All open options!

Kui · 03-06-2005, 06:52

I had to open this thread so that this question doesnt get lost in the mad postings of all other tranfer threads in this forum, especially when we consider the Gilardino thread.
Right now the speculation is getting mad and out of control with everyone giving their input to who's in and who's out. It is getting me dizzy and I think no one has really touched on a few important points. I tend to believe that most if not all transfer speculations are for the most part full of inaccuracies and intellectual dishonesty nothing short of pure guessing.
What troubles me is that we are asking some of our players to be sold that are currently on the Milan rosters so to make up a shortfall of $10 Millions of Gila's asking price. Before even speculating on this, can anyone here at least give us a better sense of Milan's total player ownership be it CURRENT PLAYERS ON LOAN, half or joint ownerships and end of contract players so that we can all have a better idea as to our options????? Otherwise this psycho-babble going on in this forum is nothing but hot-air. I'm not trying to offend anyone but I do not think people have "all points considered". This way we at least have an some kind of a full account of all assets to be considered for sale into the calciomercato.
So someone please with the CORRECT profile to knowing this please help out this forum. You'll be doing all of us at MM a great PUBLIC SERVICE. This way the forum doesnt look like a crazy shopping spree with people wanting stuff without knowing what the hell is in their wallet or any equity/assets from their property to purchase it.

FORZA MILAN!

Many Thnaks!

savicevic · 03-06-2005, 07:03

the info you are requesting is very hard to come by and i don't see its use, you are over-reacting, i think. what i have is the contracts deposited by Ac Milan in the last transfer market (2004):

Surname/Name/Acquiring Club/Selling Club/Type of Contract/Date of deposit

AMATO Andrea MILAN AOSTA SARRE DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004
ANTONELLI LUCA MILAN MONZA TEMPORANEO 31/08/2004
BLOUDEK Sandro MILAN NK MARIBOR DEFINITIVO 24/08/2004
COSNER Andrea MILAN FELTRESEPREALPI DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004
CRESPO Hernan Jorge MILAN CHELSEA TEMPORANEO 16/07/2004
ESAJAS Harvey Delano MILAN ZAMORA DEFINITIVO 31/05/2004
DHORASOO Vikash MILAN OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS DEFINITIVO 13/04/2004
FAVARETTO Eros MILAN CONEGLIANO DEFINITIVO 20/08/2004
GHEZZI Marco MILAN PRO SESTO DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004
GIMONA Niccolò MILAN MONFALCONE TEMPORANEO 30/08/2004
GRITTI Andrea MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
OGADRI Gary MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
PANCARO Giuseppe MILAN LAZIO TEMPORANEO 11/08/2004
PANIGADA Stefano MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
REBOLINI Eros MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
RIBOLDI Stefano Eusebio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
SCARDAMAGLIA Benito MILAN ANCONA DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004
SPATARO Lorenzo MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
STAM Jaap MILAN LAZIO DEFINITIVO 17/05/2004
VIVARINI Flavio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004

i have no info on contract duration of players acquired before 2004 and of players on loan.

kris · 03-06-2005, 07:07

ON loan:
Massimo donati - Messina
Dall bona - Lecce
Kutosov - Sampdoria
Donadel - Fiorentina (possible half-owned now?)
Budel - Parma

That's the ones in serie A, we have numerous of players in lower divisions, like:

Abate and Pozzi in Napoli.

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:08

I'm looking for players that are still on loan or have joint owneship that maybe we can ask clubs to buy especially if they are not even considered long term investments. I can only think of Borriello at this time but I know we have much more players in our assets that are currently not in our current rosters. No I'm not over-reacting, I'm actually am trying to bring sense and sure footing into people minds so that they at least knwo what the hell they are talking about. Thanks for your input. This list does help, but I was certain there was more to this. You have to at least agree that all this talk in the other forum is getting out of hand.

savicevic · 03-06-2005, 07:10

the following is a list of players we had to auction for in last year's transfer market. in Italian they're called Buste:

PLayer/ Holding club/ Participating club/ Successfully bidding club
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C.
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C.
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C.
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. GENOA CRICKET AND F.C.
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.

the players in bold are the ones we successfully auctioned for. the others are no longer Milan's.

