game, we have to get him before other top clubs do... i really dont want to see him go to inter or juventus or any other italian club
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Old 11-12-2002, 10:28   #109

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we have had a strong dutch tradition for the past 10 years or so... the dutch players which we have signed were all succesful and im sure he will be another success story if we could sign him
Kluivert, Bogarde and Davids?

Back to the topic, I never seen Van Der Vaart play. But I have heard great things of him.. Must be a great player...
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Old 11-12-2002, 10:31   #110

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not referring to kluiver bogarde and davids mate, i was referring to van basten,frank rinkjard and gullit and even seedorf now
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Old 11-12-2002, 11:40   #111
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sorry pal, but you wrote that:

"the dutch players which we have signed were ALL succesful..."

ALL is all for me...

next time try to mention names first and not only "all"!


by the way: he is a great player, but I don't think Milan needs him.

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Old 11-12-2002, 14:42   #112
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not referring to kluiver bogarde and davids mate, i was referring to van basten,frank rinkjard and gullit and even seedorf now
It was Rijkaard

And surely VanderVaart is a great player. His left foot is simply terrific. His skills are amazing. But it's too soon to compare him with Aimar He's still young and has to mature, and we don't know yet how he can cope with the pressure of a big league, as defense in the Dutch competition ain't pretty strong :p Another problem is his fitness :s He has been injured a lot lately. I hope it's not a muscular problem
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Old 11-12-2002, 21:02   #113

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Yes, He will be a great star to come but currently, we are overloaded in the midfield and it will not make nay sense if we buy Van Der Vart for a high price but benched him...
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Old 11-12-2002, 23:30   #114
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I don't see why Milan need someone like Vander Vaart for now, maybe in 2-3 years, when Serginho, Rui Costa and Rivaldo retire or leave, then there will be room for Vander Vaart. However, even then, Gattuso, Ambro, Donati, Pirlo, Seedolf, Brocchi, Sam Dalla Bona will all be at their prime.
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Old 12-12-2002, 04:02   #115

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if vandervaart was bought, he wouldn't be benched
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Old 12-12-2002, 04:24   #116
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Ahmet Hossam...

hey guys what do you think about Ahmet Hossam or Mido. is he capable of playing here.
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Old 12-12-2002, 06:32   #117

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He's a good player I know him very good since he played in Gent.He was good in Gent but not that good I don't even think he was the best player in the league so I don't think he would be good enough for milan.If you want to buy a young great attacker then buy Ibrahimovic(Zlatan) He's much better
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Old 12-12-2002, 06:45   #118

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You all are saying you can't compare him with aimar,well you're right because he's allready now better than aimar to me
If you would watch the dutch league every weekend like I do than you would say this too he's just a wonderfull player!

BTW LET US BUY THE WHOLE AJAX TEAM(ZLATAN MIDO VAN DER VAART CHIVU BOUKHARI DE JONG PIENAAR THE'RE ALL GREAT ESPECIALLY ZLATAN CHIVU AND VAN DER VAART
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Old 12-12-2002, 07:55   #119

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i know that dutch league's standard is not good, but ajax team is class of its own, they almost beat valencia in spain and they won roma deservedly.... so what i am trying to say is that van der vaart can adapt to any league in the world.
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I don't see why Milan need someone like Vander Vaart for now, maybe in 2-3 years, when Serginho, Rui Costa and Rivaldo retire or leave, then there will be room for Vander Vaart. However, even then, Gattuso, Ambro, Donati, Pirlo,
by 2-3 years time he wont be available, he would have been bought by other top teams..
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Old 12-12-2002, 08:40   #120

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*edited* in reply to gavins statement about beckham *edited*

1. Almost all those playes you mention here are strikers. Ofcourse more attention goes out to the strikers cuz they have to produce the goals. Comparing a midfielder with a striker makes no sence. It's about wether or not Beckham is a world start player at his position.
2. A sucky player doesn't last as long at a big club like man utd like beckham does. If you want to talk about average or bad players at man utd think about barthez, neville, silvestre, frolan, etc., etc.
3. "Who got him the free kicks?". You will always get freekicks. If you're lucky you got a player in your team who can produce goals out of those freekicks.
4. Some facts:

Look at the % of completed passes.

FA PREMIERSHIP 00/01 01/02
Minutes played 2650 2127
Goals Inside Box 2 6
Goals Outside Box 7 5
Total Shots From Inside Box 8 19
Total Shots From Outside Box 50 51
Shooting Accuracy % 55 46
Goals/Shots % 16 16
Minutes Per Goal Scored 294 193
Goal Assists 12 8
Short Passes 1363 1034
Long Passes 718 500
Pass Completion Opposition Half% 73 71
Pass Completion Own Half % 89 88
Crosses to Own Player 107 78
Crosses to Opposition Player 246 170
Crosses Completion % 30 31
Tackles Attempted 31 44
Tackle Success % 68 57
Blocks 8 5
Interceptions 5 7
Fouls Conceded 31 32
Fouls Won 51 32
Offsides 8 12
Yellow Cards 3 6
Red Cards 0 0
INDEX SCORE 1323 1419

Honors:

1991 - Signs as trainee for Manchester United
1992 - Wins FA Youth Cup
1992 - Makes senior team debut with Manchester Utd in Coca Cola Cup
1993 - Signs as professional for Manchester United
1995 - Plays five games on loan to Preston North End
1995 - Makes league debut for Manchester Utd against Leeds
1996 - Manchester Utd win FA Premiership
1996 - Manchester Utd win FA Cup
1996 - Makes International debut for England against Moldova
Player of the Month - August 1996
Sky Sports/Panasonic Young Player award
Sky Sports/Panasonic Fans' Footballer award
1997 - Manchester Utd win FA Charity Shield
1997 - Manchester Utd win FA Premiership
PFA Young Player of the Year
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year
1999 - Manchester Utd win FA Premiership
1999 - Manchester Utd win FA Cup
1999 - Manchester Utd win UEFA Champions League
UEFA Most Valuable Player
UEFA Best Midfielder
2000 - Manchester United win FA Premiership
2000 - Appointed England national team captain
Voted second in World and European Player of the Year awards
2001 - Manchester United win FA Premiership
Voted Sportsman of the Year by Sports Writers Association
Voted BBC Sports Personality of the Year
Voted second in FIFA World Player of the Year

I'm not talking about off-pitch behaviour or performance. The guy is dumb but his footballskills are unquestionable.

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