Milan - Juventus (30/10 - 20:45)

Originally Posted by Siregar

Why didn't he use Flamini instead of Seedrof? I know Flamini is a DM but Flamini could be also very helpful in attacking.

I think because Seedorf is a more creative player than Flamini, which is something we were lacking in the match. Robinho has been really good of late, but he isn't a playmaker, and yesterday's match showed that very well.

Originally Posted by Siregar

Why didn't he use Flamini instead of Seedrof? I know Flamini is a DM but Flamini could be also very helpful in attacking.

I agree. I think we really need kind of player, attacking midfielder. We need creativity. Pirlo can't do it alone.

Yes, Flamini can be helpful, but Flamini can't create anything, just like Gattuso. We needed creativity, and Seedorf was only creative player we had on the bench.

To be honest, the more the time pasts the more I'm sure that Robinho move was a show off move.

Don't get me wrong, Robinho is great player, but in this Milan setup he's a surplus. The thing is, Robinho has a little bit of everything, but he isn't a great goalscorer, and neither great passer. He can succeed in a team where he has a great creative trequartista and great finisher beside him. Brazilian NT is the case. Kaka and Luis Fabiano are perfect attack where Robinho can fit in. But in this Milan, when we already have two great goalscorers and no trequartista, Robinho can't add anything. Last night, our only creative player was Pirlo and he was waaay to deep. But, if Pirlo isn't that deep, we're facing another problem. Allegri is trying lately with pulling Ibra deep to help in creative part of the game, but no matter how capable player Ibra is, he can't be a trequartista and center forward at the same time.

Originally Posted by Revolver

Yes, Flamini can be helpful, but Flamini can't create anything, just like Gattuso. We needed creativity, and Seedorf was only creative player we had on the bench.

To be honest, the more the time pasts the more I'm sure that Robinho move was a show off move.

Don't get me wrong, Robinho is great player, but in this Milan setup he's a surplus. The thing is, Robinho has a little bit of everything, but he isn't a great goalscorer, and neither great passer. He can succeed in a team where he has a great creative trequartista and great finisher beside him. Brazilian NT is the case. Kaka and Luis Fabiano are perfect attack where Robinho can fit in. But in this Milan, when we already have two great goalscorers and no trequartista, Robinho can't add anything. Last night, our only creative player was Pirlo and he was waaay to deep. But, if Pirlo isn't that deep, we're facing another problem. Allegri is trying lately with pulling Ibra deep to help in creative part of the game, but no matter how capable player Ibra is, he can't be a trequartista and center forward at the same time.

Last night against Juventus, Robinho was everything for Ac Milan. How did Ibra score again? Robinho run through a couple of Juve defenders and laid the ball to antonini who crossed and Ibra headed home.Robinho infact was the only AC Milan player able to penetrate the 5 against 3 Juve defense. He provided Ac Milan with chance after chance. Robinho was the man of the match. It was his move that made it all possible for the ibra goal.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

About Pato, yeah obviously I was pissed for his two pathetic games in a row, and I don't want to sell him yet because I think his value can go even higher. Maybe after a season he scores 30 goals we should reconsider his situation.

So after a season he scores an incredible 30 goals, you will think: let's sell him? I don't know about you, but I prefer to keep such player then. For someone who has Pato listed as one of his favourite players, you surely like to talk about a potential departure of him. How do you think this will benefit Milan?

Originally Posted by MilanMikey

i would not want to sell pato, however the only way id be happy with his sale is if we make use and buy neymar ganso and jucelei

Best would be if we replace Ronaldinho with a proper AMC and keep Pato. That would be way better than your plan. Pato is a world class player, will be the best striker of this decade, or close to. Neymar is nothing compared to him.

Originally Posted by Pedro

Pato is a world class player, will be the best striker of this decade, or close to. Neymar is nothing compared to him.

you have no proof of this...not yet anyway

Its not a big deal to lose games. But to lose the the way we did last night is unacceptable. I would not have had a problem had we played the way Napoli played against us with 10 men. I am not someone who likes to compare but Leo did a much better job with his limited resources than what Allegri is doing with what he has right now. Plus Allegri is a professional while Leo was only an amateur.

