nefremo

nefremo · 09-10-2006, 13:25

Well, of course a player is proven once he has done well in a top club...as you mentioned Roma, Juve, Inter. But then that would mean that we only have to buy players from top clubs, and that most of the time is not the easiest thing to do.
Personaly, I agree with you......but if a player has talent and is doing well, I think it is worth gambling and bringing him in, expecially if the price is appealing. After all........Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso were never expected to be the center of a Scudetto, CL, World Cup winning teams. We brought them in and it turned out fine. The point is that mentall toughness will be really really hard to judge. The "proven in Serie A" thing has nothing to do with mentall toughness but it gives you a PLUS on the fact that the player is used to life in Italy and the way the game is played in Serie A. Because I still remember the names like Mendieta, Keane, Rivaldo.

About the Gila case....I agree, but I still believe that he will soon start scoring and never stop. Because he has the tallent to do that. I think he will become one of the best strikers in the world.
The difference between him and for example Pasqual is that one is a striker and the other a defender. The point there is that strikers always have the most pressure in a game. They are judged by goals scored. They can do great, but if they don't score people judge them to be horrible. Defenders on the other hand can slide by with average performances and a lot of times will not be mentioned in the "bad players". That's a start to build on their performances and become better while not having that much pressure on them. Having to score in every game is certainly a big pressure as opposing to having to shut down a player, where you actually have the help of team mates to do so anyway.

Brasileiro · 09-10-2006, 16:39

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Well, of course a player is proven once he has done well in a top club...as you mentioned Roma, Juve, Inter. But then that would mean that we only have to buy players from top clubs, and that most of the time is not the easiest thing to do.Personaly, I agree with you......but if a player has talent and is doing well, I think it is worth gambling and bringing him in, expecially if the price is appealing.
After all........Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso were never expected to be the center of a Scudetto, CL, World Cup winning teams. We brought them in and it turned out fine. The point is that mentall toughness will be really really hard to judge. The "proven in Serie A" thing has nothing to do with mentall toughness but it gives you a PLUS on the fact that the player is used to life in Italy and the way the game is played in Serie A. Because I still remember the names like Mendieta, Keane, Rivaldo.

Maybe my last text was not clear...I agree w/ you that if the player is showing talent, it´s worth gambling and bringing him to the club. What I was saying is that to be "proven in serie A" in a small or or medium club, IMO, does not give an advantage above a player used to play in a big club in another country(w/ tradition in football). IMO, what really imports(besides the talent), are the physical and mental characteristics of the players...
Said that, I believe that some players just does not have the characteristics for to play in a style of football(Serie A, EPL...), and it was the case of a old Rivaldo. But I remeber when Kaká was brought of Brazil, and people are saying that we need to loan him to gain experience in another club. The guy was the rookie of the year, and a year later, the MVP of Brazilian Championship, playing a big club like Sao Paulo(carrying a lot of pression). Beyond that, Kaká had all the tools( physically and mentally) to be sucefull in european football...and just because Kaká wasn´t proven in Serie A, so many guys preferred another players(just for to be proven in serie A). My point is, if we need to gamble(and every club needs), we need to gamble in the best talent avaliable, independently of serie A experience. But always taking into account if the player has the tools(physically and mentally) to play in determined style of game...

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About the Gila case....I agree, but I still believe that he will soon start scoring and never stop. Because he has the tallent to do that. I think he will become one of the best strikers in the world. The difference between him and for example Pasqual is that one is a striker and the other a defender. The point there is that strikers always have the most pressure in a game. They are judged by goals scored. They can do great, but if they don't score people judge them to be horrible. Defenders on the other hand can slide by with average performances and a lot of times will not be mentioned in the "bad players". That's a start to build on their performances and become better while not having that much pressure on them. Having to score in every game is certainly a big pressure as opposing to having to shut down a player, where you actually have the help of team mates to do so anyway

I agree...and as I said, I want Gilla or L. Fabiano here...and I still believe that Gilla will recovery his confidence...and IMO, a second striker to be pair w/ him, will help a lot...

