Ancelotti must go......

Ok Nadir, Let's just assume that Carlo did not get fired and reached to the semi final of Champions League:

MEDIA: ANOTHER NIGHTMARE IN NOU CAMP

'' Everything seemed to be in its right place until 60th minute. Milan won 3-1 first match in Milano and scored a goal in 35th minute in the second leg. But after Barcelona's 4 goals, made fans remember Deportivo, PSV and Liverpool matches.''

ACMILAN.COM
Galliani: ''I think semi final is not a bad result. You know there is always next se.... errr... we will not sack anybody.''

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

Ok Nadir, Let's just assume that Carlo did not get fired and reached to the semi final of Champions League:

MEDIA: ANOTHER NIGHTMARE IN NOU CAMP

'' Everything seemed to be in its right place until 60th minute. Milan won 3-1 first match in Milano and scored a goal in 35th minute in the second leg. But after Barcelona's 4 goals, made fans remember Deportivo, PSV and Liverpool matches.''

ACMILAN.COM
Galliani: ''I think semi final is not a bad result. You know there is always next se.... errr... we will not sack anybody.''

what you said is pure speculation. Reality is that TEAMS LOSE GAMES. You cannot fire a coach because of a bad game in one or two games in a season. But what I said HAS HAPPENED TO MILAN BEFORE. remember Terim? Tabarez?

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

Ok Nadir, Let's just assume that Carlo did not get fired and reached to the semi final of Champions League:

MEDIA: ANOTHER NIGHTMARE IN NOU CAMP

'' Everything seemed to be in its right place until 60th minute. Milan won 3-1 first match in Milano and scored a goal in 35th minute in the second leg. But after Barcelona's 4 goals, made fans remember Deportivo, PSV and Liverpool matches.''

ACMILAN.COM
Galliani: ''I think semi final is not a bad result. You know there is always next se.... errr... we will not sack anybody.''

So the moral of this FICTICIOUS story is - sack the coach if we don't reach the CL final each and every year? In that case, I am affraid, we would virtually run out of coach substitutes in a bout 3-4 seasons.
You treat going to the CL final as if it is something that happens just like that whenever the fans happen to have whim for it. Don't forget that many great teams, if not most of them, reach a CL final once in every 10 years or so, and we should feel blessed for being one of the few sides who feel the CL as their home competition. Stop treating it as a comodity.

1) A coach can achieve some good things with such a great squad=Milan
2) A coach cannot be succesful even he has the greatest squad=Real Madrid
3) A coach can achieve the best things with an ordinary squad compared to Giant teams= Liverpool, Porto.

I think you finally get an idea. Because when Ancelotti showed the best performance in 2003, our team was not so good. But unfortunately, we are getting worse day by day, although our squad is much better than ever.

And please do not forget that no idea is absolute. You do believe, to sack Ancelotti will cause bad results in the future. And i do believe, nothing can be worse than this, with this great squad.

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

And please do not forget that no idea is absolute. You do believe, to sack Ancelotti will cause bad results in the future. And i do believe, nothing can be worse than this, with this great squad.

Great, what I can say more ????

Originally Posted by Grenoli_Trio

1) A coach can achieve some good things with such a great squad=Milan
2) A coach cannot be succesful even he has the greatest squad=Real Madrid
3) A coach can achieve the best things with an ordinary squad compared to Giant teams= Liverpool, Porto.

I think you finally get an idea. Because when Ancelotti showed the best performance in 2003, our team was not so good. But unfortunately, we are getting worse day by day, although our squad is much better than ever.

I totally agree. Plus the major thing is that he doesnt bring major drama or any soap opera polemics into the organization. The players really respect this guy. He is neither lax or a control egotistical freak like Lippi, Capello, and Sacchi.

Originally Posted by Kui

I totally agree. Plus the major thing is that he doesnt bring major drama or any soap opera polemics into the organization. The players really respect this guy. He is neither lax or a control egotistical freak like Lippi, Capello, and Sacchi.

