04-29-2014, 04:53 PM
(04-29-2014, 01:19 PM)nefremo Wrote: Dev, I'm not sure if that question is for me. I've never said that I don't think he is suitable for the job, so the question confused me.
I too have my doubts as I dot know what to think at this point. I really liked his ideas when he first came and I hope that he is not abandoning them. I'm hoping that the Milan we see now is only for the time being and that Seedorf will continue to work on his original ideas this summer....granted that he stays of course.
I'm not sure if Berlusconi is just delusional and in denial of this squad. I don't know if he expected for Seedorf to come and Milan to become a force again with these same players. I'll admit myself that I thought we have the players to at least fight for a top three....but I was really wrong. These players are not good enough nor motivated enough.
In any case....I don't think Berlusconi is in denial. I think there is something happening on a personal level between him, Seedorf, Galliani and Barbara. There is something beyond what we just see on the field.
Like I said though....I hope he stays and gets a proper transfer market with a proper summer preparation. Seedorf said it right....it would be idiotic and an insult to the managements intelligence if the get rid of him a couple motha after asking him to stop his playing career. These comments I think we're very well thought out by Clarence. He really called them out with that statement.
Ah, the question was for General mostly, after he questioned whether Seedorf was the man to lead us to titles. That said, as always I'm welcome to anyone answering my questions as I like to see different opinions.
About your opinion on Seedorf, there's very little I disagree on. I do like his ideas and philosophy and I do think his changed approach is to adapt to the limitations of the players and the pressures of getting results. He's mentioned publicly he's had to make changes to his ideal approach too, although I can't remember when he said it now.
I don't know what Berlu's thinking and I don't think anyone really does. It's not like he's saying anything for us to know what's going on in his head. I agree with you though, something is going on that we don't get to see and that's where to crux of the issue is.
(04-29-2014, 02:22 PM)General Wrote: I don't think he's suitable for the job for a few main reasons:
1. He needs more experience - kind of a broad criticism...
2. His 4-2-3-1 against teams where he clearly needs a 3 man midfield shows a deficiency in his ability to adapt. It's like allegri was defensively stubborn and seedorf is offensively stubborn.
3. He seems to be handling himself in a way that doesn't agree with executive management. Now if Galliani and berlu are leaving, then we have a completely different conversation to be had.. But in the context of B&G staying, I don't think they appreciate seedorf and that's a problem. He's gone already IMO.
4. He plays people out of position.... Honda on the wing one more time dorf??? Really?
I'm sure I could drum up more but.. It's not going 'swimmingly' with Clarence.
Fair points...
1. This was a given when we brought him on board. It was an insane idea to get a player to coach Milan straight away. People compared him to Sacchi and Capello, but even they got a little experience before being asked to take on the main coaching role.
2. I don't fully agree here in that I do think he's shown some ability to adapt. He hasn't so much changed the basic formation, but we press much deeper than we did when he first took charge, making us less vulnerable on the counter, and he's adapted to player limitations (i.e. Kaka playing much more like a forward thus having a physically less demanding role). We also play a much less physically demanding game than when he came, due to the poor levels of fitness in his side.
3. I don't disagree here, I think there are times when he's acted in poor taste as a coach, notably his regular jibes at Allegri, meeting with the ultras and his outspoken nature (e.g. saying we're going to make major changes in the summer when the management hasn't said anything).
That said, I think we need to be careful, as we don't know the reality of what's going on in the club and how much of what's reported is true. The press will often make up stories while I don't put it past Berlu and Galliani (two guys who know how to manipulate the media) to make Seedorf a scapegoat for their own failings. As nefremo said, something's going on at the club that we don't see. Obviously there are issues, but when we're winning 3-0 and Galliani looks like he wants to commit suicide, there's surely something fishy going on.
We also don't know what the problems are with the players, almost all of who have no right to demand anything of anyone as they've acted/performed unforgivably. For example, Montolivo, who is apparently the "leader" of the rebel group of players was unhappy because he didn't play a few times and was worried about his place in the Italy side (similar story for Abate). Fact is, if that's true then I have more issues about them placing personal interests ahead of the club/team when they're apparently the senior players in the squad.
4. Agree here (I was particularly annoyed at his selections post Napoli and Lazio). On the flip side, mostly just to play devil's advocate, we must surely respect his ability to have gotten certain individuals (e.g. Taarabt and Honda) to make sacrifices for the greater good of the team.