Mystik · 09-10-2006, 17:42

He needs one desperately.. and I'm really for Cassano because him being Italian means he'll fit in more quickly as he knows the language.. and he and Gila will then have better teamwork. They can talk more on the pitch.. etc.

ARIO · 09-10-2006, 22:37

This teenage sensation is really a revelation in River. Anyone following the argentinian league???
he's only 18 btw.......

raptor · 10-10-2006, 03:34

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Originally Posted by Mystik

He needs one desperately.. and I'm really for Cassano because him being Italian means he'll fit in more quickly as he knows the language.. and he and Gila will then have better teamwork. They can talk more on the pitch.. etc.

if the first choise strikers in real will be ronaldo and nistelroy,and second choice are raul and robinho,than the arival of cassano is posible!

QUESTION:in today's gazzetta dello sport have something about ronaldinho and milan,and above this-something about grosso and milan??????
did anyone read this paper????what it says????

GilAttack [11] · 10-10-2006, 15:13

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This teenage sensation is really a revelation in River. Anyone following the argentinian league???
he's only 18 btw.......

Interesting prospect but overrated if they are going to label him the new Sheva.
He has french passport, and has yet to decide whether he wants to play for France or Argentina.
MSI already is involved with him.

Palacio, who is better, is said to be close to Barcelona (Barca has an option apparently).

raptor · 10-10-2006, 15:16

hey this guy Gonzalo Higuaín is french citizen too.he will play for france not for argentina.than he is not out of EU!berlusconi must bring him in milan,not ronaldinho!

acmilanone · 10-10-2006, 15:27

Guys, it may seem out of topic. but i don't know where else to put this news. Kaka scored again for Brazil against Ecuador. And this time is the winning goal!!!!!!!

GilAttack [11] · 10-10-2006, 15:41

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hey this guy Gonzalo Higuaín is french citizen too.he will play for france not for argentina.than he is not out of EU!berlusconi must bring him in milan,not ronaldinho!

Higuain via his agent stated that wants to play for Argentina.

GilAttack [11] · 10-10-2006, 15:53

I think Milan management should consider Higuain's teammate, Fernando Belluschi, a very complete midfielder. He could be our new Seedorf.

hitmannq8 · 10-10-2006, 20:52

Gourcuff is our new Seedorf.

raptor · 11-10-2006, 03:14

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Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Gourcuff is our new Seedorf.

that's right!!!but i think we must sign gonsalo!!!milan must get this talent!

raptor · 11-10-2006, 03:18

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Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Gourcuff is our new Seedorf.

that's right!!!but i think we must sign gonzalo!!!milan must get this talent!he is only 18-19 years.can be modified! with littel defencive function for the rigth.like pirlo was modified from anceloti!
future milan:

-------------pirlo
higuain------------gourcuff
---------kaka

-----------------ronaldinho
--------oliveira
-------(examle)

rosoneri_11 · 11-10-2006, 03:37

How about rafael Sobis?We were so close to get him but silvio didn't like him!He is very talented!
I think Huntelaar and Sobis are the new sheva!

Mystik · 11-10-2006, 06:11

Enough with the 'new sheva' talk. Also.. doesn't Higuain strike for Riverplate? What would he be doing all the way back there. That midfield is also too weak physically.

