Serie A

I could have swore it was an offside but it looks like it wasn't.
If the ball is passed to the player who was previously in offside position by an opponent, it counts as a whole new action and it's not offside. If someone from Juve passed the ball to Trez and he wasn't in offside then but was offside at the first pass, then it would have been offside ( kinda like Siena-Milan. If Kaladze touched the ball it wouldn't have been offside, but since he didn't touch it the ref had to call offside and disallow Maccarone's goal)

So, Mrki, i'm so sorry.... but it was a good call
I'm watching RAI DUE show tonight. Those experts will know for sure


Edit: But i have to add that i completely disagree with this rule. Trezeguet benifits from being offside and it's not right nor fair.

But who cares. 93rd minute winner in the derby. We're still the kings when concentration and stability are concerned.
The team plays crap, though

no offside. Juve got their 3 points fair.

Originally Posted by RobyKikic

no offside. Juve got their 3 points fair.

The ref expert on RAI DUE confirmed it was a regular goal. According to him this is not offside because Trez is absolutely not involved in the game until the Torino defender passed the ball to him.
Torino's president claimed it was an offside but this ref expert guy together with Capello and few others shut his mouth

The ref explained how this is a complex rule and that those who understand the rule will all agree that this was a regular goal.
Torino's president wasn't convinced though but admitted that the experts know more than he does about offside rules.

Originally Posted by mrki

It was an offside, come on...!!! what the hell is wrong with this league???!!! **** this, im going to play guitar to end this football day. Kala didnt play with his hand also.

A Torino player got the last touch so it wasn't offside.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I could have swore it was an offside but it looks like it wasn't.
If the ball is passed to the player who was previously in offside position by an opponent, it counts as a whole new action and it's not offside. If someone from Juve passed the ball to Trez and he wasn't in offside then but was offside at the first pass, then it would have been offside ( kinda like Siena-Milan. If Kaladze touched the ball it wouldn't have been offside, but since he didn't touch it the ref had to call offside and disallow Maccarone's goal)

So, Mrki, i'm so sorry.... but it was a good call
I'm watching RAI DUE show tonight. Those experts will know for sure


Edit: But i have to add that i completely disagree with this rule. Trezeguet benifits from being offside and it's not right nor fair.

But who cares. 93rd minute winner in the derby. We're still the kings when concentration and stability are concerned.
The team plays crap, though

Wow I never knew that..I guess one learns something new every day ay?

Originally Posted by Mystik

Wow I never knew that..I guess one learns something new every day ay?

Channel4 also agree it was a regular goal, although they don't explain it well :
"A misplaced back-header from Dellafiore looped into the air and Trez hit a fantastic volley from the edge of the area to give Juventus the lead! He was offside on the first pass, but as the eventual assist came from a Toro defender, he was kept in play."

Looks like everytime an opponent passes the ball to the guy who was offside, the offside rule doesn't count and game goes on.
That's why there was misunderstanding for Maccarone's goal vs Milan. If Kaladze touched the ball it would have been a regular goal even though Maccarone was in offside at first. But since Kala didn't touch that ball, the ref made a mistake for allowing that goal.

And tonight the defender didn't just touch the ball. He tried to clear it but instead of heading it forwards he headed it backwards to Trez which counts as a pass. Pass by an opponent cannot be offside even if Trez was offside when Almiron passed the ball.

Ok then, but the rule is still wrong as those players that stay in "passive" offside still influence the opsitioning of the defnders and GK.

But 3 points go to Juve and we are crap.

Originally Posted by mrki

But 3 points go to Juve and we are crap.

We're crap also.
Except for the match against Reggina and the last 20 minutes against Livorno, Juve were awful.
Some huge lack, huge motivation and unhuman efforts are keeping Juve at the top after 6 rounds.
But there is a big difference in quality between Milan and Juve so sooner or later the quality will win over motivation, it just has to. This is a long championship, it's not a 6 match tournament where a team can win only because of good tactics and big motivation ( Greece 2004). In long championships, the quality always wins.
Although, it may be too late for Milan. You'll gain more points than Juve at the end, but it will mean nothing to you if one of Inter/Roma wins the scudetto.

Unfortunately I dont see how Inter can be stoped. Even now they are missing Maicon, Materazzi, Vieira and Adriano is out of shape... Ibra is playing like a madman and their play is suited just for serie a. Like Juve had with Capello.

goal was clear... juve was/is crap...

those 2 facts combined with serieA top spot are freakin unbelievable!

Originally Posted by peters

goal was clear... juve was/is crap...

those 2 facts combined with serieA top spot are freakin unbelievable!

It was so easy back in Moggi days, don't you think ?
Moggi fixing the matches with the refs would have been a perfect explaination why is Juve above Milan in the standings.

It's so hard to find an excuse now





P.S : Like i said Peters , there isn't a team more motivated than Juventus. They play with 101%.
Juve are light years away from the form and the quality they had in Lippi's or Capello's time but they are still better than 80% of serie A teams. And when you have a better team than Torino, Parma, Livorno, Genoa etc and when you are much more motivated to get the win than they are, it's not a surprise when Juve's beating these teams.
But the difference in quality will be shown as the league goes on and Juve will have to play against Inter, Milan, Fiorentina, Roma.
Things will come at the right place sooner or later and Juve will take it's rightful place for this year ( 4th or 5th) .
These wins against the small clubs are important only for winning the 4th place.

back in moggi days juve won easily early in the season and was helped out big time near the end... so i hope now its gonna be slightly different, merely good for win in beggining but sinking near the end. Thats how it should be

Round 6 , highlights :

Roma-Inter 1:4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVxIs0o6ir8

Livorno-Fiorentina 0:3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9oMPk8xOIc

Reggina-Lazio 1:1 ( goal of the week by Kolarov. Amazing goal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWTYm741qAs

Cagliari-Siena 1:0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMngtEG4L3k

Udinese-Parma 2:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rsnZYgTDpA

Milan-Catania 1:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sr0NX3MHIs

Empoli-Palermo 3:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWLBw4PjldM

Sampdoria-Atalanta 3:0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A104_xZAzU

Napoli-Genoa 1:2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN2IpkBeqIQ

Torino-Juve 0:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ANOEWy-Ds

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Player of the week : Santana (Fiorentina) . Perfect match. Goal assists, goal scored, lots of chances created for the others.
Goal of the week: Aleksandar Kolarov (Lazio)
Assist of the week: There weren't some nice assists, so the winner is Dellafiore from Torino, for the perfect assist to Trez
Clown of the week : Ludovic Giuly
Team of the week : Inter

It is time for AC Milan to win points on Inter so we don't drop too far behind our city rivals. If we continue losing points to them it will be very difficult for us to recover the gap to Inter and Roma for that matter too.

I predict a draw with few goals against Lazio but my heart wants a victory to the Milan family.

Forza Milan!

Inter 2 - 1 Napoli.

20' J. Cruz (Inter)
36' J. Cruz (Inter)
84' R.C. Sosa (Napoli)