....and Trappatoni for sure !

Excuse me? Lippi and Capello are surely equally respectable as Ancelotti! None are lax or "egotistical control freak", and BOTH coaches have commanded GREAT respect from players. Its really unfair for you to compare such with Lippi and Capello.

Originally Posted by sehnsucht79

Excuse me? Lippi and Capello are surely equally respectable as Ancelotti! None are lax or "egotistical control freak", and BOTH coaches have commanded GREAT respect from players. Its really unfair for you to compare such with Lippi and Capello.

I didnt say they were not great. I am correct to say that they are control freaks and cant deal with players as effectively as Carlo has. Before Fabio left AC MILAN he made a very discerditing comment about Maldini and his ability to lead the team as captain causing un-neccesary strain in their professional relationship. With Lippi well we know the soap opera that went on with him and Del Piero as well as your boy toy Pippo. Yeah they command respect but not in the way of ease that Coach Carlito has.

this thread is not even worth my attention anymore. no offence to your opinions but replaciing ancelotti now is the most ridiculous thing i have heard. it will SURELY bring us back to the Terim/Tabarez/cesare era unless we get a real motivator and disciplinarian.

Ancelotti won everything in the 1st 2 seasons.
In 2002/03 we won the CL but we where out from the Serie A race in March
2003/04 we won the Serie A with an incredible amount of points but had the Riazor nightmare
This season we where the only European team to fight for league and CL till the end. IMO the only mistakes by Ancelotti is that he doesn't make full use of the squad. For example vs juve, Pirlo and Seedorf where out of form, despite that he played them leaving on form players as Ambro Rui and Dhorasso out.
Let's see what happens next year, if we don't win, then I'll be the 1st to change my openion on him.

Look at this statement from Carlo...
" For the rest, the lessons from Istanbul will be useful and we will be calmer and more aware when we take the lead. "

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How can someone who lost soooo many games after he had serious advantege say something like that ( depor-milan, juve-man utd, milan-l'pool.....). So now he realised he can lears something!!! This really sucks, really carlo....
Didnt he learned something already!!!??

Hopefully some of the tension has eased now that some time has passed since the Insanity in Istanbul, and after reading the posts in this thread, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents to this debate. (But only 2 cents, and not a dime more)

While I, along with Debs, and several others here in MM forums, have had our doubts about Carlo, from the very first day of his appointment, I cannot honestly advocate his sacking as a result of the aforementioned 6 or 7 minutes of insanity.

What I would sack him for is for his consistency....that is in losing, or coming second.

However, let me hasten to add that he does deserve one more try for the golden apple, and believe me, if we don’t win some silverware next season, then I would be leading the masses, with torch and pitchfork in hand to lynch Carlo "Ance-lose-a-lotti" as I used to refer to him.

While I wont be singing his praises if he does win something, I can confess to wishing his tenure in Milan to be as abbreviated as possible, but only if a suitable replacement can be found which will result in a return to the dominant Milan that quite honestly, I prefer seeing, to the "how big of a lead can you throw away" Milan that seems to be in vogue under Carlo’s tenure.

Blaming Carlo for the debacle in Istanbul, and for whimpering into second place in the Serie A is somewhat shortsighted however, as he was not on the pitch, and the changes he made should have, by all accounts resulted in a victory, which was obviously destined to be Liverpools. Sheva´s miss from an inch perfect cross from Serghino should have scored, and JDT should also have put away his chance.

As I have posted before, the moment I saw JDT coming on the pitch, I knew the game was lost. He is not a big game player, but I do concede that Carlo was in a better position to determine which forward he wanted coming off the bench, and because JDT can also tackle and pass, he opted for him over Pippo.

Add to that the expanded Serie A, and any team, and I do mean any team, would have found it next to impossible to achieve both scudetto and UCL trophy.