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris

ON loan:
Massimo donati - Messina
Dall bona - Lecce
Kutosov - Sampdoria
Donadel - Fiorentina (possible half-owned now?)
Budel - Parma

That's the ones in serie A, we have numerous of players in lower divisions, like:

Abate and Pozzi in Napoli.

Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by savicevic

the following is a list of players we had to auction for in last year's transfer market. in Italian they're called Buste:

PLayer/ Holding club/ Participating club/ Successfully bidding club
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C.
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C.
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C.
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. GENOA CRICKET AND F.C.
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.

the players in bold are the ones we successfully auctioned for. the others are no longer Milan's.

My goodness! All to Parma, and now they are extorting us for Gila.

savicevic · 03-06-2005, 07:21

the following is a list of players owned in half. Decision can be:

RINNOVO = holding club keeps him for another year
BUSTE = auction - i gave the results in the previous pst
N.D. = non depositato - no one deposits an offer so player is a free agent

Player/Holding club/Participating Club/Decision/ Deposit Date

ANTONINI LUCA U.C. SAMPDORIA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 18/06/2004
BAU EDER U.S. TRIESTINA CALCIO MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
BRUNELLI SIMONE F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
CECCARELLI LUCA F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 22/06/2004
CHIANELLO ROSARIO A.C. PRO SESTO MILAN A.C. N.D.
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. BUSTE
DAL BELLO MATTIA A.C. PRATO MILAN A.C. N.D.
DEINITE MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
FERRARO SALVATORE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE
FOGGIA PASQUALE EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
GASPARETTO MIRKO EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
GIORDANO MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
KALU IKECHUKWU MILAN A.C. U.C. SAMPDORIA RINNOVO 15/06/2004
LIVI ALESSANDRO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
MASSARO ROBERTO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
OLIVETTI MARTINO MILAN A.C. A.C. CHIEVO VERONA RINNOVO 23/06/2004
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
SAMMARCO PAOLO A.C. CHIEVO VERONA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
SARTI ALESSIO A.S. LUCCHESE LIBERTAS MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C. 23/06/2004
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
TICLI GIUSEPPE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
TOMA RONNY DIUK F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
VARALDI MARCO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004

kris · 03-06-2005, 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kui

Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???

You called me khris?!

Athletico Madrid owns us money, that is known. Only foreign loan was us loaning Crespo.

That any of all our loaned players are on the way to become a asset to use is hard to tell.

Wait, I finally remember one guy, Leandro DePetris, a "new maradona" that we signed as a 12/13 year old, he is 15/16 now and he is in River Plate, from what I heard he is seen as a super talent and we apparently have loaned him out. a number 10 as far as I know.

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:27

Ok. Thanks Savicevic. This helps and your knowledge of this is spooky yet admirable.
Ok Kutuzov... sell?? Borriello ... sell??? Dalla Bona... sell??? Do we not partially own these guys??? Surely we can squeeze these clubs that have them at least $10 million out of their a$$es.

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris

You called me khris?!

.

Huh????? Did I make a mistake or were you complimenting me???

savicevic · 03-06-2005, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kui

Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???

well if it was simply loans you wanted, it's not such a daunting task

Kris mentioned:

- Donadel (Samp/Fiorentina)
- Donati (Messina)
- Dalla Bona (Lecce)
- Kutozov (Sampdoria)
- Budel (Parma/Cagliari)
- Abate (Napoli Soccer)
- Pozzo (Napoli Soccer)

you mentioned:

- Boriello (Reggina)

i add:

- Graffiedi (Siena/Modena)
- Rabito

kris · 03-06-2005, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kui

Ok. Thanks Savicevic. This helps and your knowledge of this is spooky yet admirable.
Ok Kutuzov... sell?? Borriello ... sell??? Dalla Bona... sell??? Do we not partially own these guys??? Surely we can squeeze these clubs that have them at least $10 million out of their a$$es.

He most likely just copy a list from the official site or some fan site, should we call that knowledge?

sorry, we will only get 10$M for them all together, not individually. Kutusov and Dalla Bona have done well this season, but not well enough for someone to splash out. I would imagine that Sampdoria may want to keep Kutosov tough, since he did decently well and they don't have many talented strikers.

