Summer mercato 2012

[Stitch]

i dont "take" the stuff i dont understand i'm not a religious person

[Ace]

I dont pay taxes also, my company does. As i said, I am pocketing 1000, while I cost my company 1700 (with 70% taxes).

All I'm trying to say is - taxes are calculated from the nett sum.

If Mexes is pocketing 4m, then either he costs Milan 6m, or the taxes in Italy are 100% (which would mean he costs us 8m).

Can't be both

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Taxes aren't calculated from the net. They are calculated from the gross sum which the employer pays. The gross sum is 8 mln, so in the contract it says Mexes gets 4. Milan pays the tax.

In Bosnia taxes are clearly calculated in a different way than Italy and most of Europe (or at least Sweden) and that is why there is some confusion in our calculations. Calculated according to this method you are actually paying 41% tax. The company is cashing out € 1700 but you never get to see the 700 which goes to tax.

I remember this was long discussed when Galliani first started talking about the unfair fiscal rules between Spain and Italy (25% vs 50% for the first 5 years for foreign players)

getting a little confused what is the "gross sum" then?? nett + what? how do you calculate it?

it's pretty much simple to be honest... let's say I work in Italy, I get paid 10,000 Euros per month... thats before taxes(gross sum).. now that I got paid I have to pay taxes(which my employer does automatically) which equals 50% of my salary... so at the end of the month I end up getting paid 5000 Euros
Mexes gets paid 8M, but Milan pay the taxes, so he ends up getting 4m...

[Gio-mania]

getting a little confused what is the "gross sum" then?? nett + what? how do you calculate it?

The gross sum is what the company/employer pays. You get the net by subtracting the tax, which in your case (Italian/EU calculation) would be 41% and for Mexes 50%.

Legal source: D.P.R. 22 dicembre 1986, n. 917 (IRPEF)

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Back to the Ibra-talk, it looks like his ego may save us after all (if him staying means we are safe). PSG have reportedly offered 9 mln for 4 years. He would want at least 12 mln. (He is currently getting 12 for 2 more years with us).

EDIT: maybe not only Ibra's ego, but Raiola's greed.

[Stitch]

its veeeeeery different...here, taxes are calculated based on your net pay, and you always negotiate your net pay with employer. gross is calculated from the net, while in italy net is calculated from gross.

ty everybody.

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Football News ‏@Football_Portal
BREAKING: According to reports in Italy, Zlatan Ibrahimovic has agreed personal terms with PSG & deal could be announced in next few hours.

[Hasan Rossonero]

We will at most spend 20 million euros of the money we get. The rest will be used to service debt.

Don't expect anything from this team or its owners next year.

It remains to be seen whether Silva is part of the deal. I am not entirely convinced yet.

[Maltese Charlie]

When Galliani had a blank checkbook to wave around, things were always easy and rosy. The bad economy may be the main culprit, but lack of ambition of course plays a big role. Galliani keeps talking about no Italian club can spend, while the defending Serie A champion that scum of a team already spent tons of cash on quality players. In my opinion, Berlusconi has lost the passion, and it is not helped as Galliani's incompetence. He is only good at lying and toying with the media, and giving out long and fat contracts to old champions. The craziest act was giving 5-year extension to 30+ aged players like Inzaghi, Gattuso, and Dida. In old Chinese proverb, we have a saying that one should start planning for the bad time even when currently living in a great one. Galliani should know that his way of running the club would not sustain and sooner or later, the owner would get annoyed and lose interest. He has undying passion but lacks such strategic planning, and he is tasting his own medicine now.

A funny way to see it, the problem seems to be not knowing how and when to let go. Galliani should let go of the old champions, and maybe Berlusconi should let go of the club, if he just doesn't want to spend anymore.

1. Galliani never had a blank cheque, and is considered one of the best negotiator and manager in Italy by most of the Italian experts of football.

2.If Berlusconi lost his passion or not, I don't know. Most probably only him can answer this question.