This is all water under the bridge, and while I still have little faith in Carletto, I honestly think that he is the best of a bad situation for us at present. Hindsight is 20 20….lets all remember that.

What I find intolerable is Berlu’s insistence on playing 2 forwards all the time, when the obvious change to make when you are leading is to put in a defensive midfielder (oh how I rue Ambro’s absence now)…switching to the Xmas tree vs Liverpool would IMO have given us a much different result.

Again, giving him another opportunity, with a somewhat refreshed squad, seems the best of a bad situation, with the caveat that he win something this season…no nearly nothing. Win, or leave.

Is this too much pressure? I don’t think so…it is the nature of the beast. It is not like its his first season at the helm, and if the helmsman keeps running the ship aground, then we need a new helmsman, simple as that.

To be fair however, this is his first totally disappointing season, and as we are human, we tend to make mistakes, or have things turn out contrary to what we desire. Changing coaches now would be ludicrous, and shortsighted in the extreme.

A lot can and will happen in a season, and honestly, though I differ with him time and time again, in terms of selection and tactics, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for one more season.

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Hopefully some of the tension has eased now that some time has passed since the Insanity in Istanbul, and after reading the posts in this thread, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents to this debate. (But only 2 cents, and not a dime more)

While I, along with Debs, and several others here in MM forums, have had our doubts about Carlo, from the very first day of his appointment, I cannot honestly advocate his sacking as a result of the aforementioned 6 or 7 minutes of insanity.

What I would sack him for is for his consistency....that is in losing, or coming second.

However, let me hasten to add that he does deserve one more try for the golden apple, and believe me, if we don’t win some silverware next season, then I would be leading the masses, with torch and pitchfork in hand to lynch Carlo "Ance-lose-a-lotti" as I used to refer to him.

While I wont be singing his praises if he does win something, I can confess to wishing his tenure in Milan to be as abbreviated as possible, but only if a suitable replacement can be found which will result in a return to the dominant Milan that quite honestly, I prefer seeing, to the "how big of a lead can you throw away" Milan that seems to be in vogue under Carlo’s tenure.

Blaming Carlo for the debacle in Istanbul, and for whimpering into second place in the Serie A is somewhat shortsighted however, as he was not on the pitch, and the changes he made should have, by all accounts resulted in a victory, which was obviously destined to be Liverpools. Sheva´s miss from an inch perfect cross from Serghino should have scored, and JDT should also have put away his chance.

As I have posted before, the moment I saw JDT coming on the pitch, I knew the game was lost. He is not a big game player, but I do concede that Carlo was in a better position to determine which forward he wanted coming off the bench, and because JDT can also tackle and pass, he opted for him over Pippo.

Add to that the expanded Serie A, and any team, and I do mean any team, would have found it next to impossible to achieve both scudetto and UCL trophy.

This is all water under the bridge, and while I still have little faith in Carletto, I honestly think that he is the best of a bad situation for us at present. Hindsight is 20 20….lets all remember that.

What I find intolerable is Berlu’s insistence on playing 2 forwards all the time, when the obvious change to make when you are leading is to put in a defensive midfielder (oh how I rue Ambro’s absence now)…switching to the Xmas tree vs Liverpool would IMO have given us a much different result.

Again, giving him another opportunity, with a somewhat refreshed squad, seems the best of a bad situation, with the caveat that he win something this season…no nearly nothing. Win, or leave.

Is this too much pressure? I don’t think so…it is the nature of the beast. It is not like its his first season at the helm, and if the helmsman keeps running the ship aground, then we need a new helmsman, simple as that.

To be fair however, this is his first totally disappointing season, and as we are human, we tend to make mistakes, or have things turn out contrary to what we desire. Changing coaches now would be ludicrous, and shortsighted in the extreme.

A lot can and will happen in a season, and honestly, though I differ with him time and time again, in terms of selection and tactics, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for one more season.

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