Kui · 03-06-2005, 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by savicevic

well if it was simply loans you wanted, it's not such a duanting task

Kris mentioned:

- Donadel (Samp/Fiorentina)
- Donati (Messina)
- Dalla Bona (Lecce)
- Kutozov (Sampdoria)
- Budel (Parma/Cagliari)
- Abate (Napoli Soccer)
- Pozzo (Napoli Soccer)

you mentioned:

- Boriello (Reggina)

i add:

- Graffiedi (Siena/Modena)
- Rabito

Now Savi... Are they marketable? Why can we not tell the other clubs to either buy them or take a hike??? Who out of these is a good long term investment to keep and who can we SELL??? Sell is the point I'm trying to know so that this shortfall of cash for somebody everyone wants can at least be met. Otherwise no sense talking about a player we want if we dont even have the $$$ to get him.

savicevic · 03-06-2005, 07:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris

He most likely just copy a list from the official site or some fan site, should we call that knowledge?

naturally, i'm no god. source is:

http://www.lega-calcio.it/ita/bacheca.shtml

03-06-2005, 06:52	#1
Kui Registered User Join Date: 05 1999 Location: I ke one a Kaku'ihewa Fave Players: Roby Donadoni, Chico Evani, Franco Baresi	All open options! I had to open this thread so that this question doesnt get lost in the mad postings of all other tranfer threads in this forum, especially when we consider the Gilardino thread. Right now the speculation is getting mad and out of control with everyone giving their input to who's in and who's out. It is getting me dizzy and I think no one has really touched on a few important points. I tend to believe that most if not all transfer speculations are for the most part full of inaccuracies and intellectual dishonesty nothing short of pure guessing. What troubles me is that we are asking some of our players to be sold that are currently on the Milan rosters so to make up a shortfall of $10 Millions of Gila's asking price. Before even speculating on this, can anyone here at least give us a better sense of Milan's total player ownership be it CURRENT PLAYERS ON LOAN, half or joint ownerships and end of contract players so that we can all have a better idea as to our options????? Otherwise this psycho-babble going on in this forum is nothing but hot-air. I'm not trying to offend anyone but I do not think people have "all points considered". This way we at least have an some kind of a full account of all assets to be considered for sale into the calciomercato. So someone please with the CORRECT profile to knowing this please help out this forum. You'll be doing all of us at MM a great PUBLIC SERVICE. This way the forum doesnt look like a crazy shopping spree with people wanting stuff without knowing what the hell is in their wallet or any equity/assets from their property to purchase it. FORZA MILAN! Many Thnaks! __________________ The sure provisions of my lord, Attend me to all my days. O may thine house be mine abode, And all my works be praise. There would I find a settled rest, Where other go and come; No more a stranger nor a guest, But like a child at home. My Shepherd will... KZION Radio

03-06-2005, 07:07	#3
kris Jedi Master Join Date: 06 1999 Location: Viking land Fave Players: Past, present and future Milan players	ON loan: Massimo donati - Messina Dall bona - Lecce Kutosov - Sampdoria Donadel - Fiorentina (possible half-owned now?) Budel - Parma That's the ones in serie A, we have numerous of players in lower divisions, like: Abate and Pozzi in Napoli. __________________ If you are woman, PM me.

03-06-2005, 07:08	#4
Kui Registered User Join Date: 05 1999 Location: I ke one a Kaku'ihewa Fave Players: Roby Donadoni, Chico Evani, Franco Baresi	I'm looking for players that are still on loan or have joint owneship that maybe we can ask clubs to buy especially if they are not even considered long term investments. I can only think of Borriello at this time but I know we have much more players in our assets that are currently not in our current rosters. No I'm not over-reacting, I'm actually am trying to bring sense and sure footing into people minds so that they at least knwo what the hell they are talking about. Thanks for your input. This list does help, but I was certain there was more to this. You have to at least agree that all this talk in the other forum is getting out of hand. __________________ The sure provisions of my lord, Attend me to all my days. O may thine house be mine abode, And all my works be praise. There would I find a settled rest, Where other go and come; No more a stranger nor a guest, But like a child at home. My Shepherd will... KZION Radio