Damn, we lost against Juventus + I was among a bunch of fans of Juventus to watch this game ... what a bad night (they opened their mouth a lot then) !!

There is something I hate about our team nowadays: the lack of rythm. We play really slowly, it's like if we're unable to accelerate the rythm of the game. Our opponents all manage to have chances with 2-3 passes, we need 5-6 passes to be in their area. It's really too slow. They need to play more simply, and as a consequence, more efficiently.

Originally Posted by kogalo

Last night against Juventus, Robinho was everything for Ac Milan. How did Ibra score again? Robinho run through a couple of Juve defenders and laid the ball to antonini who crossed and Ibra headed home.Robinho infact was the only AC Milan player able to penetrate the 5 against 3 Juve defense. He provided Ac Milan with chance after chance. Robinho was the man of the match. It was his move that made it all possible for the ibra goal.

Robinho only showed up for the last 20 minutes in the match, otherwise he was completely anonymous through the match and didn't even help defensively, normally a positive feature of his game. Also, Robinho's dominance was due to him attacking down Juve's right, where they had Pepe defending, so it's really no surprise he was penetrating more than our other players.

If we're talking about Robinho playing a big hand in Ibra's goal, then does that mean Antonini who set up the goal and frequently at the end overlapped to get into good crossing positions had a good game? I would say no. Did Pato and Pirlo who set up Ibra for guilt edged chances have good games? Again, I think the answer is no.

For all his good work at the end, Robinho was poor overall yesterday. In fact, not many of our players actually played a good or even average game. The irony being that on the whole, the team didn't actually play a bad game either.

I just feel if we had a more clinical finisher, better than Ibrahimovic, a goal poacher, more like a penalty box striker rather rather than a forward, some one who mostly scores from the chances close to the goal, then ACM would have won the game 3-2 Ibrahimovic made a mess of great chances & people were getting for one miss of Seedorf from close range against Real away ......


But the good news is AC Milan is going to win against Real Madrid

Originally Posted by mzk57

I just feel if we had a more clinical finisher, better than Ibrahimovic, a goal poacher, more like a penalty box striker rather rather than a forward, some one who mostly scores from the chances close to the goal, then ACM would have won the game 3-2 Ibrahimovic made a mess of great chances & people were getting for one miss of Seedorf from close range against Real away ......

Pato should be that player... and I wonder how Pato+Ibrahimovic partnership would work with a proper attacking midfielder behind the two.

Originally Posted by Siregar

Hahaha

Ok Pato hater, may I ask you? Who is Cicalicoto? What he has done? How can you compare unknown player from most overrated club in the world with Pato?

You can't judge players only from few games. With Pato we have to be patient. He didn't play many games with Milan since he was very often injured. Give him times, he is still so young.

We lost and it hurts but doesn't mean we lost control of our objectivity.

Who is Pato? What has he done? The most overrated club?...you mean Milan?

I am as objective as can be thank you very much.

Pato is the least of our problems and the reason is simple: If for whatever reason we don't want him he is 'sellable'.

Simple solution is Hamsik.

Originally Posted by bijon

Who is Pato? What has he done? The most overrated club?...you mean Milan?

I am as objective as can be thank you very much.

You compare a player that only played 6 games with Manchester United with Pato?

And you think it objective?

Seriously, a player will move every transfer season when the coach only judges the player from 2-3 games! Pato still needs lots to learn but forcing him to play well and score every game is ridiculous.

Pato is only 21 years old. Be patient!

Originally Posted by Siregar

You compare a player that only played 6 games with Manchester United with Pato?

And you think it objective?

Seriously, a player will move every transfer season when the coach only judges the player from 2-3 games! Pato still needs lots to learn but forcing him to play well and score every game is ridiculous.

Pato is only 21 years old. Be patient!

how many games do you need to see to tell the difference in quality between the two? the fact that he(Chicarito) has already gelled with his team in such a short time speaks volumes about his quality. Yes, Pato is young but there are so many other youngsters his age even younger playing with more maturity. I want to see him score against disciplined organized teams with proper defenses, then we can talk, until then I will just and at people like you.