09-10-2006, 13:25	#1201
nefremo Registered User Join Date: 03 2001 Location: USA; Macedonia Fave Players: All Milan players!	Well, of course a player is proven once he has done well in a top club...as you mentioned Roma, Juve, Inter. But then that would mean that we only have to buy players from top clubs, and that most of the time is not the easiest thing to do. Personaly, I agree with you......but if a player has talent and is doing well, I think it is worth gambling and bringing him in, expecially if the price is appealing. After all........Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso were never expected to be the center of a Scudetto, CL, World Cup winning teams. We brought them in and it turned out fine. The point is that mentall toughness will be really really hard to judge. The "proven in Serie A" thing has nothing to do with mentall toughness but it gives you a PLUS on the fact that the player is used to life in Italy and the way the game is played in Serie A. Because I still remember the names like Mendieta, Keane, Rivaldo. About the Gila case....I agree, but I still believe that he will soon start scoring and never stop. Because he has the tallent to do that. I think he will become one of the best strikers in the world. The difference between him and for example Pasqual is that one is a striker and the other a defender. The point there is that strikers always have the most pressure in a game. They are judged by goals scored. They can do great, but if they don't score people judge them to be horrible. Defenders on the other hand can slide by with average performances and a lot of times will not be mentioned in the "bad players". That's a start to build on their performances and become better while not having that much pressure on them. Having to score in every game is certainly a big pressure as opposing to having to shut down a player, where you actually have the help of team mates to do so anyway. __________________ MILAN FOREVER! Last edited by nefremo; 09-10-2006 at 13:31.

09-10-2006, 22:37	#1204
ARIO Registered User Join Date: 06 2000 Location: Indonesia Fave Players: The divine swan himself : MARCO VAN BASTEN!!!!	How good is Gonzalo Higuain? This teenage sensation is really a revelation in River. Anyone following the argentinian league??? he's only 18 btw....... __________________ A Milan con Affetto..... F O R Z A M I L A N - 2011/2012MARCHETTI;Abate,DAVID LUIZ,ASTORI,Vila;Thiago Silva;Flamini,Pirlo;Robinho;Pato,Ibrahimovic

09-10-2006, 17:42	#1203
Mystik Registered User Join Date: 05 2006 Location: Caribbean Fave Players: Kaka, Pato, Messi, Iniesta, Nesta, Gourcuff, Cesc	He needs one desperately.. and I'm really for Cassano because him being Italian means he'll fit in more quickly as he knows the language.. and he and Gila will then have better teamwork. They can talk more on the pitch.. etc.

10-10-2006, 15:16	#1207
raptor Registered User Join Date: 10 2006 Location: bulgaria Fave Players: all milanisti and some others	hey this guy Gonzalo Higuaín is french citizen too.he will play for france not for argentina.than he is not out of EU!berlusconi must bring him in milan,not ronaldinho!

10-10-2006, 15:27	#1208
acmilanone Registered User Join Date: 06 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Fave Players: All AC Milan Players	Guys, it may seem out of topic. but i don't know where else to put this news. Kaka scored again for Brazil against Ecuador. And this time is the winning goal!!!!!!!

10-10-2006, 15:53	#1210
GilAttack [11] Registered User Join Date: 08 2005 Location: San Siro Fave Players: Tevez Kaka Messi C.Ronaldo Gattuso	I think Milan management should consider Higuain's teammate, Fernando Belluschi, a very complete midfielder. He could be our new Seedorf.

10-10-2006, 20:52	#1211
hitmannq8 Registered User Join Date: 10 2004 Location: Montreal, Kuwait Fave Players: Kaka, Nesta, Rui Costa, Pato, Robinho	Gourcuff is our new Seedorf.

11-10-2006, 03:37	#1214
rosoneri_11 Registered User Join Date: 01 2006 Location: I'm behind you! Fave Players: P.Maldini,Gattuso,Van Basten	How about rafael Sobis?We were so close to get him but silvio didn't like him!He is very talented! I think Huntelaar and Sobis are the new sheva!

11-10-2006, 06:11	#1215
Mystik Registered User Join Date: 05 2006 Location: Caribbean Fave Players: Kaka, Pato, Messi, Iniesta, Nesta, Gourcuff, Cesc	Enough with the 'new sheva' talk. Also.. doesn't Higuain strike for Riverplate? What would he be doing all the way back there. That midfield is also too weak physically.

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