3. The 5 year extension contract to the 30+ players. Milan from the begining of Berlusconi's era introduced the "moderate wages plus big bonuses when the club targets are reached" system. In that particular year the bonus promised if winning the Champions league was the extension of contract.
You can agree or not with that promise, but the target was reached.

4. Galliani was the first manager in Italy that warned everyone about the spending of the Italian clubs and the loosing of power against other nations.

5. Milan are not Financially sick. They are the No 1 club in Italy which manufacture the most income, and their income is still increasing year after year. The problem is the economy of Italy, and Fininvest and all the companies and business under here umbrella are operating in Italy with all the difficulties in these very difficult times.

6.What makes you so sure that Foreign investors want to invest in Italian clubs???
The Italian clubs are not so attractive for foreign investors. They don't posses property (stadiums) like for example the english clubs.
And who wants to invest in a club who's running on 70 mils on the minus?

[xudong]

I am hopeful too that Silva would remain. In an ideal world where we didn't need to worry about money, we should keep Ibrahimovic too. Selling both would be no different from committing a suicide, and bring enormous pain and shame to this team and its fans.

[reza]

5. is pointless. We are not asking for big spending. Someone has to give me justification where Napoli can buy Vargas for 15 million Euro, for example, yes he is good but only 2 years in Chilean league.

[reza]

More examples all over, Inter buy a goalie when even some Milan fans prefer their existing goalie to our own.

The point is Milan playing poor even compared to other Italian teams proves it's a lie, to me it does any way.

[Hasan Rossonero]

When Galliani had a blank checkbook to wave around, things were always easy and rosy. The bad economy may be the main culprit, but lack of ambition of course plays a big role. Galliani keeps talking about no Italian club can spend, while the defending Serie A champion that scum of a team already spent tons of cash on quality players. In my opinion, Berlusconi has lost the passion, and it is not helped as Galliani's incompetence. He is only good at lying and toying with the media, and giving out long and fat contracts to old champions. The craziest act was giving 5-year extension to 30+ aged players like Inzaghi, Gattuso, and Dida. In old Chinese proverb, we have a saying that one should start planning for the bad time even when currently living in a great one. Galliani should know that his way of running the club would not sustain and sooner or later, the owner would get annoyed and lose interest. He has undying passion but lacks such strategic planning, and he is tasting his own medicine now.

A funny way to see it, the problem seems to be not knowing how and when to let go. Galliani should let go of the old champions, and maybe Berlusconi should let go of the club, if he just doesn't want to spend anymore.

6.What makes you so sure that Foreign investors want to invest in Italian clubs???
The Italian clubs are not so attractive for foreign investors. They don't posses property (stadiums) like for example the english clubs.
And who wants to invest in a club who's running on 70 mils on the minus?

Stadium is the big issue. The loss is not IMO. Any prospective owners would wipe that out, and, in that context, it still remains to be seen how stringent FFP will be. Surely this PSG and City spending completely violates all stipulations. Notice that United would not fall foul of FFP because of their debt--they make enough revenue to service it. City, however, make losses and make a paltry revenue by comparison; their money comes from a patron, which is exactly what FFP purports to disallow.

If this is all part of a plan to get my club back to a healthy state, then that's fine. Also, if that's the case then better to sell to PSG than Barcelona or City, who are genuine forces even now.

I love this club, and it breaks my heart to see all of this happening, but there is nothing I can do except wait and see. We're not the only ones who are struggling. United are as well--not as bad as we are, but they tried to generate money (by bonds) on the balance sheet of 2010/11, when they reached the Final of the CL. Their revenue will be much lower this past year, approx 54 million euros less, considering they were dumped out at the group stage. Their owners have lumbered the club with debt, debt that necessitates solid performances every year.

Anyway, let's remain hopeful that we do something to buy the San Siro. I believe there may be some movement in this regard, as Inter, according to many of their sensible fans, actually may start construction on their new stadium soon.

If we have to sell Ibra and Robinho to bring in Tevez and Destro, I am all for it.

I just think selling Silva is excessive. If we can't afford a salary of 7 million euros, then we will find it much more difficult to attract top players in the future. As it now stands, things are bleak.