03-06-2005, 07:27	#10
Kui Registered User Join Date: 05 1999 Location: I ke one a Kaku'ihewa Fave Players: Roby Donadoni, Chico Evani, Franco Baresi	Ok. Thanks Savicevic. This helps and your knowledge of this is spooky yet admirable. Ok Kutuzov... sell?? Borriello ... sell??? Dalla Bona... sell??? Do we not partially own these guys??? Surely we can squeeze these clubs that have them at least $10 million out of their a$$es. __________________ The sure provisions of my lord, Attend me to all my days. O may thine house be mine abode, And all my works be praise. There would I find a settled rest, Where other go and come; No more a stranger nor a guest, But like a child at home. My Shepherd will... KZION Radio

03-06-2005, 07:03	#2
savicevic Registered User Join Date: 04 2005 Location: Malta	the info you are requesting is very hard to come by and i don't see its use, you are over-reacting, i think. what i have is the contracts deposited by Ac Milan in the last transfer market (2004): Surname/Name/Acquiring Club/Selling Club/Type of Contract/Date of deposit AMATO Andrea MILAN AOSTA SARRE DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004 ANTONELLI LUCA MILAN MONZA TEMPORANEO 31/08/2004 BLOUDEK Sandro MILAN NK MARIBOR DEFINITIVO 24/08/2004 COSNER Andrea MILAN FELTRESEPREALPI DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004 CRESPO Hernan Jorge MILAN CHELSEA TEMPORANEO 16/07/2004 ESAJAS Harvey Delano MILAN ZAMORA DEFINITIVO 31/05/2004 DHORASOO Vikash MILAN OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS DEFINITIVO 13/04/2004 FAVARETTO Eros MILAN CONEGLIANO DEFINITIVO 20/08/2004 GHEZZI Marco MILAN PRO SESTO DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004 GIMONA Niccolò MILAN MONFALCONE TEMPORANEO 30/08/2004 GRITTI Andrea MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 OGADRI Gary MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 PANCARO Giuseppe MILAN LAZIO TEMPORANEO 11/08/2004 PANIGADA Stefano MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 REBOLINI Eros MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 RIBOLDI Stefano Eusebio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 SCARDAMAGLIA Benito MILAN ANCONA DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004 SPATARO Lorenzo MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 STAM Jaap MILAN LAZIO DEFINITIVO 17/05/2004 VIVARINI Flavio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004 i have no info on contract duration of players acquired before 2004 and of players on loan.

03-06-2005, 07:10	#5
savicevic Registered User Join Date: 04 2005 Location: Malta	the following is a list of players we had to auction for in last year's transfer market. in Italian they're called Buste: PLayer/ Holding club/ Participating club/ Successfully bidding club CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C. FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. the players in bold are the ones we successfully auctioned for. the others are no longer Milan's.

03-06-2005, 07:21	#8
savicevic Registered User Join Date: 04 2005 Location: Malta	the following is a list of players owned in half. Decision can be: RINNOVO = holding club keeps him for another year BUSTE = auction - i gave the results in the previous pst N.D. = non depositato - no one deposits an offer so player is a free agent Player/Holding club/Participating Club/Decision/ Deposit Date ANTONINI LUCA U.C. SAMPDORIA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 18/06/2004 BAU EDER U.S. TRIESTINA CALCIO MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 BRUNELLI SIMONE F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 CECCARELLI LUCA F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 22/06/2004 CHIANELLO ROSARIO A.C. PRO SESTO MILAN A.C. N.D. CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. BUSTE DAL BELLO MATTIA A.C. PRATO MILAN A.C. N.D. DEINITE MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE FERRARO SALVATORE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE FOGGIA PASQUALE EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 GASPARETTO MIRKO EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 GIORDANO MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 KALU IKECHUKWU MILAN A.C. U.C. SAMPDORIA RINNOVO 15/06/2004 LIVI ALESSANDRO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 MASSARO ROBERTO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 OLIVETTI MARTINO MILAN A.C. A.C. CHIEVO VERONA RINNOVO 23/06/2004 PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE SAMMARCO PAOLO A.C. CHIEVO VERONA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 SARTI ALESSIO A.S. LUCCHESE LIBERTAS MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C. 23/06/2004 STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE TICLI GIUSEPPE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 TOMA RONNY DIUK F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004 VARALDI MARCO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004